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Post by HvghDuhh on Jul 30, 2022 20:15:51 GMT -5
I assume this thread has already been done before, but I want to create a new one.
I've got some takes of my own that I've realized a lot of people disagree with.
Here are some:
Jayfeather was the best written character in the entire series (I think a lot of people will agree with me, but I still think this has a lot of disagreements.) His character development is unmatched, in my opinion, it was fun to read his chapters in PoF and OOTS. His humor is also unmatched, and all in all I think he is just the best character.
Tigerstar (the current leader of Shadowclan) is actually a super respectable, and of all 5 leaders currently, I think he is the best, other then Bramblestar (I'll talk about him later.) The way he acted in TBC, was actually really cool, he took in all the refugees and was by far the most sane of all the leaders in the entire arc. And although he wanted to kill Bramblestars body, I think that was a reasonable thing to want.
Bramblestar is THE MOST respectable character in the entire series. As a kit, and through most of his entire warrior life, has been mistreated because of who his father was, and how much he resembled him. And though be taunted by his father, as an apprentice/warrior and by his brother, he still came out as the most loyal Thunderclan cat. He proved everybody wrong. And then, Bramblestar had to go through all of this Ashfur stuff, bro literally had his body taken over and almost died because of it, for an entire arc, and now he has PTSD from it, but is still pushing on as the leader. I think he is such a respectable cat, because he keeps going through so much shit, and keeps on bouncing back and showing time and time again why he's the leader of Thunderclan.
I've got some more (such as my Onestar take, which is by far the most controversial I think,) but I don't wanna type all of them out right now, and want to see other people's controversial opinions, as well as feedback on my own. I'll share some more of my own if anyone is interested.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2022 22:31:34 GMT -5
Totally agree
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2022 23:44:44 GMT -5
I agree with you about Tigerstar and Bramblestar. I think Jayfeather is well-written, but I don't know if I would say he is the best written. Clear Sky, Tallstar, and Crookedstar all come to mind for that title imo.
I know I have some unpopular opinions, but I can't think of any at the moment.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jul 31, 2022 0:03:01 GMT -5
my most controversial ones (bc everyone gets upset when i say them): TBC sucks, bristlefrost sucks, root x bristle suck
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Post by HvghDuhh on Jul 31, 2022 0:04:32 GMT -5
I agree with you about Tigerstar and Bramblestar. I think Jayfeather is well-written, but I don't know if I would say he is the best written. Clear Sky, Tallstar, and Crookedstar all come to mind for that title imo. I know I have some unpopular opinions, but I can't think of any at the moment. Yes! Crookedstar is my second favorite character, so I respect your response.
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Post by HvghDuhh on Jul 31, 2022 0:06:01 GMT -5
my most controversial ones (bc everyone gets upset when i say them): TBC sucks, bristlefrost sucks, root x bristle suck Honestly, I agree with all of them. I didn't hate TBC, but it wasn't very good. As for Bristlefrost, I totally agree, I really dislike her, probably my least favorite protagonist in any arc ever. And Rootspring deserves better.
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Cloudstorm
Don’t let it kill you. Even when it hurts like hell.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Jul 31, 2022 0:44:22 GMT -5
Agree with everything….except about Tigerstar, tsk tsk no, just no.
My unpopular opinions, hmmmmm, to list a few.
Bramblestar isn’t an abusive monster like the fandom preaches. Squirrelflight is the causation of almost, if not, all of their relationship troubles. Now, I’m not in disagreement that he can be astringent, antagonistic and adds fuel to the flames of discontent when problems arise. But at the root core, Squirrelflight is at fault for them.
SH didn’t ruin Thistleclaw’s character. Honestly there’s quite a bit of foreshadowing, and subtle hints and connotations that can easily stipulate him being the type of character as portrayed in SH(not going into details, because rules). And the argument he only loved Snowfur is honestly inconsequential, and hardly an argument imo. Many predators lead perfectly normal lives, and have families, and are respected by their communities, and go undetected for years, decades in some incidences. Which is why their so deadly and unnerving.
Ashfur’s not a very interesting villain. Had his moments and comical value at points. But overall nothing incredible. Honestly would of been more interesting if they gave him a more profound redemption journey of sorts, to give actual reasoning for his inclusion in Starclan, rather than just a dull Incel caricature. And all the deliberate changes to how the afterlifes function to make him a threat, makes him all the more unappealing.
Tallstar’s revenge isn’t that great, and TallxJake is a terrible ship. I’m genuinely scratching my head in confusion from all the praise and admiration it gets. It’s decent I suppose, but don’t understand most peoples appeal in it. Tallstar certainly isn’t likable in it.
That covers it for now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2022 0:59:12 GMT -5
While I can't say I'm a fan of Bramblestar (I have a very negative opinion of him as a mate, but I really don't want to get into a debate about that) I'm gonna have to agree. Props to Bramblestar, he's been through so much in his life but he's taken it like a champ and is still going. It gives a redeeming quality to him and that's a plus for me. I hope he retires soon, he really needs some rest after everything he's been through.
Oh, and I want to see Squirrelstar. I think that's controversial, at least it is here.
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Jul 31, 2022 1:29:14 GMT -5
While I can't say I'm a fan of Bramblestar ( I have a very negative opinion of him as a mate, but I really don't want to get into a debate about that) I'm gonna have to agree. Props to Bramblestar, he's been through so much in his life but he's taken it like a champ and is still going. It gives a redeeming quality to him and that's a plus for me. I hope he retires soon, he really needs some rest after everything he's been through. Oh, and I want to see Squirrelstar. I think that's controversial, at least it is here. I agree on this, but he's been a pretty resilient cat.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2022 1:40:45 GMT -5
While I can't say I'm a fan of Bramblestar ( I have a very negative opinion of him as a mate, but I really don't want to get into a debate about that) I'm gonna have to agree. Props to Bramblestar, he's been through so much in his life but he's taken it like a champ and is still going. It gives a redeeming quality to him and that's a plus for me. I hope he retires soon, he really needs some rest after everything he's been through. Oh, and I want to see Squirrelstar. I think that's controversial, at least it is here. I agree on this, but he's been a pretty resilient cat. Indeed
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jul 31, 2022 1:43:20 GMT -5
Bramblestar isn’t an abusive monster like the fandom preaches. Squirrelflight is the causation of almost, if not, all of their relationship troubles. Now, I’m not in disagreement that he can be astringent, antagonistic and adds fuel to the flames of discontent when problems arise. But at the root core, Squirrelflight is at fault for them. this. 100% agree. it doesnt help that the books r almost never in his favor. they're almost always in squirrelflight's. it's unfair how he is portrayed.
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Post by HvghDuhh on Jul 31, 2022 1:59:46 GMT -5
Bramblestar isn’t an abusive monster like the fandom preaches. Squirrelflight is the causation of almost, if not, all of their relationship troubles. Now, I’m not in disagreement that he can be astringent, antagonistic and adds fuel to the flames of discontent when problems arise. But at the root core, Squirrelflight is at fault for them. Tallstar’s revenge isn’t that great, and TallxJake is a terrible ship. I’m genuinely scratching my head in confusion from all the praise and admiration it gets. It’s decent I suppose, but don’t understand most peoples appeal in it. Tallstar certainly isn’t likable in it. That covers it for now. I completely agree with the Bramblestar part, very well said. As for the Tallstar part, I'm like 100% sure that the main reason people like it so much is because it was the first openly gay ship, I beileve at least. Maybe other then Ravenpaw and Barley, but I don't know if the Erin's ever confirmed it like they did with TallstarxJake. May I ask why you don't like Tigerstar?
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Cloudstorm
Don’t let it kill you. Even when it hurts like hell.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Jul 31, 2022 2:00:27 GMT -5
Bramblestar isn’t an abusive monster like the fandom preaches. Squirrelflight is the causation of almost, if not, all of their relationship troubles. Now, I’m not in disagreement that he can be astringent, antagonistic and adds fuel to the flames of discontent when problems arise. But at the root core, Squirrelflight is at fault for them. this. 100% agree. it doesnt help that the books r almost never in his favor. they're almost always in squirrelflight's. it's unfair how he is portrayed. I’d say he’s portrayed as neutral most of the time, and pretty fairly. When not in Squirrelflight’s PoV of course, her perspective is indeed jaded and that greatly is influenced by her being a rather selfish cat, and likes to play the victim and throw a pity party whenever she doesn’t get immediate gratification. Bramblestar’s not free of faults by any means, but I have tremendous amounts more respect for him as a character and partner than Squirrelflight for sure.
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Post by HvghDuhh on Jul 31, 2022 2:03:02 GMT -5
Here's some more small controversial stuff that I just wanna put out there.
Tigerhearts Shadow, Bramblestars Storm, Hawkwings Journey are all amazing Super Editions. Idc what you say.
Obviously the best Super Edition is Crookedstars Promise, but I think the other 3 I mentioned are up there.
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Cloudstorm
Don’t let it kill you. Even when it hurts like hell.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Jul 31, 2022 2:13:35 GMT -5
Bramblestar isn’t an abusive monster like the fandom preaches. Squirrelflight is the causation of almost, if not, all of their relationship troubles. Now, I’m not in disagreement that he can be astringent, antagonistic and adds fuel to the flames of discontent when problems arise. But at the root core, Squirrelflight is at fault for them. Tallstar’s revenge isn’t that great, and TallxJake is a terrible ship. I’m genuinely scratching my head in confusion from all the praise and admiration it gets. It’s decent I suppose, but don’t understand most peoples appeal in it. Tallstar certainly isn’t likable in it. That covers it for now. I completely agree with the Bramblestar part, very well said. As for the Tallstar part, I'm like 100% sure that the main reason people like it so much is because it was the first openly gay ship, I beileve at least. Maybe other then Ravenpaw and Barley, but I don't know if the Erin's ever confirmed it like they did with TallstarxJake. May I ask why you don't like Tigerstar? he’s a hypocritical buffoon, always snooping into others business that doesn’t concern him, over revered by the narrative, and his romance and trashy treatment and betrayal of Dovewing in OoTS. His frankly disturbing parental choices, and he’s overall brash, aggressive and antagonistic, and very aggravating for me to read about frankly. Enjoyed him in PoT and early on in OoTS, but not since. I figured that TallxJake being openly gay had something to do with its popularity. However, was hoping there was something more profound and intrinsic and intriguing that I might have just been overlooking that made people adore the book other than a superficial aspect like that. I mean frankly Tallstar is horrible to Jake, and views him as a nuisance most of the time, and it’s not until Jake returns to his owner that Tallstar is suddenly desperate for him to stay. If they would of spent more time together, and had more development between the 2 I’d possibly see it. But from what we received, blugh.
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Post by stupidflower on Jul 31, 2022 6:47:48 GMT -5
EXTREMELY controversial opinion: Appledusk doesn’t deserve the Dark Forest. Sure, he’s a jerk cheater, but to put him on the level of cats like Tigerstar 1 and Brokenstar?? Nope. He seemed to genuinely care about his kits in the scene he’s with them while they’re alive, not to mention that he seems devastated when they die. Even as a cheater, he refuses to actually hurt Mapleshade when she comes to attack him, even to save his own apprentice. And when she tries to kill Reedshine, he still doesn’t actually attack her, just leaps in the way to save Reedshine. So while he may be a terrible cheater, he does not deserve the Dark Forest. Neither do Frecklewish or Ravenwing, in my opinion, but I won’t explain those since those aren’t exactly unpopular opinions.
Another one: I liked Blackfoot’s reckoning. I liked all the insight it gave to the ShadowClan of that time period and Blackfoot’s mindset. It certainly did not justify his actions to me, but I still enjoyed the book.
Lastly, I don’t like LeafXCrow. They barely have any interactions before going off together. Crowfeather seems to just be quick to find a ‘replacement’ Feathertail. And Leafpool is willing to give up literally everything: Her sister, parents, mentor, friends, whole CLAN, for this guy she’s known for like, what, one season? If you don’t believe me, look at the events timeline on the wiki under Year 5. And after that, they barely speak to each other throughout the rest of Leafpool’s lifetime. They barely seem to give each other a thought. I don’t know, it never seemed fleshed out or like genuine love to me, unlike (another controversial one!) Bristlefrost and Rootspring.
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Post by twigfrost on Jul 31, 2022 6:59:42 GMT -5
violetshine is given too much credit as a good sister, and is not that much of a improvement over ivypool, no matter how much people seem to insist she is. her problems with twigbranch are nearly identical, but much more nonsensical and hypocritical. people believing that twigbranch should’ve sacrificed her happiness for a sister who has done nothing but blame her and push her away is a horrid idea.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Jul 31, 2022 7:18:03 GMT -5
Breezepelt's redemption wasn't bad.
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Post by Bristleflight-bristlefrost! on Jul 31, 2022 7:51:33 GMT -5
Bristlefrost is the best character ever the BC is the best arc. I hate the PB and I love the arcs past oots way more the before. Bristlefrost and Rootspring are the best couple and squirrelflight should die soon. Shadowsight sucks he's one of my least favorite protagonists and characters.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jul 31, 2022 9:59:03 GMT -5
ashfur should have just stayed in starclan rather than the TBC debacle. he made a one-note villain.
ivypool is overrated. but also i dont dislike her, i just think the fandom gives her too much credit and i dont want Ivystar
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Post by HvghDuhh on Jul 31, 2022 14:39:46 GMT -5
violetshine is given too much credit as a good sister, and is not that much of a improvement over ivypool, no matter how much people seem to insist she is. her problems with twigbranch are nearly identical, but much more nonsensical and hypocritical. people believing that twigbranch should’ve sacrificed her happiness for a sister who has done nothing but blame her and push her away is a horrid idea. I'm not a fan of Violetshine or Twigbranch tbh.
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Post by evilwizard on Jul 31, 2022 18:26:12 GMT -5
i truly believe squirrelflight is a lovely character, and her relationship with bramblestar is an accurate portrayal of emotional abuse. as an emotional/mental abuse victim its very easy to identify the signs and all the words that people like that use. obviously not everyone agrees and thats ok, it just pains me to see squirrelflight with bramblestar after everything shes gone through.
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Jul 31, 2022 18:28:18 GMT -5
EXTREMELY controversial opinion: Appledusk doesn’t deserve the Dark Forest. Sure, he’s a jerk cheater, but to put him on the level of cats like Tigerstar 1 and Brokenstar?? Nope. He seemed to genuinely care about his kits in the scene he’s with them while they’re alive, not to mention that he seems devastated when they die. Even as a cheater, he refuses to actually hurt Mapleshade when she comes to attack him, even to save his own apprentice. And when she tries to kill Reedshine, he still doesn’t actually attack her, just leaps in the way to save Reedshine. So while he may be a terrible cheater, he does not deserve the Dark Forest. Neither do Frecklewish or Ravenwing, in my opinion, but I won’t explain those since those aren’t exactly unpopular opinions. Another one: I liked Blackfoot’s reckoning. I liked all the insight it gave to the ShadowClan of that time period and Blackfoot’s mindset. It certainly did not justify his actions to me, but I still enjoyed the book. Lastly, I don’t like LeafXCrow. They barely have any interactions before going off together. Crowfeather seems to just be quick to find a ‘replacement’ Feathertail. And Leafpool is willing to give up literally everything: Her sister, parents, mentor, friends, whole CLAN, for this guy she’s known for like, what, one season? If you don’t believe me, look at the events timeline on the wiki under Year 5. And after that, they barely speak to each other throughout the rest of Leafpool’s lifetime. They barely seem to give each other a thought. I don’t know, it never seemed fleshed out or like genuine love to me, unlike (another controversial one!) Bristlefrost and Rootspring. ABSOLUTELY AGREED ON THE FIRST ONE
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2022 19:19:52 GMT -5
I think that Warriors should have LGBTQ+ cats and ships in it, but for countries where this is not allowed they changed the gender of the cat. (Not sure how well this is going to be received)
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raincloud33
victorian novel version of greencough is brain-fever
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Post by raincloud33 on Jul 31, 2022 22:16:44 GMT -5
I really like very nontraditional names. Even stupid names! Twigbranch is funny and cute! Fidgetflake is just adorkable! Give me more dumb and funny and cute and whimsical names! I wish the books had kept in names like 'Hammerclaw'... They're British cats, they're more likely to know what a hammer is than a tiger, and animal they'd only see at a zoo.
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Post by wilh3rdwheel on Aug 1, 2022 4:21:49 GMT -5
I hate star clan and how they are portrayed, I mean it's not because they died that they became wiser or smarter, they do mistakes as well, they're just cats in heaven why are people listening to them? And the prophecies being so abstract that they need a whole arc to finally settle on what it means gives me the will to burn my whole bookcase.
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Post by Hollyfall on Aug 1, 2022 12:37:06 GMT -5
Between Onewhisker and Mudclaw, the latter was the worse choice and Mudclaw is an arrogant prick who mostly rebelled because his ego was hurt. I can understand feeling sympathetic for him, but I'm boggled on how he has people defending him and how he was justified in launching a coup and attempting to murder innocent cats.
ASC so far is terrible. River was a huge let-down and it's killed many hopes I've had for the arc.
Tigerstar II isn't that bad a leader or character. Though the editors could really stand to show their bias for a him a little less.
Bramblestar isn't some god-awful person as some people make him out to be. He's not without his faults and by no means perfect, but he gets way too much hate in regards to his relationship with Squirrelflight, leadership, and character.
Violetshine is annoying and Twigbranch is the better one between the two.
Leafpool is boring and has barely any discernable personality traits beyond "nice cat".
Riverstar's a nice guy and all, but that's really the only notable thing about him.
Shadowstar's Life and Tigerheart's Shadow were enjoyable books.
RiverClan is overrated and boring.
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Post by cable on Aug 1, 2022 13:56:58 GMT -5
Leafpool is boring and has barely any discernable personality traits beyond "nice cat". i think im in love with you /j
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Post by stupidflower on Aug 1, 2022 15:44:13 GMT -5
Tigerstar II isn't that bad a leader or character. Though the editors could really stand to show their bias for a him a little less. Shadowstar's Life and Tigerheart's Shadow were enjoyable books. Finally someone who doesn’t think Tigerstar 2 is such a terrible character! Also someone who doesn’t hate Tigerheart’s Shadow, it honestly isn’t much worse than the other Super Editions (they all kind of all worship they’re main character). If anything it has a different setting, making the plot more unique and different from some of the other books.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2022 15:56:13 GMT -5
Tigerstar II isn't that bad a leader or character. Though the editors could really stand to show their bias for a him a little less. Shadowstar's Life and Tigerheart's Shadow were enjoyable books. Finally someone who doesn’t think Tigerstar 2 is such a terrible character! Also someone who doesn’t hate Tigerheart’s Shadow, it honestly isn’t much worse than the other Super Editions (they all kind of all worship they’re main character). If anything it has a different setting, making the plot more unique and different from some of the other books. I'm in the middle of it right now, but so far I'm really enjoying the city setting and Guardian Cats. IMO, Warriors is often at its best when it breaks out of the four Clan setup and explores other places and cultures.
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