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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2022 11:51:25 GMT -5
I keep seeing people say that they don’t like forbidden relationships or that they’re inherently selfish. I’m kinda curious to hear your reasons on this cause it seems very funny to me that people seem to share the exact opinions as characters painted as wrong in the books lol
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Mar 9, 2022 12:03:46 GMT -5
I don't hate forbidden relationships but I'm rather just growing tired of the same formula getting used all over again and it being pushed as a drama source into every arc except DotC. Which is why my hope for ASC is that they finally are allowed and thus make that annoying and repetitive factor go away.
Sometimes I'm also merely biased against one specific partner involved in the romance (Tigerstar II) or I simply hate the ship overall (CrowLeaf).
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Mar 9, 2022 13:03:29 GMT -5
i view it as selfish because of the first code. thats also why i wish it doesnt change. the clans r built on loyalty, and if u break loyalty because of someone u barely know, that just breaks everything the clans represent and was built off of. i say barely know, because most forbidden relationships, u have to sneak around, lie, and only meet them at certain times. u dont know if thats how the cat truly acts. u're only seeing them aruond u, in a special hidden circumstance. thats not them in a natural environment. how do u know they're being themselves or if they're just putting on a front to impress u? how is there ANY trust in these kinds of relationships? plus, graystripe is the poster boy for why these relationships r selfish. he and silverstream basically stopped being warriors altogether just to sneak off and be together during the day. they might as well have pulled a leaf x crow and leave the clans at that point. they didnt care about anyone or anything but themselves and each other. which i call the very definition of SELFISH.
speaking of leaf x crow:
yeah, i have bias for leaf x crow, but i still have awareness enough to acknowledge their relatoinship was ALSO selfish, just like all the others. not only was it underdeveloped in the books, but it caused a lot of damage for everyone around them, for moons afterward. also, for dove x tiger, moving clans is another issue i find extremely selfish. leaving behind everything and everyone u were raised around is selfish. breaking ur warrior oath to ur clan is selfish. making the excuse that u cant find happiness or purpose in ur home clan is selfish. u 100% CAN find those things in ur own clan if u just tried and got in touch with ur warrior duties and what it means for the whole picture. and graystripe had a legit reason to move clans: to be with his children. but look what happened, he knew his loyalty lied with thunderclan and he couldnt even TRY to change loyalties FOR HIS CHILDREN. dovewing not being happy is an excuse. she could have tried to make friends in her own clan. she could have done more warrior duties to help out her clanmates. there is was no reason for her to get back with tigerheart. it was tigerheart's pressence that ruined her development away from him. if he didnt push so much with just his pressence in camp, she could have 100% moved on and stayed loyal to thunderclan.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Mar 9, 2022 14:00:13 GMT -5
I don't hate them. I hate them when they're poorly done, moreso instigated for the sake of filling plot as opposed to trying to tell a specific and unique story with each couple.
"Poorly done" here generally means underdeveloped. The cats fall into insta-love and immediately begin a forbidden relationship, but as the reader you have a hard time understanding what each respective cat sees in their illicit love interest. It can also refer to a relationship that's just a bland carbon copy of other forbidden romances. Some couples do okay at one aspect and bad at the other.
I think the only forbidden relationship that dodges both was Feathertail and Crowpaw, and they don't actually get together lol (also personally don't ship it). And Heatherpaw and Lionpaw perhaps.
Silverstream and Graystripe, and Leafpool and Crowfeather, while extremely dramatic still offered interesting new conflict to their respective stories. The former served to echo the narrative tragedy of Oak x Blue; the latter explored a medicine cat romance for the first time and the implications specific to it. Both also showed the very real and terrible consequences of engaging in forbidden romances (and why that code exists). I just wish they'd been better developed.
I guess one could argue that Rootspring and Bristlefrost brought something to the table, but I'm generally not a fan of their arc's clear attempt to dismantle the forbidden nature of cross-clan relationships (also their love story is extremely weak).
Every other forbidden romance is a writing failure, imo. They aren't necessary to an interesting plot, don't explore any new territory (per se), and are hard to believe.
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Post by downfalls on Mar 9, 2022 14:33:22 GMT -5
hate is not the word i would use, but i would say i don't like them. they seemed cool at first but now it's getting ridiculous and boring every single time one appears. there were some good ones like blueoak, but the others are not that great. a lot of the other forbidden relationships are either poorly written or just really boring. i also don't like how they implement love at first sight for some, like for example, greysilver.
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Post by lorekeeper on Mar 9, 2022 15:28:03 GMT -5
I am not a big fan as they tend to just be drama for the sake of drama. In the rp clans I made I tend to allow medicine cats to have mates and kits as I never really thought that part of the code made a lot of sense to me. If its done well it can be interesting but I hate when it draws out too long.
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Post by 𝔯𝔞𝔟𝔟𝔦𝔱𝔣𝔯𝔬𝔰𝔱 on Mar 9, 2022 15:55:16 GMT -5
For me, the issue with forbidden romances is that they're so overdone they don't really seem forbidden anymore. Like, it has become a major theme in nearly every arc, it's exhausting. I don't care about it anymore. When it was Gray x Silver, it was interesting because it was new and we all knew it was a bad thing and there was the anticipation of them getting caught. And I'll admit, even the connection between Gray x Silver with Blue x Oak was interesting.
But then they started making it a major theme in almost every arc, and it really just feels like the Erins don't know how to make it interesting without throwing in a forbidden relationship. Surely there's more interesting stuff they can come up with that doesn't have to do with cat from other Clans getting together.
I don't even care about it being selfish - in fact, I kinda like seeing characters be selfish and put themselves first sometimes. That makes them more interesting. But I have to say, I look forward to hopefully seeing the Warrior Code change so they don't have forbidden romances as an option for filler content and added drama anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2022 16:16:51 GMT -5
The plotline has been overdone. They are unoriginal and boring at this point.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 9, 2022 22:02:17 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of them in general if they don't bring anything new to the table? I think the only ones I tolerate are GraySilver, BristleRoot, and FeatherCrow? Probably more, but too tired to think of, and they're usually the one and done, or least problematic ones lol.
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Post by Emeraldripple on Mar 9, 2022 22:43:10 GMT -5
They play out the same way over and over again, and usually take down at least one party's characterization with them. It's hard to feel like anything is at stake when I'm mostly just missing what this character was like when their plotline gave them opportunities for real growth and development, rather than just regressing into someone whose entire world revolves a love interest we know is either going to abandon them or find some painful way to overcomplicate things even more.
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Post by Vale on Mar 10, 2022 7:30:03 GMT -5
I don't hate them as a concept but I do dislike how Warriors as a series has grown to use them for easy conflict. It often feels like the editing team really want a character to make a mistake to agonise over but don't want them to do something that might make the reader actually question them. Combine that with how it's seen as a terrible thing in-universe and it's the easiest thing for the editors to do for drama. The first couple of times were fine for me, but now it's pretty transparent that the editors just didn't have a better idea as the couples don't feel like they naturally grew into romance.
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Post by cygna on Mar 10, 2022 15:25:38 GMT -5
I don’t hate forbidden relationships, I just hate most of the forbidden relationships we got other than 2Feather(FeatherCrow) and RootBristle. DoveTiger was the worst of them all.
They didn’t even explore interesting forbidden relationship options but instead used the same formula nearly every time.
Like we could have gotten...
Male Medicine cat x She cat from same clan
Medicine cat x Leader
Medicine cat x Medicine cat from different clan
Medicine cat x Medicine cat from same clan
Leader x Leader
Leader x Deputy from another clan
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Post by Katanaheart on Mar 10, 2022 16:25:49 GMT -5
I don’t hate forbidden relationships, I just hate most of the forbidden relationships we got other that 2Feather(FeatherCrow) and RootBristle. DoveTiger was the worst of them all. They didn’t even explore interesting forbidden relationship options but instead used the same formula nearly every time. Like we could have gotten... Male Medicine cat x She cat from same clan Medicine cat x Leader Medicine cat x Medicine cat from different clan Medicine cat x Medicine cat from same clan Leader x Leader Leader x Deputy from another clan All of these other examples to spice up forbidden relationships have never been used, which is saddening. Instead we just get Warrior X Warrior for like what, the fourth time in a row? At least Lionblaze and Heathertail were different as they were both apprentices at the time.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Mar 10, 2022 18:14:20 GMT -5
I don’t hate forbidden relationships, I just hate most of the forbidden relationships we got other that 2Feather(FeatherCrow) and RootBristle. DoveTiger was the worst of them all. They didn’t even explore interesting forbidden relationship options but instead used the same formula nearly every time. Like we could have gotten... Male Medicine cat x She cat from same clan Medicine cat x Leader Medicine cat x Medicine cat from different clan Medicine cat x Medicine cat from same clan Leader x Leader Leader x Deputy from another clan leader x medicine cat always sounded interesting. they would have the power to keep it as hidden as possible. their excuse being "leaders need to be close to their medicine cats for starclan reasons" and such. i hate forbidden romances, but at least those u listed would have been interesting rather than infuriating (guess that also depends on who the cats r and how its executed...sounds interesting on paper is what i mean).
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