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Post by π±ππππππππππ on Mar 6, 2022 18:17:52 GMT -5
I just watched this video by Sunnyfall and definitely agree that certain characters from the TNP arc tend to get a lot of unnecessary spotlight to this day while other protagonists either did not get it as much (TBC) or kind off faded into the background afterwards (Ivypool from OotS and Violetshine from AVoS for example) but I'm still very attached to it. Granted this was not a "perfect arc" by any means. Then again, nothing in this series can really be called flawless or anything like that in the end, after all. It's just very nostalgic and memorable for me to this day though.
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Post by πdappleπ (formerly freckle) on Mar 7, 2022 9:47:06 GMT -5
I think much of the Fandom has noticed this too. How the editors just refuse to kill off older generation cats for the sake of marketability. Though honestly I'd be more interested to read about new cats as the older ones phase out and see how clan politics and how cats act change! Like boomers to millennials to gen z and seeing how generational divides and gaps change. That's why I was so interested in AVOS ShadowClan but we can't have anything of the sort similar in ThunderClan because ThunderClan already has old cats while for ShadowClan it was one of the few times they kinda had to build up a cast of older cats.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Mar 7, 2022 12:20:10 GMT -5
I'm one of the minority who disliked TNP, so I've never cared about or been thrilled by TNP characters in the spotlight. Actually, I don't think I've ever liked any of the TNP main characters. So its pretty annoying how much theyve overstayed their welcome.
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Post by π±ππππππππππ on Mar 7, 2022 12:36:23 GMT -5
I'm one of the minority who disliked TNP, so I've never cared about or been thrilled by TNP characters in the spotlight. Actually, I don't think I've ever liked any of the TNP main characters. So its pretty annoying how much theyve overstayed their welcome. I'm a big fan of the TNP arc (mostly for nostalgic childhood memory reasons) and even I want to see all of the characters from that arc as well as some more from the PoT one to get killed off soon. As well as the remaining ones from TPB. Or at least let them retreat into the background so more newer cats can finally have the spotlight to themselves. It's crazy to me how Ivypool and Violetshine both only had one arc (not even as protagonists on their own) but afterwards faded mostly into the endless sea of characters with only a few mentions here and there while Bramblestar and Squirrelflight are still running around being important to the plot in the latest complete arc. Granted, they are both highly ranked members of their Clan but still. Just get rid of them by letting these two (plus Crowfeather and Tawnypelt while they are at it) ascend to StarClan already. Or take notes from Stormfur who only shows up occasionally without ever really being important (that was harsh I know).
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Mar 7, 2022 13:53:03 GMT -5
I'm one of the minority who disliked TNP, so I've never cared about or been thrilled by TNP characters in the spotlight. Actually, I don't think I've ever liked any of the TNP main characters. So its pretty annoying how much theyve overstayed their welcome. I'm a big fan of the TNP arc (mostly for nostalgic childhood memory reasons) and even I want to see all of the characters from that arc as well as some more from the PoT one to get killed off soon. As well as the remaining ones from TPB. Or at least let them retreat into the background so more newer cats can finally have the spotlight to themselves. It's crazy to me how Ivypool and Violetshine both only had one arc (not even as protagonists on their own) but afterwards faded mostly into the endless sea of characters with only a few mentions here and there while Bramblestar and Squirrelflight are still running around being important to the plot in the latest complete arc. Granted, they are both highly ranked members of their Clan but still. Just get rid of them by letting these two (plus Crowfeather and Tawnypelt while they are at it) ascend to StarClan already. Or take notes from Stormfur who only shows up occasionally without ever really being important (that was harsh I know). i think that they are OLD and its dumb for them to both be in leadership positions without at least the narrative pointing out that they should practically be using walkers to get around at this point.
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Post by Emeraldripple on Mar 7, 2022 16:07:42 GMT -5
It's an extension of the Firestar problem to me. Because the TNP protagonists are the most established living protagonists right now, they've all just stuck around far past their roles in the story feeling relevant. It's like fanservice nobody actually asked for, and this is coming from someone who adored characters like Tawnypelt and Squirrelflight back when it felt like they were really contributing to the story.
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Post by ααͺα α½ αΎf fαͺαα αΎms γβ on Mar 7, 2022 17:02:07 GMT -5
sunny's video is what i've been saying for ages and why i blame TNP for everything. everything comes from TNP and it just snowballs from there and arcs get worse and worse. Po3 was good but it was ultimately wasted by not doing the three arc there, and just putting focus back on squirrel, bramble, ash. OotS was infamously terrible overall. AVOS was half baked and awful by the second half. TBC, to me at least, is by far the worst and it's entire plot and premise is stupid from its core and foundation (once again, squirrel, bramble, ash focus over the current protags. past protags dont become as important as the protags from TNP which is STUPID).
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Post by πdappleπ (formerly freckle) on Mar 8, 2022 6:40:00 GMT -5
sunny's video is what i've been saying for ages and why i blame TNP for everything. everything comes from TNP and it just snowballs from there and arcs get worse and worse. Po3 was good but it was ultimately wasted by not doing the three arc there, and just putting focus back on squirrel, bramble, ash. OotS was infamously terrible overall. AVOS was half baked and awful by the second half. TBC, to me at least, is by far the worst and it's entire plot and premise is stupid from its core and foundation (once again, squirrel, bramble, ash focus over the current protags. past protags dont become as important as the protags from TNP which is STUPID). Honestly power of three may as well have referenced Bramble, Squirrel and Ash from the start.π And TBC may as well have been called PoT part 2
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Post by π±ππππππππππ on Mar 8, 2022 9:05:38 GMT -5
On the topic of a certain situation in this series: When I first found out that the BrambleSquirrelAsh love triangle disaster would still be relevant in the now finished TBC arc, I thought it was hilarious. But now, it's honestly just really annoying to even think about these days and I'm glad it finally seems to be over. That is until the new editors decide to probably bring Jessy back so we can have at least two more arcs of another unnecessary romance drama with SquirrelBrambleJessy taking the spotlight away from other protagonists instead. *shudders*
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Cloudstorm
Donβt let it kill you. Even when it hurts like hell.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Mar 8, 2022 13:31:53 GMT -5
On the topic of a certain situation in this series: When I first found out that the BrambleSquirrelAsh love triangle disaster would still be relevant in the now finished TBC arc, I thought it was hilarious. But now, it's honestly just really annoying to even think about these days and I'm glad it finally seems to be over. That is until the new editors decide to probably bring Jessy back so we can have at least two more arcs of another unnecessary romance drama with SquirrelBrambleJessy taking the spotlight away from other protagonists instead. *shudders* if that happens, I want Bramblestar to break up with Squirrelflight permanently, and have him tell her itβs because her rollercoaster emotions are too exhausting for him to handle anymore in his old age.
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Post by π±ππππππππππ on Mar 8, 2022 14:31:36 GMT -5
On the topic of a certain situation in this series: When I first found out that the BrambleSquirrelAsh love triangle disaster would still be relevant in the now finished TBC arc, I thought it was hilarious. But now, it's honestly just really annoying to even think about these days and I'm glad it finally seems to be over. That is until the new editors decide to probably bring Jessy back so we can have at least two more arcs of another unnecessary romance drama with SquirrelBrambleJessy taking the spotlight away from other protagonists instead. *shudders* if that happens, I want Bramblestar to break up with Squirrelflight permanently, and have him tell her itβs because her rollercoaster emotions are too exhausting for him to handle anymore in his old age. I would want all of them to die from old age simultaneously on the spot while arguing with each other if the SquirrelBrambleJessy situation ever dares to pop up again.
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