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Post by HvghDuhh on Aug 1, 2022 15:58:46 GMT -5
Between Onewhisker and Mudclaw, the latter was the worse choice and Mudclaw is an arrogant prick who mostly rebelled because his ego was hurt. I can understand feeling sympathetic for him, but I'm boggled on how he has people defending him and how he was justified in launching a coup and attempting to murder innocent cats. This. And then people say that Mudclaw would have been a better leader. Onestar was by no means an amazing leader, and as a fan of Onestar I might be biased, but I think he's seriously misunderstood, and I hope the new Super Edition coming out about him confirms that. Mudclaw showed his true colors, and would have driven Windclan down an aggressive path. No idea how people say Mudclaw would have been a better leader.
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Post by HvghDuhh on Aug 1, 2022 15:59:35 GMT -5
Tigerstar II isn't that bad a leader or character. Though the editors could really stand to show their bias for a him a little less. Shadowstar's Life and Tigerheart's Shadow were enjoyable books. Finally someone who doesn’t think Tigerstar 2 is such a terrible character! Also someone who doesn’t hate Tigerheart’s Shadow, it honestly isn’t much worse than the other Super Editions (they all kind of all worship they’re main character). If anything it has a different setting, making the plot more unique and different from some of the other books. Completely agree.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 1, 2022 16:02:05 GMT -5
The first arc was a terrible arc with a boring storyline and generic characters. The only one I actually thought was interesting was Bluestar, and even then, it's only after Tigerclaw's betrayal gets revealed.
I don't think Dovewing is that bad.
Twigbranch and Nightheart are the most annoying protagonists.
SkyClan was always great.
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Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 1, 2022 16:18:06 GMT -5
Tigerstar II isn't that bad a leader or character. Though the editors could really stand to show their bias for a him a little less. Shadowstar's Life and Tigerheart's Shadow were enjoyable books. Finally someone who doesn’t think Tigerstar 2 is such a terrible character! Also someone who doesn’t hate Tigerheart’s Shadow, it honestly isn’t much worse than the other Super Editions (they all kind of all worship they’re main character). If anything it has a different setting, making the plot more unique and different from some of the other books. To be fair, having a different setting alone doesn't necessarily make a book interesting on its own. Like many things, it depends on how its executed and traveling books are generally pretty difficult to make interesting without them coming off as repetitive (HJ is a big example of this for me, being a largely boring SE imo, and this is coming from someone who loves the SkyClan books as well as GV, all of which have either traveling or a unique setting). As for the characters, not really? It'd be terrible writing otherwise. The problem with Tigerheart in his SE is that he can never be wrong, whereas the other SE protagonists actually get called out for their actions—be it directly or indirectly— if they do something wrong.
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Post by stupidflower on Aug 1, 2022 18:41:30 GMT -5
Finally someone who doesn’t think Tigerstar 2 is such a terrible character! Also someone who doesn’t hate Tigerheart’s Shadow, it honestly isn’t much worse than the other Super Editions (they all kind of all worship they’re main character). If anything it has a different setting, making the plot more unique and different from some of the other books. To be fair, having a different setting alone doesn't necessarily make a book interesting on its own. Like many things, it depends on how its executed and traveling books are generally pretty difficult to make interesting without them coming off as repetitive (HJ is a big example of this for me, being a largely boring SE imo, and this is coming from someone who loves the SkyClan books as well as GV, all of which have either traveling or a unique setting). As for the characters, not really? It'd be terrible writing otherwise. The problem with Tigerheart in his SE is that he can never be wrong, whereas the other SE protagonists actually get called out for their actions—be it directly or indirectly— if they do something wrong. Oh, I know, it’s just my opinion, as I personally love the traveling books, with HJ being one of my favorites, but I know that it’s certainly not for everyone. And in ThS, while I admittedly haven’t read it in a while, does point out some of his flaws. The narrative criticizes him for not going after Dovewing (debatable topic among readers), and shows his weakness when he is unsure about coming back to life. Also you’re right that the SEs usually call characters out for their actions, but in the end they are often portrayed as having been in the right and try to convince the reader of that (though of course that may be because the book is told from the character’s POV), with prime examples as Squirrelflight and Bluestar with her kits. Either way, I respect your opinion!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2022 0:05:11 GMT -5
mistystar gets too much hate
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2022 16:02:45 GMT -5
I have one that I remember now. I liked Leopardstar's Honor, although the continuity errors frustrated the heck out of me.
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Post by Spooky Alice on Aug 2, 2022 19:35:15 GMT -5
There is no reason for there to be five clans. Theres no reason for the forbidden romance rule (or like, there wasn't). Why is changing Clans such a big deal? There is no difference between them. It's poor worldbuilding. Baring some teeny tiny little changes they are effectively all the same thing, just with a different coat of paint.
The "loyalty to your clan" thing just feels so basic when they just aren't DIFFERENT
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Aug 3, 2022 3:23:15 GMT -5
There is no reason for there to be five clans. Theres no reason for the forbidden romance rule (or like, there wasn't). Why is changing Clans such a big deal? There is no difference between them. It's poor worldbuilding. Baring some teeny tiny little changes they are effectively all the same thing, just with a different coat of paint. The "loyalty to your clan" thing just feels so basic when they just aren't DIFFERENT Exactly, this! What is keeping the Clans from uniting? It feels poor worldbuilding. The only thing keeping them from becoming one large Clan is their stupid pride, because they want to keep doing the same traditions that their ancestors did before, and so on forth. It's baffling how the only difference in the Clans is what they eat and where they live. Just because your neighbor eats fish, you can't be friendly to them? Just because WindClan lives in an open moor, a cat is disgusted? That makes no sense. We had differences in the books. WindClan's visitors during Greenleaf, Tunnelers and Moor Runners, cats sleeping underneath the stars, RiverClan decorating and building bird nest-like dens, ShadowClan hunting at night... But it seems all of these were forgotten. And they aren't even an obstacle for the Clans to unite. They wouldn't lose any of that culture if they all became one big Clan... The same happens with changing Clans. It's treated like a big deal, but feels like the only difference is that maybe you will change from forest to river, or from moor to pine forest. That's it. Also, it feels like a reason they only demand loyaslty is because of pride? Like they don't want their enemies to get more warriors to aid them in battle, etc.
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