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Post by *Faith* on Jun 5, 2022 19:29:34 GMT -5
So I was browsing the internet, trying to find spoilers for the book. And though I don't have twitter, it still let me look. So I found this (don't read if you don't want spoilers):
Remember when Volepaw was mentioned to have died from a rat infected wound in YS and BR? Turns out that wasn't actually the case. Volepaw and Littlepaw were the ones who fought the rats, with Littlepaw only having a minor injury. In the case of Volepaw, he ended up gaining a terrible injury in his leg after one of the rats cut through something vital. Runningnose even said that he was never going to walk properly again. So Runningnose and Clawface took Volepaw to join the elders and told all of ShC (including Yellowfang) that Volepaw was dead. Volepaw's death was literally faked. twitter.com/search?q=exile%20from%20shadowclan&src=typed_query&f=live
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Post by Hollyfall on Jun 5, 2022 22:43:45 GMT -5
Damn, wasn't expecting that of all things. That's a very interesting route they took. Even more interesting is that Clawface, one of Brokenstar's biggest supporters, was in on it. It still isn't in stock for me unfortunately, but this is good to keep in mind.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Jun 6, 2022 6:08:20 GMT -5
Poor (or lucky ig?) Volepaw!
By the way though, I'm quite surprised no one on here seems to have gotten EfSh early this time around like it's usually the case with other books or even WoC last year. I pre-ordered it on May 7th and it will only arrive over a week after the initial release date (June 7th) on June 18th for me.
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Post by jayfeather1234 on Jun 6, 2022 7:08:29 GMT -5
Damn, wasn't expecting that of all things. That's a very interesting route they took. Even more interesting is that Clawface, one of Brokenstar's biggest supporters, was in on it. It still isn't in stock for me unfortunately, but this is good to keep in mind. Clawface was in on it despite being loyal enough to Brokenstar to go to the Dark Forest? This only further supports my theory that Clawface has Dissociative Identity Disorder. His main personality being nice while his alter is cruel.
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Post by Hollyfall on Jun 6, 2022 8:24:51 GMT -5
Poor (or lucky ig?) Volepaw! By the way though, I'm quite surprised no one on here seems to have gotten EfSh early this time around like it's usually the case with other books or even WoC last year. I pre-ordered it on May 7th and it will only arrive over a week after the initial release date (June 7th) on June 18th for me. Actually just checked my bookstore and it’s in stock! I’m going to go after work and see if I can nab it.
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Post by Mau Furlong on Jun 6, 2022 9:51:56 GMT -5
which cats were in the ShC elder group?
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Jun 6, 2022 10:53:54 GMT -5
Poor (or lucky ig?) Volepaw! By the way though, I'm quite surprised no one on here seems to have gotten EfSh early this time around like it's usually the case with other books or even WoC last year. I pre-ordered it on May 7th and it will only arrive over a week after the initial release date (June 7th) on June 18th for me. Actually just checked my bookstore and it’s in stock! I’m going to go after work and see if I can nab it. Awesome! Hopefully you can get it today but if not then maybe another time soon. Your spoiler threads are always great. Good luck!
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Jun 6, 2022 11:04:34 GMT -5
Damn, wasn't expecting that of all things. That's a very interesting route they took. Even more interesting is that Clawface, one of Brokenstar's biggest supporters, was in on it. It still isn't in stock for me unfortunately, but this is good to keep in mind. Clawface was in on it despite being loyal enough to Brokenstar to go to the Dark Forest? This only further supports my theory that Clawface has Dissociative Identity Disorder. His main personality being nice while his alter is cruel. Even if Clawface did have DID in canon which has never been confirmed and his inconsistent behaviour can most likely be chalked up to writing mistakes instead, it would not excuse the things his "evil alter" did such as kidnapping the LionFrost litter and killing Spottedleaf. Also, another thing I forgot to adress in our conversation on the Clawface thread, I'm thinking that headcanoning him as having such an already stigmatized disorder with a "villainous alter" might actually be somewhat problematic considering how people with Dissociative Identity Disorder already get stereotyped in certain media genres to be unpredictable and even dangerous at times. Just saying.
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Post by Hollyfall on Jun 6, 2022 11:33:39 GMT -5
Actually just checked my bookstore and it’s in stock! I’m going to go after work and see if I can nab it. Awesome! Hopefully you can get it today but if not then maybe another time soon. Your spoiler threads are always great. Good luck! Aw, thank you! I called ahead so it’s on hold for me and I’m picking it up soon. I’ll probably do a spoiler thread once I’m home afterwards.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Jun 6, 2022 11:43:28 GMT -5
Awesome! Hopefully you can get it today but if not then maybe another time soon. Your spoiler threads are always great. Good luck! Aw, thank you! I called ahead so it’s on hold for me and I’m picking it up soon. I’ll probably do a spoiler thread once I’m home afterwards. Can't wait, I'm super excited! But of course, do take your time and enjoy reading it before or while posting your summaries on this forum.
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Post by stupidflower on Jun 6, 2022 13:38:14 GMT -5
which cats were in the ShC elder group? At the beginning of the book, the elders that are exiled are Nightpelt, Poolcloud, Crowtail, Archeye, and Hollyflower. In the preview of this book we see that Ashfur (ShC) and Featherstorm join them and Poolcloud dies, and now we know Volepaw joins them.
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Post by Mau Furlong on Jun 6, 2022 15:03:20 GMT -5
which cats were in the ShC elder group? At the beginning of the book, the elders that are exiled are Nightpelt, Poolcloud, Crowtail, Archeye, and Hollyflower. In the preview of this book we see that Ashfur (ShC) and Featherstorm join them and Poolcloud dies, and now we know Volepaw joins them. ty
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jun 6, 2022 15:08:19 GMT -5
Clawface was in on it despite being loyal enough to Brokenstar to go to the Dark Forest? This only further supports my theory that Clawface has Dissociative Identity Disorder. His main personality being nice while his alter is cruel. Even if Clawface did have DID in canon which has never been confirmed and his inconsistent behaviour can most likely be chalked up to writing mistakes instead, it would not excuse the things his "evil alter" did such as kidnapping the LionFrost litter and killing Spottedleaf. Also, another thing I forgot to adress in our conversation on the Clawface thread, I'm thinking that headcanoning him as having such an already stigmatized disorder with a "villainous alter" might actually be somewhat problematic considering how people with Dissociative Identity Disorder already get stereotyped in certain media genres to be unpredictable and even dangerous at times. Just saying. Adding onto this, someone can act a certain way and not necessarily have a mental illness. It's why I'm always wary to assign characters this or that disorder unless it's either confirmed or they display enough symptoms for me to be certain (ex: Bluestar possibly having had PTSD). There's such a thing as having standards, and even then, doing one good thing doesn't negate having ulterior motives, either.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Jun 6, 2022 15:15:25 GMT -5
Even if Clawface did have DID in canon which has never been confirmed and his inconsistent behaviour can most likely be chalked up to writing mistakes instead, it would not excuse the things his "evil alter" did such as kidnapping the LionFrost litter and killing Spottedleaf. Also, another thing I forgot to adress in our conversation on the Clawface thread, I'm thinking that headcanoning him as having such an already stigmatized disorder with a "villainous alter" might actually be somewhat problematic considering how people with Dissociative Identity Disorder already get stereotyped in certain media genres to be unpredictable and even dangerous at times. Just saying. Adding onto this, someone can act a certain way and not necessarily have a mental illness. It's why I'm always wary to assign characters this or that disorder unless it's either confirmed or they display enough symptoms for me to be certain (ex: Bluestar possibly having had PTSD). There's such a thing as having standards, and even then, doing one good thing doesn't negate having ulterior motives, either. I 100% agree with you. To me, Clawface is just another minor background villain who was written inconsistently like so many other characters in different books. I'm also of the opinion that the writing team of Warriors would probably not do that good of a job at portraying someone with DID. Just a feeling. But especially if they give them an "evil alter" *shudders*.
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Post by jayfeather1234 on Jun 6, 2022 16:26:10 GMT -5
Adding onto this, someone can act a certain way and not necessarily have a mental illness. It's why I'm always wary to assign characters this or that disorder unless it's either confirmed or they display enough symptoms for me to be certain (ex: Bluestar possibly having had PTSD). There's such a thing as having standards, and even then, doing one good thing doesn't negate having ulterior motives, either. I 100% agree with you. To me, Clawface is just another minor background villain who was written inconsistently like so many other characters in different books. I'm also of the opinion that the writing team of Warriors would probably not do that good of a job at portraying someone with DID. Just a feeling. But especially if they give them an "evil alter" *shudders*. Ok, what is wrong with a character having a mental illness? There is nothing wrong with a character having a mental illness. Clawface having an alter would likely invoke sympathy for his main alter. Also, I said one alter could be cruel, not evil. I never elaborated on what I meant. What I meant was that maybe one alter is just very strict in following Brokenstar and the main alter uses the loyal alter as a coping mechanism of following Brokenstar. Just because most instances of characters with DID are stereotyped as unpredictable with an “evil” alter, it does not mean that Clawface would be exactly like that and not every character has to be “good” or “evil”, some could be both. There are also plenty of examples of characters with split personalities that are not misrepresented, yet still have opposite personalities. I do not like thinking of any character as a villain (evil), but rather as simply antagonists (opposition). On a final note, I was referencing DID as an example of Clawface having two personalities. I highly doubt any mental disorders will ever be referenced in the books (not including the Warriors Website). As such, it could be revealed that Clawface has two personalities while being very vague as to if it is DID. Also, while I do not have DID, I do have a mental disorder, just a different one.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Jun 6, 2022 16:36:57 GMT -5
I 100% agree with you. To me, Clawface is just another minor background villain who was written inconsistently like so many other characters in different books. I'm also of the opinion that the writing team of Warriors would probably not do that good of a job at portraying someone with DID. Just a feeling. But especially if they give them an "evil alter" *shudders*. Ok, what is wrong with a character having a mental illness? There is nothing wrong with a character having a mental illness. Clawface having an alter would likely invoke sympathy for his main alter. Also, I said one alter could be cruel, not evil. I never elaborated on what I meant. What I meant was that maybe one alter is just very strict in following Brokenstar and the main alter uses the loyal alter as a coping mechanism of following Brokenstar. Just because most instances of characters with DID are stereotyped as unpredictable with an “evil” alter, it does not mean that Clawface would be exactly like that and not every character has to be “good” or “evil”, some could be both. There are also plenty of examples of characters with split personalities that are not misrepresented, yet still have opposite personalities. I do not like thinking of any character as a villain (evil), but rather as simply antagonists (opposition). On a final note, I was referencing DID as an example of Clawface having two personalities. I highly doubt any mental disorders will ever be referenced in the books (not including the Warriors Website). As such, it could be revealed that Clawface has two personalities while being very vague as to if it is DID. Also, while I do not have DID, I do have a mental disorder, just a different one. When did I ever say that it was wrong for a character (or a real life person for that matter) to have a mental illness? As someone who also has multiple although DID is not among them (autism, depression, anxiety, OCD and others) it would be illogical and unfair of me to do this! You are being quite hostile right now and I'm currently not in the mood to engage with that. Perhaps re-read my original reply to you on this thread again or if you haven't already to understand my viewpoint a bit better before getting so defensive over someone having valid concerns with your headcanon.
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Post by Viralstorm on Jun 6, 2022 16:53:10 GMT -5
Why do people care what kind of headcanon somebody has about a character? If they're just commenting about how they think a certain character might have xyz disorder/whatever, why do people try to police what others should or shouldn't think about a character? You can't control other people's imagination. Why not just let them have their fun/dumb/interesting/crazy/whatever theories?
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Jun 6, 2022 17:04:45 GMT -5
Why do people care what kind of headcanon somebody has about a character? If they're just commenting about how they think a certain character might have xyz disorder/whatever, why do people try to police what others should or shouldn't think about a character? You can't control other people's imagination. Why not just let them have their fun/dumb/interesting/crazy/whatever theories? I was not trying to police anyone or their headcanons. My concern was with the fact that Clawface, who is a villain that literally committed crimes such as kidnapping and murder, getting headcanoned with DID could reinforce the stereotype of people actually having this disorder in real life being portrayed with cruel or evil alters in various forms of fictional media such as antagonists and even serial killers. Also, it did sound like the person coming up with this headcanon for Clawface was somewhat excusing his, in their opinion, "alter behaviour" and him thus not deserving the Dark Forest because "his alter did it" according to them, on another thread. Clawface has been a villain since the series started, he was loyal to Brokenstar and then, by a writing mistake which has since been retconned, Tigerstar.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Jun 6, 2022 17:12:40 GMT -5
I wonder if Volepaw lived to adulthood? That's so interesting to learn, thank you for posting this Faith!
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Jun 6, 2022 17:17:13 GMT -5
I wonder if Volepaw lived to adulthood? That's so interesting to learn, thank you for posting this Faith! I mean, his status on the wiki is still labeled as deceased and having died "mysteriously" before becoming a warrior. Who knows if this might change because of EfSh or he just dies a little later on since the wound is still there.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Jun 6, 2022 17:22:03 GMT -5
I wonder if Volepaw lived to adulthood? That's so interesting to learn, thank you for posting this Faith! I mean, his status on the wiki is still labeled as deceased and having died "mysteriously" before becoming a warrior. Who knows if this might change because of EfSh or he just dies a little later on since the wound is still there. Well, we'll soon find out! I really hope that he lives somehow because it 'd be so awful if he died so young.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Jun 6, 2022 17:22:59 GMT -5
I mean, his status on the wiki is still labeled as deceased and having died "mysteriously" before becoming a warrior. Who knows if this might change because of EfSh or he just dies a little later on since the wound is still there. Well, we'll soon find out! I really hope that he lives somehow because it 'd be so awful if he died so young. Agreed! I sadly have a bad feeling though...
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Post by Viralstorm on Jun 6, 2022 17:23:41 GMT -5
Why do people care what kind of headcanon somebody has about a character? If they're just commenting about how they think a certain character might have xyz disorder/whatever, why do people try to police what others should or shouldn't think about a character? You can't control other people's imagination. Why not just let them have their fun/dumb/interesting/crazy/whatever theories? I was not trying to police anyone or their headcanons. My concern was with the fact that Clawface, who is a villain that literally committed crimes such as kidnapping and murder, getting headcanoned with DID could reinforce the stereotype of people actually having this disorder in real life being portrayed with cruel or evil alters in various forms of fictional media such as antagonists and even serial killers. Also, it did sound like the person coming up with this headcanon for Clawface was somewhat excusing his, in their opinion, "alter behaviour" and him thus not deserving the Dark Forest because "his alter did it" according to them, on another thread. Clawface has been a villain since the series started, he was loyal to Brokenstar and then, by a writing mistake which has since been retconned, Tigerstar. What I meant by that is that it's technically kind of pointless to have "concerns" about somebody's headcanons, since it's unlikely they'll stop believing something just because someone on the internet starts preaching to them about why their headcanon is "problematic" (which, btw, is a word I've come to truly despise). I don't want to antagonize anyone here, it's just that I'm so utterly sick of people in general being so preachy about how seemingly everything is "toxic/problematic/triggering/whatever" nowadays. Again, not trying to antagonize anybody, just wanted to voice my frustrations with this phenomenon that seems to be literally everywhere these days, since I'm the type that *really* doesn't like being told what to do/think.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Jun 6, 2022 17:39:35 GMT -5
I was not trying to police anyone or their headcanons. My concern was with the fact that Clawface, who is a villain that literally committed crimes such as kidnapping and murder, getting headcanoned with DID could reinforce the stereotype of people actually having this disorder in real life being portrayed with cruel or evil alters in various forms of fictional media such as antagonists and even serial killers. Also, it did sound like the person coming up with this headcanon for Clawface was somewhat excusing his, in their opinion, "alter behaviour" and him thus not deserving the Dark Forest because "his alter did it" according to them, on another thread. Clawface has been a villain since the series started, he was loyal to Brokenstar and then, by a writing mistake which has since been retconned, Tigerstar. What I meant by that is that it's technically kind of pointless to have "concerns" about somebody's headcanons, since it's unlikely they'll stop believing something just because someone on the internet starts preaching to them about why their headcanon is "problematic" (which, btw, is a word I've come to truly despise). I don't want to antagonize anyone here, it's just that I'm so utterly sick of people in general being so preachy about how seemingly everything is "toxic/problematic/triggering/whatever" nowadays. Again, not trying to antagonize anybody, just wanted to voice my frustrations with this phenomenon that seems to be literally everywhere these days, since I'm the type that *really* doesn't like being told what to do/think. People are allowed to disagree with the opinions of others. That is not automatically being preachy. People are also allowed to criticize this series as a whole. I know very well that you are annoyed by that. But just like you get to voice your thoughts on things so am I even if they sometimes happen to be negative in nature. Also, for someone who doesn't like getting told what to think/do, you are currently trying it with me. And I'm not someone who likes it either, in this case.
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Post by Viralstorm on Jun 6, 2022 18:03:48 GMT -5
What I meant by that is that it's technically kind of pointless to have "concerns" about somebody's headcanons, since it's unlikely they'll stop believing something just because someone on the internet starts preaching to them about why their headcanon is "problematic" (which, btw, is a word I've come to truly despise). I don't want to antagonize anyone here, it's just that I'm so utterly sick of people in general being so preachy about how seemingly everything is "toxic/problematic/triggering/whatever" nowadays. Again, not trying to antagonize anybody, just wanted to voice my frustrations with this phenomenon that seems to be literally everywhere these days, since I'm the type that *really* doesn't like being told what to do/think. People are allowed to disagree with the opinions of others. That is not automatically being preachy. People are also allowed to criticize this series as a whole. I know very well that you are annoyed by that. But just like you get to voice your thoughts on things so am I even if they sometimes happen to be negative in nature. Also, for someone who doesn't like getting told what to think/do, you are currently trying it with me. And I'm not someone who likes it either, in this case. You know what I meant. Also, you may be reading into some nonexistent/unintentional subtext here. I didn't explicitly say people should/shouldn't do stuff, just wondering/asking why people do it, since it all seems kind of pointless/unnecessary to me.
Also, I must wonder, is there really any point to any of this back-and-forth? I honestly don't know why I ever bother trying to converse with people here, since I usually only end up in pointless arguments like this when trying to get people to see my point, which usually leads to me feeling more animosity towards people here, which I think further increases the likelihood of me wanting to confront people. Idk.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Jun 6, 2022 18:18:26 GMT -5
People are allowed to disagree with the opinions of others. That is not automatically being preachy. People are also allowed to criticize this series as a whole. I know very well that you are annoyed by that. But just like you get to voice your thoughts on things so am I even if they sometimes happen to be negative in nature. Also, for someone who doesn't like getting told what to think/do, you are currently trying it with me. And I'm not someone who likes it either, in this case. You know what I meant. Also, you may be reading into some nonexistent/unintentional subtext here. I didn't explicitly say people should/shouldn't do stuff, just wondering/asking why people do it, since it all seems kind of pointless/unnecessary to me.
Also, I must wonder, is there really any point to any of this back-and-forth? I honestly don't know why I ever bother trying to converse with people here, since I usually only end up in pointless arguments like this when trying to get people to see my point, which usually leads to me feeling more animosity towards people here, which I think further increases the likelihood of me wanting to confront people. Idk. Because I can and want to express my opinion. Why are you getting worked up over people criticizing something? It's not like I'm going around telling everyone who has a headcanon that is not to my own personal liking to stop headcanoning it. But there is nothing wrong with me bringing up a valid concern about potentially stereotyping people with DID by headcanoning a villain such as Clawface with it. You started it and it seems like I'm finishing it. Because just like I fail to see your point except for you starting a needless argument with me, you do not see my point either which is simply that I was concerned with something and decided to voice those concerns. That's literally all there is to it. Just like I already told someone else on another thread today, if you don't like the community here, why even bother? Nothing is preventing you from leaving and looking for someplace else that fits better. Yeah, I really think we're done here. This seems pointless. Goodbye. You can block me if your animosity towards me has reached such levels or I will just block you now instead so neither of us has to deal with the other again.
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Post by twigfrost on Jun 6, 2022 18:19:28 GMT -5
People are allowed to disagree with the opinions of others. That is not automatically being preachy. People are also allowed to criticize this series as a whole. I know very well that you are annoyed by that. But just like you get to voice your thoughts on things so am I even if they sometimes happen to be negative in nature. Also, for someone who doesn't like getting told what to think/do, you are currently trying it with me. And I'm not someone who likes it either, in this case. You know what I meant. Also, you may be reading into some nonexistent/unintentional subtext here. I didn't explicitly say people should/shouldn't do stuff, just wondering/asking why people do it, since it all seems kind of pointless/unnecessary to me.
Also, I must wonder, is there really any point to any of this back-and-forth? I honestly don't know why I ever bother trying to converse with people here, since I usually only end up in pointless arguments like this when trying to get people to see my point, which usually leads to me feeling more animosity towards people here, which I think further increases the likelihood of me wanting to confront people. Idk. if you dislike the pointless arguments, then don’t respond back and forth.
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Post by Viralstorm on Jun 6, 2022 18:30:41 GMT -5
You know what I meant. Also, you may be reading into some nonexistent/unintentional subtext here. I didn't explicitly say people should/shouldn't do stuff, just wondering/asking why people do it, since it all seems kind of pointless/unnecessary to me.
Also, I must wonder, is there really any point to any of this back-and-forth? I honestly don't know why I ever bother trying to converse with people here, since I usually only end up in pointless arguments like this when trying to get people to see my point, which usually leads to me feeling more animosity towards people here, which I think further increases the likelihood of me wanting to confront people. Idk. Because I can and want to express my opinion. Why are you getting worked up over people criticizing something? It's not like I'm going around telling everyone who has a headcanon that is not to my own personal liking to stop headcanoning it. But there is nothing wrong with me bringing up a valid concern about potentially stereotyping people with DID by headcanoning a villain such as Clawface with it. You started it and it seems like I'm finishing it. Because just like I fail to see your point except for you starting a needless argument with me, you do not see my point either which is simply that I was concerned with something and decided to voice those concerns. That's literally all there is to it. Just like I already told someone else on another thread today, if you don't like the community here, why even bother? Nothing is preventing you from leaving and looking for someplace else that fits better. Yeah, I really think we're done here. This seems pointless. Goodbye. You can block me if your animosity towards me has reached such levels or I will just block you now instead so neither of us has to deal with the other again. No need to be so offended, man. I'm not worked up about anything. Just rambling out my random thoughts. I get if you're having a bad day or something, but there's no reason for hostility here. I'm not blocking anybody, because I believe that people can work out their differences by talking it out and realizing that fighting about stuff like this really is pointless.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Jun 6, 2022 18:38:54 GMT -5
Because I can and want to express my opinion. Why are you getting worked up over people criticizing something? It's not like I'm going around telling everyone who has a headcanon that is not to my own personal liking to stop headcanoning it. But there is nothing wrong with me bringing up a valid concern about potentially stereotyping people with DID by headcanoning a villain such as Clawface with it. You started it and it seems like I'm finishing it. Because just like I fail to see your point except for you starting a needless argument with me, you do not see my point either which is simply that I was concerned with something and decided to voice those concerns. That's literally all there is to it. Just like I already told someone else on another thread today, if you don't like the community here, why even bother? Nothing is preventing you from leaving and looking for someplace else that fits better. Yeah, I really think we're done here. This seems pointless. Goodbye. You can block me if your animosity towards me has reached such levels or I will just block you now instead so neither of us has to deal with the other again. No need to be so offended, man. I'm not worked up about anything. Just rambling out my random thoughts. I get if you're having a bad day or something, but there's no reason for hostility here. I'm not blocking anybody, because I believe that people can work out their differences by talking it out and realizing that fighting about stuff like this really is pointless. I'm not offended or having a bad day, just tired. You know what, let Sand handle this because I'm at a loss for words right now. Good night, I guess (or at least for me since it's 2AM where I live).
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Post by Viralstorm on Jun 6, 2022 18:40:20 GMT -5
No need to be so offended, man. I'm not worked up about anything. Just rambling out my random thoughts. I get if you're having a bad day or something, but there's no reason for hostility here. I'm not blocking anybody, because I believe that people can work out their differences by talking it out and realizing that fighting about stuff like this really is pointless. I'm not offended or having a bad day, just tired. You know what, let Sand handle this because I'm at a loss for words right now. Well tiredness can also affect your mood, so better get some sleep then
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