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Post by Aqua on Mar 8, 2022 18:23:13 GMT -5
Both of these cats handled their situation poorly by lying to their clans about their mates. Leafpool abandoned her kits and made them grow up with a web of lies, while Dovewing abandoned her clan and left her family right after she came back from her trip. Who handled the situation better?
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Post by Aqua on Mar 8, 2022 19:03:23 GMT -5
Kind of surprised someone chose Dovewing tbh
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Mar 8, 2022 19:14:01 GMT -5
for the most part, leafpool managed to stay happy in her own clan and still do her job without her kits (who were being raised by her sister) getting in the way or distracting her to the point of neglecting her job. she didn't truly abandon her kits. they went to her sister and she was the medicine cat, always checking in on the queens and kits anyways. she was still in her kits lives (just as an aunt rather than mother) and she managed just fine. leafpool is literally proof that medicine cats can have kits and keep their jobs.
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Post by 𝔯𝔞𝔟𝔟𝔦𝔱𝔣𝔯𝔬𝔰𝔱 on Mar 8, 2022 19:19:04 GMT -5
Oh man, I just posted about this on the thread asking if Dovewing was selfish.
But basically, Dovewing owned up to what she did, knowing there would be consequences. I think she made the right decision by leaving ThunderClan to raise her kits in ShadowClan with Tigerstar. I hate their relationship even more than I hate LeafxCrow, but they handled it (ultimately) a lot more maturely. I didn't like how she ran away to have her kits, but once she returned, I fully support the decision she made to leave her Clan and I think it was for the best.
Leafpool, on the other hand, continued to lie to her kits and her Clan up until someone else outed it for her. She never would've told anybody that the Three were hers - I can't say whether they would've had better lives if she had raised them or not. I genuinely don't know. But her choice to lie about it, and to bring her sister in on the lie, caused significant harm to herself, her kits, her sister, and her Clan. Yes, she did what she thought was best to give her kits a good life, but it caused more harm in the long-run than good. I don't think she was completely wrong for the decision she made - she made it with the best intentions - but ultimately, it's easy to see that it wasn't a good choice in the long run.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Mar 8, 2022 21:46:39 GMT -5
I don't think the situations are comparable in this case. Leafpool didn't get the opportunities Dovewing did. She was forced back to her clan with the death of Cinderpelt, making her the only medicine cat. She couldn't stay away with Crowfeather (which I would have preferred for her). She also was heavily influenced by Starclan to do what she did. She was ALSO a medicine cat, not some random warrior.
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Post by Emeraldripple on Mar 8, 2022 23:38:39 GMT -5
I think both of them did what they felt they had to in the moment, but Dovewing admittedly earned a lot of respect from me by being that willing to own up to the consequences of her actions. Even if Leafpool panicked and went with the first solution that came to mind, I don't feel it did Jay, Lion, and Holly any favors in the long run since they were probably always going to find out at some point.
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Post by Aqua on Mar 9, 2022 0:23:01 GMT -5
Where did Dovewing up to her actions? I don't remember.
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Post by kells on Mar 9, 2022 1:06:58 GMT -5
Leafpool is easily the worst offender, imo her "fling" left her Clanmates vulnerable, ruined her sister's love life, and the reputation of ThunderClan itself as well as her own kits'
As much as I hate Dove, at least she told her Clan she was going to ShadowClan
Honestly the fact Dovewing just fessed up and went to ShadowClan instead of sweeping it under the rug for so many years makes her handling so much better
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Post by whiteflight on Mar 9, 2022 1:58:52 GMT -5
Even if I hate Dovewing she handled the situation better since her kits won't be living in a lie and they get to be with both of their birth parents. I still do believe Leafpool did her best on giving her kits a stress free life before the truth came out, since Leafpool's situation is a bit more complicated than Dovewing's situation.
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Post by Aqua on Mar 9, 2022 6:16:57 GMT -5
Even if I hate Dovewing she handled the situation better since her kits won't be living in a lie and they get to be with both of their birth parents. I still do believe Leafpool did her best on giving her kits a stress free life before the truth came out, since Leafpool's situation is a bit more complicated than Dovewing's situation. I agree. I feel like people forgot because the only reason Leafpool lied is because she needed to be TC's medicine cat. Remember, she did sacrifice ehat age loved for her clan, whole Dovewing made an entire clan collapse when she could have easily moved to SC right from the beginning, lol.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Mar 9, 2022 8:05:29 GMT -5
The situations aren't that comparable, but I would say Dovewing handled it better.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 9, 2022 10:17:08 GMT -5
The issue here is more complex than one would think.
As far as character writing goes, Leafpool was more redeemable. But as far as in world writing goes, Dovewing's situation was more salvageable.
To break it down, and I don't want to drag this too much, cause I'm typing on my laptop, and I'm still bedridden lol, basically it comes down to circumstance.
A warrior breaking the code for a lover in another clan can easily be solved if the warrior just switch clans. The issue with Dovewing, from what I've seen, the consensus is less about her and her horrible chemistry with Tigerheart and more that they didn't make up their minds sooner. Their annoying on and off relationship was dragged through so many books, and ultimately also dragged other cats into the situation as well, and caused more trouble than it was worth. Such as the herb situation, ransom, using Bumble as a rebound, or Dovewing unnecessarily running away while pregnant, and so on.
It was clear in AVoS that the Erins intended for them to stay a thing when they got back together for the 100th time, they were going to be the end game, but the back and forth drama would put LionCinder to shame. It didn't help that this drama culminated into a book you HAD to read as an SE, because it contained vital information leading into the next arc, so whether you liked Tigerheart or not, you didn't have many options here. It was shoved in your face regardless. On top of that the drama continues, somewhat, into TBC, with one of their children, since the other two are practically non-existant in that, but ya know whatever.
On the other hand, Leafpool's situation is much much more complex, less annoying, but more baffling??? For one, LeafCrow was a very left field pairing. Say what you want about Tiger and Dove, but at least they had some sort of history? Even if I don't like it? But the span it took for LeafCrow to be a thing was incredibly spontaneous and rushed, and it felt like it was a thing just to fit the Fire/Tiger quota for the prophecy. Next, it is way more taboo, it's one thing for a cat to get with another cat from another clan, but it is another things for a medicine cat, which is like the equivalent of a nun, lol, to do it, it's quite friggen scandelous. (The rest of the clans didn't even know about how StarClan was involved with the cover up?? Imagine the reactions to that foolery.)
Leafpool and Crowfeather broke two of the biggest taboos in the clans, which is why they so quickly opted to just run away instead, but and just elope. Because no matter what they did, they did not have the option DoveTiger would have, switching clans is not an option. I highly doubt Onestar would just let Leafpool join his clan as a warrior (and she's a horrid one mind you, doubt she'd make it as a WindClan Warrior when she can't even make it as a TC one) and Crowfeather joining TC would change nothing. It's even worse because Leafpool is the son of Firestar, this was greater reputation destroying than Dovewing, who was renowned as a hero from ThunderClan being branded a traitor while her sister defended her honor after the allegations got out about her and Tiger.
In the end, the mistake here was that Leafpool chose too late, while Dovewing took too long to choose too despite having all the time in the world lol. Both of them get pregnant, and at that point, there's no turning back.
One could argue, StarClan's hand in this, and them being manipulative to Leafpool, not Squirrelflight, do not bring her up, in the end it was her choice to help lmfao, but I mean Leafpool, they genuinely dooped her. But nah, Dovewing didn't have that kinda pressure on her shoulders when she found out she was pregnant, you can argue the dream situation? But that was brushed aside so easily by Daisy and the others it wasn't even funny, which made that plot so ridiculous it made the whole SE feel like a wild goose chase.
Leafpool had her kits raised on a lie, she ruined a marriage, and yeah...
And although her kits won't be raised on a lie, Dove's kits seems to be discriminated against for their "special" treatment.
A lot of this could have been solved if they were both honest with their clans and not be so selfish, sigh.
But back to my original point.
Leafpool was more redeemable. Leafpool owned up to her mistakes, mind you after she was outed, but she didn't run away from them. She stayed in her clan, and took whatever they threw at her. Even generations after the situation happened, and held her head up and returned to her position as medicine cat eventually. Do I think she deserved it? Personally no, I'm not to big on the whole 3 meddie thing, but am I against it? No. She has shown that she cares about her clan, and even other clans, she's called out leaders for their idiocies, and when they try to clap back about her past, she doesn't stray away or deny it and challenges them back. I actually like that she's grown a spine since the truth has came out. It's made her a stronger character.
On the other hand Dovewing has not owned up to her actions. When asked if she understood what it meant to leave ThunderClan, she said yes. She had came back with kits and they were ready to welcome her back, but she chose to go to ShadowClan, she made her choice and she said she understood. But then the moment she was given the opportunity she goes crawling back to them just to see her kin again. It was also when Puddleshine, her ShadowClan clanmate, her friggen medicine cat, was suffering from a near-death experience in Alderheart's den mind you. She took advantage of that situation so she'd have an opportunity to go see her clan again...and I just....yeah no. The even calls her out for showing up there so soon when she knows that tensions are high after what she did?? Don't even get me started on her literally talking trash about her birth clan to ShadowClan in TBC, that had me rolling, the audacity...Also the exile situation? She only does that out of guilt, and only continued to do it to not raise suspicion after finding out about the imposter, she really did not own up to any of her behavior. And that's not even scratching the surface.
So yeah, as far as character writing goes, Leafpool was more redeemable. But as far as in world writing goes, Dovewing's situation was more salvageable.
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Post by Fireleap on Mar 9, 2022 11:40:16 GMT -5
I'd say Leafpool. She went off with someone she knew and trusted to have her kits, and brought them to the safety of the Clans when they were old enough. Dovewing ran off into the unknown while pregnant without any support, endangering herself and her kits.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Mar 9, 2022 13:41:20 GMT -5
As others have already said, the situations of Leafpool and Dovewing were quite different from one another to properly compare them. Although, I'm still going with Leafpool on this one since she did not even have the same opportunity of a real choice in the matter, being a medicine cat who got influenced by StarClan both on her choice to run away with Crowfeather and later on about the upbringing of their kits, unlike Dovewing who had the chance to simply move on entirely from Tigerheart/star with "no kits attached" or could have later on at least told her Clan before joining his, instead of running away making everyone worry about and search for her way longer than was the case with Leafpool. Granted, her kits never had to or will have to grow up getting lied to about their parentage but it was still way more drawn out than it needed to be. She really could have made her decision sooner or not run far away from everything because of having supposed visions that something bad was going to happen.
I'll just say it here in case anyone thinks I hate either of them, I don't. Both of them are still likeable characters for me. But I'm wishing that their stories had been better.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Mar 9, 2022 13:45:40 GMT -5
i dont think their situations are very comparable.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Mar 9, 2022 14:32:20 GMT -5
The issue here is more complex than one would think. As far as character writing goes, Leafpool was more redeemable. But as far as in world writing goes, Dovewing's situation was more salvageable. To break it down, and I don't want to drag this too much, cause I'm typing on my laptop, and I'm still bedridden lol, basically it comes down to circumstance. A warrior breaking the code for a lover in another clan can easily be solved if the warrior just switch clans. The issue with Dovewing, from what I've seen, the consensus is less about her and her horrible chemistry with Tigerheart and more that they didn't make up their minds sooner. Their annoying on and off relationship was dragged through so many books, and ultimately also dragged other cats into the situation as well, and caused more trouble than it was worth. Such as the herb situation, ransom, using Bumble as a rebound, or Dovewing unnecessarily running away while pregnant, and so on. It was clear in AVoS that the Erins intended for them to stay a thing when they got back together for the 100th time, they were going to be the end game, but the back and forth drama would put LionCinder to shame. It didn't help that this drama culminated into a book you HAD to read as an SE, because it contained vital information leading into the next arc, so whether you liked Tigerheart or not, you didn't have many options here. It was shoved in your face regardless. On top of that the drama continues, somewhat, into TBC, with one of their children, since the other two are practically non-existant in that, but ya know whatever. On the other hand, Leafpool's situation is much much more complex, less annoying, but more baffling??? For one, LeafCrow was a very left field pairing. Say what you want about Tiger and Dove, but at least they had some sort of history? Even if I don't like it? But the span it took for LeafCrow to be a thing was incredibly spontaneous and rushed, and it felt like it was a thing just to fit the Fire/Tiger quota for the prophecy. Next, it is way more taboo, it's one thing for a cat to get with another cat from another clan, but it is another things for a medicine cat, which is like the equivalent of a nun, lol, to do it, it's quite friggen scandelous. (The rest of the clans didn't even know about how StarClan was involved with the cover up?? Imagine the reactions to that foolery.) Leafpool and Crowfeather broke two of the biggest taboos in the clans, which is why they so quickly opted to just run away instead, but and just elope. Because no matter what they did, they did not have the option DoveTiger would have, switching clans is not an option. I highly doubt Onestar would just let Leafpool join his clan as a warrior (and she's a horrid one mind you, doubt she'd make it as a WindClan Warrior when she can't even make it as a TC one) and Crowfeather joining TC would change nothing. It's even worse because Leafpool is the son of Firestar, this was greater reputation destroying than Dovewing, who was renowned as a hero from ThunderClan being branded a traitor while her sister defended her honor after the allegations got out about her and Tiger. In the end, the mistake here was that Leafpool chose too late, while Dovewing took too long to choose too despite having all the time in the world lol. Both of them get pregnant, and at that point, there's no turning back. One could argue, StarClan's hand in this, and them being manipulative to Leafpool, not Squirrelflight, do not bring her up, in the end it was her choice to help lmfao, but I mean Leafpool, they genuinely dooped her. But nah, Dovewing didn't have that kinda pressure on her shoulders when she found out she was pregnant, you can argue the dream situation? But that was brushed aside so easily by Daisy and the others it wasn't even funny, which made that plot so ridiculous it made the whole SE feel like a wild goose chase. Leafpool had her kits raised on a lie, she ruined a marriage, and yeah... And although her kits won't be raised on a lie, Dove's kits seems to be discriminated against for their "special" treatment. A lot of this could have been solved if they were both honest with their clans and not be so selfish, sigh. But back to my original point. Leafpool was more redeemable. Leafpool owned up to her mistakes, mind you after she was outed, but she didn't run away from them. She stayed in her clan, and took whatever they threw at her. Even generations after the situation happened, and held her head up and returned to her position as medicine cat eventually. Do I think she deserved it? Personally no, I'm not to big on the whole 3 meddie thing, but am I against it? No. She has shown that she cares about her clan, and even other clans, she's called out leaders for their idiocies, and when they try to clap back about her past, she doesn't stray away or deny it and challenges them back. I actually like that she's grown a spine since the truth has came out. It's made her a stronger character. On the other hand Dovewing has not owned up to her actions. When asked if she understood what it meant to leave ThunderClan, she said yes. She had came back with kits and they were ready to welcome her back, but she chose to go to ShadowClan, she made her choice and she said she understood. But then the moment she was given the opportunity she goes crawling back to them just to see her kin again. It was also when Puddleshine, her ShadowClan clanmate, her friggen medicine cat, was suffering from a near-death experience in Alderheart's den mind you. She took advantage of that situation so she'd have an opportunity to go see her clan again...and I just....yeah no. The even calls her out for showing up there so soon when she knows that tensions are high after what she did?? Don't even get me started on her literally talking trash about her birth clan to ShadowClan in TBC, that had me rolling, the audacity...Also the exile situation? She only does that out of guilt, and only continued to do it to not raise suspicion after finding out about the imposter, she really did not own up to any of her behavior. And that's not even scratching the surface. So yeah, as far as character writing goes, Leafpool was more redeemable. But as far as in world writing goes, Dovewing's situation was more salvageable. ^I was planning on typing up something. But really don’t think it’s necessary anymore lol. Leafpool’s codebreaking is more scandalous, arguably caused more harm and effected more cats in the long run. And will I don’t agree with how she handled the situation, especially afterwards were she refused to share her side of the story when Jayfeather genuinely wanted to know, like the beans have been spilled might as well come completely clean, clear your conscience or other, her kit’s deserved that at least. But it’s also a far more precarious situation with very few solutions, while Dovewing’s on the other hand is much more reconcilable, and she could of easily made a decision to swap clans much sooner if that’s what she wanted, and there would of been fewer hurdles to overcome( mostly she’d have to get Blackstar to allow her to change clans, and given Tawnypelt’s initial reaction in her novella, would have to persuade her as well) which would of been a far more surmountable task, and given she wasn’t on exact time constraints during the ordeal, or much pressure, she had plenty of time to make a clean, decisive decision rather than mishandling it and making it the mess it was. Heck she probably could of lied and said the kits we’re Bumblestripe’s to buy more time if necessary( scummy, but this is Warriors, they’d totally pop that pill). While Leafpool had no such luxury, she’s a medicine cat that’s not allowed to have kits period, everyone knew of her affair with Crowfeather so lying wouldn’t have worked to even try to soften the blow. Both made horrible decisions, and had their various aftermaths, but comparing their situations is like comparing night & day, they bear practically no similarities. And at least Leafpool took accountability for her misdeeds, and kept her head high and kept trudging forward through the wreckage and earned her clans trust back. Dovewing probably wouldn’t own up to any of her mistakes unless she was at gunpoint, even then I’m not sure. looks like I ended up typing something after all. And on that note I’ll end with the question that sparks in my mind everytime Dovewing is present.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 9, 2022 21:55:04 GMT -5
The issue here is more complex than one would think. As far as character writing goes, Leafpool was more redeemable. But as far as in world writing goes, Dovewing's situation was more salvageable. To break it down, and I don't want to drag this too much, cause I'm typing on my laptop, and I'm still bedridden lol, basically it comes down to circumstance.
A warrior breaking the code for a lover in another clan can easily be solved if the warrior just switch clans. The issue with Dovewing, from what I've seen, the consensus is less about her and her horrible chemistry with Tigerheart and more that they didn't make up their minds sooner. Their annoying on and off relationship was dragged through so many books, and ultimately also dragged other cats into the situation as well, and caused more trouble than it was worth. Such as the herb situation, ransom, using Bumble as a rebound, or Dovewing unnecessarily running away while pregnant, and so on.
It was clear in AVoS that the Erins intended for them to stay a thing when they got back together for the 100th time, they were going to be the end game, but the back and forth drama would put LionCinder to shame. It didn't help that this drama culminated into a book you HAD to read as an SE, because it contained vital information leading into the next arc, so whether you liked Tigerheart or not, you didn't have many options here. It was shoved in your face regardless. On top of that the drama continues, somewhat, into TBC, with one of their children, since the other two are practically non-existant in that, but ya know whatever.
On the other hand, Leafpool's situation is much much more complex, less annoying, but more baffling??? For one, LeafCrow was a very left field pairing. Say what you want about Tiger and Dove, but at least they had some sort of history? Even if I don't like it? But the span it took for LeafCrow to be a thing was incredibly spontaneous and rushed, and it felt like it was a thing just to fit the Fire/Tiger quota for the prophecy. Next, it is way more taboo, it's one thing for a cat to get with another cat from another clan, but it is another things for a medicine cat, which is like the equivalent of a nun, lol, to do it, it's quite friggen scandelous. (The rest of the clans didn't even know about how StarClan was involved with the cover up?? Imagine the reactions to that foolery.)
Leafpool and Crowfeather broke two of the biggest taboos in the clans, which is why they so quickly opted to just run away instead, but and just elope. Because no matter what they did, they did not have the option DoveTiger would have, switching clans is not an option. I highly doubt Onestar would just let Leafpool join his clan as a warrior (and she's a horrid one mind you, doubt she'd make it as a WindClan Warrior when she can't even make it as a TC one) and Crowfeather joining TC would change nothing. It's even worse because Leafpool is the son of Firestar, this was greater reputation destroying than Dovewing, who was renowned as a hero from ThunderClan being branded a traitor while her sister defended her honor after the allegations got out about her and Tiger.
In the end, the mistake here was that Leafpool chose too late, while Dovewing took too long to choose too despite having all the time in the world lol. Both of them get pregnant, and at that point, there's no turning back.
One could argue, StarClan's hand in this, and them being manipulative to Leafpool, not Squirrelflight, do not bring her up, in the end it was her choice to help lmfao, but I mean Leafpool, they genuinely dooped her. But nah, Dovewing didn't have that kinda pressure on her shoulders when she found out she was pregnant, you can argue the dream situation? But that was brushed aside so easily by Daisy and the others it wasn't even funny, which made that plot so ridiculous it made the whole SE feel like a wild goose chase.
Leafpool had her kits raised on a lie, she ruined a marriage, and yeah...
And although her kits won't be raised on a lie, Dove's kits seems to be discriminated against for their "special" treatment.
A lot of this could have been solved if they were both honest with their clans and not be so selfish, sigh.
But back to my original point.
Leafpool was more redeemable. Leafpool owned up to her mistakes, mind you after she was outed, but she didn't run away from them. She stayed in her clan, and took whatever they threw at her. Even generations after the situation happened, and held her head up and returned to her position as medicine cat eventually. Do I think she deserved it? Personally no, I'm not to big on the whole 3 meddie thing, but am I against it? No. She has shown that she cares about her clan, and even other clans, she's called out leaders for their idiocies, and when they try to clap back about her past, she doesn't stray away or deny it and challenges them back. I actually like that she's grown a spine since the truth has came out. It's made her a stronger character.
On the other hand Dovewing has not owned up to her actions. When asked if she understood what it meant to leave ThunderClan, she said yes. She had came back with kits and they were ready to welcome her back, but she chose to go to ShadowClan, she made her choice and she said she understood. But then the moment she was given the opportunity she goes crawling back to them just to see her kin again. It was also when Puddleshine, her ShadowClan clanmate, her friggen medicine cat, was suffering from a near-death experience in Alderheart's den mind you. She took advantage of that situation so she'd have an opportunity to go see her clan again...and I just....yeah no. The even calls her out for showing up there so soon when she knows that tensions are high after what she did?? Don't even get me started on her literally talking trash about her birth clan to ShadowClan in TBC, that had me rolling, the audacity...Also the exile situation? She only does that out of guilt, and only continued to do it to not raise suspicion after finding out about the imposter, she really did not own up to any of her behavior. And that's not even scratching the surface.
So yeah, as far as character writing goes, Leafpool was more redeemable. But as far as in world writing goes, Dovewing's situation was more salvageable. ^I was planning on typing up something. But really don’t think it’s necessary anymore lol. Leafpool’s codebreaking is more scandalous, arguably caused more harm and effected more cats in the long run. And will I don’t agree with how she handled the situation, especially afterwards were she refused to share her side of the story when Jayfeather genuinely wanted to know, like the beans have been spilled might as well come completely clean, clear your conscience or other, her kit’s deserved that at least. But it’s also a far more precarious situation with very few solutions, while Dovewing’s on the other hand is much more reconcilable, and she could of easily made a decision to swap clans much sooner if that’s what she wanted, and there would of been fewer hurdles to overcome( mostly she’d have to get Blackstar to allow her to change clans, and given Tawnypelt’s initial reaction in her novella, would have to persuade her as well) which would of been a far more surmountable task, and given she wasn’t on exact time constraints during the ordeal, or much pressure, she had plenty of time to make a clean, decisive decision rather than mishandling it and making it the mess it was. Heck she probably could of lied and said the kits we’re Bumblestripe’s to buy more time if necessary( scummy, but this is Warriors, they’d totally pop that pill). While Leafpool had no such luxury, she’s a medicine cat that’s not allowed to have kits period, everyone knew of her affair with Crowfeather so lying wouldn’t have worked to even try to soften the blow. Both made horrible decisions, and had their various aftermaths, but comparing their situations is like comparing night & day, they bear practically no similarities. And at least Leafpool took accountability for her misdeeds, and kept her head high and kept trudging forward through the wreckage and earned her clans trust back. Dovewing probably wouldn’t own up to any of her mistakes unless she was at gunpoint, even then I’m not sure. looks like I ended up typing something after all. And on that note I’ll end with the question that sparks in my mind everytime Dovewing is present. Exactly, their situations aren't very comparable. They both made stupid decisions yes, and Leafpool's actions, at least repuation wise because of her position as a medicine cat, and lying about the three was indeed more damaging, no one is arguing that for sure. It didn't help that StarClan were very adamant about swaying her to go back to the clans and raising the three as clan cats, they HAD to be, she didn't have a choice, her ancestors were telling her it was her duty, and strangle holding her duty as a medicine cat to do that, which was messed up. But like she never, and I mean NEVER, had the luxury of choice like Dovewing had. Dovewing had every opportunity, for the longest time, to make her choice, and she only does it when kits FINALLY get involved, and the two of them even acknowledge this. By saying "it'll be much harder now" cause they can't exactly hide their secret anymore, yeah no duh?? And then instead of facing that said issue, she ran away, and put her unborn children in danger??? And she didn't even give Tigerheart much of a choice, forcing him into an ultimatum, before running off, and causing her kin to panic over her safety. It was childish, and selfish. The only reason it worked out in the end, shockingly, is because of Tigerheart, and I can say that even though I don't even like the guy. If Tigerheart hadn't gone after her, brought her back safely, and also just happen to become leader later, Dovewing wouldn't have gotten off so scott free like she did. She didn't own up to any of her actions, then turns around and still tries to have her cake and eat it too, while also bad mouthing her own birth clan. She's learned nothing. It's why I said Leafpool's character is more redeemable, but Dovewing's situation was more salvagable and that's only because she's a warrior, and not a medicine cat like Leafpool, and her mate happened to be a Clan leader so she and their family gets "special treatment".
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Post by Cloudstorm on Mar 10, 2022 4:42:26 GMT -5
So to quickly conclude. Imo Leafpool handled her situation better. No I don’t exactly agree with how she conducted herself, or the decisions she made throughout the whole ordeal, but all things considered she probably did about as well as she could, given her time constraint, the fact she’d just lost her Mentor, her mate, and then having her medicine cat status being placed in jeopardy( though by her fault) and possible banishment for her scandalous actions. Their was an inordinate amount of pressure on her from other factors at the time that obviously effected her judgement. And she owned up to her mistakes and worked hard to make amends after everything came crumbling down around her.
Dovewing however, had minimal constraints, not near as much pressure weighing down on her shoulders. And only took 3+ Years to come to a verdict on, which is about 1/3 of an average cats lifespan in this series, or to put in perspective the equivalent of about 25-30 years to decide whether or not to marry someone. And even after that much time to devote to making a sound decision, she still manages to make the most idiotic and nonsensical move forward, and just overcomplicates and makes everything a precarious and haphazard mess, that still required intervention from Tigerheart to turn out well in the end, which is a colossal miracle even then, giving she could of very easily been picked off by a predator when she ran off by herself, go into premature labor and die from complications alone in the wilderness? Like there’s countless ways things could have easily gone horrifically wrong and turned tragic. And it’s astounding and a blessing that it ended okay for her in the end(and plot armor, loads of that as well). So after only 3+ years of dragging everyone needlessly into her drama, and being more “experienced” then Leafpool was when she had the 3. She still managed to flounder miserably, and have nothing better than some half-baked plan that could of so easily backfired on her, and demanded someone else to come in and fix her problem for her in the end anyways. Definitely qualifies as small brain strats, and poorly handled. Sure she might have came out cleaner compared to Leafpool once the dust settled sort of speak, but only because it was a much more minor taboo then leafpool’s, and far less at stake to begin with.
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Post by Aqua on Mar 10, 2022 10:07:42 GMT -5
I feel like ppl forgot that Leafpool kept lying to her kits to save her clan. Sure, she messed up by abandoning them and taking Crowfeather as a mate, but in the end she never regretted having them, she was always there for them when they needed her, and kept her promise to Cinderpelt. She HAD to lie to save her clan; she didn't have a choice
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