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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2016 17:31:50 GMT -5
"then he could have been deputy or even leader."
*Warning, rant incoming xD I just have to let this out- I don't want to debate or anything, just vent ^^"*
I know I haven't talked about Ashfur for a long, long time, but it seems the more we hear about him, the worse the authors (or whoever comes up with this stuff- cause there's tons of authors, other editors, and probably some random child who writes some of the books sometimes) look.
Looking back, what Ashfur did wasn't really that bad.
It's how the writers- or writer- or whoever talks about Ashfur talk about him that really messes the whole situation up.
But that paraphrased quote of what the ultimate guide says about Ashfur is, excuse my language, utter crap.
Since when have terrible things prevented cats from being leader? I'm sorry, so I suppose if Bluestar decided to keep her kits and not be leader, her line in the guide would be "if only those annoying children weren't given away, she could have an amazing, independent, and respected leader"? I'm sorry, so if Crookedstar spent his entire life planning revenge on Rainflower for disowning him instead of striving to be leader, his line would say, "if only Rainflower hadn't abused him, then he could have been a great leader"?
What if Firestar decided to never recover from Spottedleaf's death, enough to cause him to never try to be leader, would his line in the guide be, "If only that darn Clawface hadn't killed his beloved sweetheart, he could have saved the clans???"
NO! That's not how it works!
*deep breath* Ok, I'm done xD sorry for putting you through that
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Post by Cloudshadow on Sept 2, 2016 17:35:30 GMT -5
That is really a load of foxdung- how was being with Squirrelflight going to improve his chances of being deputy??
Ashfur wasn't leadership material either.
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Post by Yoshimi on Sept 2, 2016 18:03:23 GMT -5
Ferncloud didn't do nothing when Ashfur got dumped.
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Post by Cloudshadow on Sept 2, 2016 18:55:51 GMT -5
Ferncloud didn't do nothing when Ashfur got dumped. What was she supposed to do? It's Ashfur's life and if he needed/wanted someone to talk to he should have approached her. By the time they became warriors it appeared that they weren't very close anymore. He was likely closer to Cloudtail or Rainwhisker and Sootfur. They could have approached him about it. |
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Post by mEmE on Sept 2, 2016 19:35:39 GMT -5
Ferncloud didn't do nothing when Ashfur got dumped. What was she supposed to do? It's Ashfur's life and if he needed/wanted someone to talk to he should have approached her. By the time they became warriors it appeared that they weren't very close anymore. He was likely closer to Cloudtail or Rainwhisker and Sootfur. They could have approached him about it. You know, if my sister was dumped and had her heart broken, I would at least ask her if she was alright. But then again the Erin's made it Ashfur's destiny to turn into a murderous little **** |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2016 19:41:09 GMT -5
Yeah... not debating here, just had to vent.
What I was trying to say is that whether you hate Ashfur or love Ashfur- everyone can agree that cats can still become leaders even if they went through something hard. That's all I was saying- that Ashfur's breakup was no excuse for not becoming leader. In fact, he had even a better reason to become leader- to prove to Squirrelflight that he had what it took to be a good mate for her.
But no, he showed her that she made the right choice.
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Post by kinkajou on Sept 2, 2016 20:02:28 GMT -5
So tru though
I would hate ashfur less if the erins and so many other people didn't defend him tbh
And can you imagine what would happen if a cat as unstable as him became leader
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Post by Cloudshadow on Sept 2, 2016 21:19:32 GMT -5
What was she supposed to do? It's Ashfur's life and if he needed/wanted someone to talk to he should have approached her. By the time they became warriors it appeared that they weren't very close anymore. He was likely closer to Cloudtail or Rainwhisker and Sootfur. They could have approached him about it. You know, if my sister was dumped and had her heart broken, I would at least ask her if she was alright. But then again the Erin's made it Ashfur's destiny to turn into a murderous little ant-hill Of course, I would be right there for my siblings if either I them got their heart broken, but siblings that are more in the background or from earlier series tend not to have that close a relationship as say Jay, Lion, Holly or Squirrel and Leaf. At least not that we see. It's possible Ferncloud was there for ashfur in the background, it just wasn't important to the plot so wasn't written in. Of course there's no way to prove that but yeah. Quick question, is it possible to quote multiple posts at a time? |
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Post by Cloudshadow on Sept 2, 2016 21:22:01 GMT -5
Yeah... not debating here, just had to vent. What I was trying to say is that whether you hate Ashfur or love Ashfur- everyone can agree that cats can still become leaders even if they went through something hard. That's all I was saying- that Ashfur's breakup was no excuse for not becoming leader. In fact, he had even a better reason to become leader- to prove to Squirrelflight that he had what it took to be a good mate for her. But no, he showed her that she made the right choice. Sorry, that quote just fired me up haha. Yes I agree with the fact that it's no excuse. |
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Sept 2, 2016 23:49:07 GMT -5
People use Ferncloud's "lack" of caring against her for the rejection, but has Ashfur ever been shown to comfort his sister after the loss of any of her kits?
Edit: typo
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2016 10:34:48 GMT -5
What was she supposed to do? It's Ashfur's life and if he needed/wanted someone to talk to he should have approached her. By the time they became warriors it appeared that they weren't very close anymore. He was likely closer to Cloudtail or Rainwhisker and Sootfur. They could have approached him about it. You know, if my sister was dumped and had her heart broken, I would at least ask her if she was alright. But then again the Erin's made it Ashfur's destiny to turn into a murderous little ant-hill Or Ashfur could have went to her. Cats don't always have to come to Ashfur while he's having a huge tantrum. He's the one who bottled up his feelings. Ferncloud is busy worrying about the kits. He can't expect cats to notice his feelings. He even said to Squirrelflight "I can't believe you never understood the pain I'm in" or something like that in Long Shadows. Sure, Squirrelflight was blind to it, but guess what! The world doesn't revolve around you, Ashfur. Cats don't always have to make the first move to talk. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2016 10:56:59 GMT -5
Yeah... not debating here, just had to vent. What I was trying to say is that whether you hate Ashfur or love Ashfur- everyone can agree that cats can still become leaders even if they went through something hard. That's all I was saying- that Ashfur's breakup was no excuse for not becoming leader. In fact, he had even a better reason to become leader- to prove to Squirrelflight that he had what it took to be a good mate for her. But no, he showed her that she made the right choice. Sorry, that quote just fired me up haha. Yes I agree with the fact that it's no excuse. Oh yeah don't worry, I wasn't worried about people debating here, I was just clarifying what I was trying to say to people, cause it seems people thought this was an anti-Ashfur rant, when really it was an anti-what-they-said-about-Ashfur-in-the-guide-rant ^^" |
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Post by finland on Oct 17, 2016 12:03:26 GMT -5
I have never really like Ashfur
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Post by pastelpills on Oct 17, 2016 12:06:36 GMT -5
What was she supposed to do? It's Ashfur's life and if he needed/wanted someone to talk to he should have approached her. By the time they became warriors it appeared that they weren't very close anymore. He was likely closer to Cloudtail or Rainwhisker and Sootfur. They could have approached him about it. You know, if my sister was dumped and had her heart broken, I would at least ask her if she was alright. But then again the Erin's made it Ashfur's destiny to turn into a murderous little ant-hill Maybe she did actually talk to him, but we didn't see it. |
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Post by moonmasksunfrost on Oct 17, 2016 15:48:27 GMT -5
I agree entirely. Even when I first read through the Ultimate guide at first, when it first came out, small me didn't buy it either. There was absolutely no subtext, and this just seems to me like another example of favoritism.
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