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Post by Aqua on Mar 22, 2022 12:32:14 GMT -5
Is Dovewing selfish for wanting to have a family in ShadowClan?
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Mar 22, 2022 14:06:56 GMT -5
continuing to see tigerheart after a bad breakup was selfish (and that led to a pregnancy and that led to her running away), so in a way my answer is yes
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Mar 22, 2022 14:32:42 GMT -5
wanting to have a family in shadowclan w tigerheart? no
the way she went about achieving that? yes
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 22, 2022 19:37:46 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't think anyone has a problem with her wanting to be happy.
It's the way she went about getting what she wanted that made her selfish. She lied, and continuously went behind her clan's back, leaked information, dragged others into her foolery, and even put her own unborn children in danger while forcing her mate into an unfair ultimatum (which alone is a red flag).
Her clan spent days looking for her after she ran away, in the rain, time wasted they could have spent hunting or patroling borders. Only for her to come back with kits in tow, and announce she was going to leave again anyway. I don't even want to go into the situation where she used Puddleshine, that was ugh.
But yeah, she's pretty selfish, and doesn't own up to her actions or take any responsibility. I just want her to hopefully fall into the background next arc so we can finally be done with her tbh.
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Cloudstorm
Don’t let it kill you. Even when it hurts like hell.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Mar 22, 2022 20:04:01 GMT -5
Wanting to have a family and achieve happiness? No not selfish.
Subjecting countless Cats to 4+ years of unwarranted drama, tomfoolery and legality snafus. And not only jeopardizing her own clan on many accounts, but Shadowclan as well, demoralizing and putting down not only her sister, but her mentor, Bumblestripe and her entire clan as a whole. And endangered many lives because of her shenanigans? Oh yeah 100% selfish. I wouldn’t just call her selfish, but also narcissistic and very self-absorbed, and rarely genuinely shows any empathy towards others, and is much more concerned about how things will effect her specifically, she’s also quite inconsiderate, and gets quite defensive and has no qualms chewing anyone out for simply offering wholesome advice.
She’s worries obsessively how her actions might negatively effect others perception of her or might come off bad. Yet refuses to acknowledge any flaws she has or mistakes she made, and make steps to improving herself.
She comes off as a snobbish, and pretentious upper-class high schooler who thinks they are the definition of perfection, yet gets incredibly self-conscious and insecure and begins lashing out when other don’t view them as perfect, and begin to manipulate and belittle, and invalidate the feelings of others in order to make themselves feel better or seem more important then you are.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Mar 23, 2022 7:14:10 GMT -5
No, she isn't selfish for wanting a family in ShadowClan, but as others have said, she didn't go about it in the best way.
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