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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Feb 18, 2022 9:15:08 GMT -5
The reason I'm making that thread is due to this new PMV which just got posted yesterday and once again reminded me of why I do not and will never understand this ship or people who look at it and go: "Oh, this is so much better than toxic BrambleSquirrel!" It really isn't. Before I continue, please keep in mind that this is just my opinion and I'm not trying to prevent anyone from shipping Squirrelflight with other characters. By all means, go right ahead with that, I do too since her canon relationship with Bramblestar was never to my liking anyways. It's just that my overall stance on MoonSquirrel is that Squirrelflight deserves someone much better than Moonlight. If there is one Sister I would actually ship Squirrelflight with, it's Sunrise (Tree's sister). Here's the PMV: I do like this video, the color scheme, song choice and concept showing both Bramblestar and Moonlight without eyes to symbolize them not really seeing Squirrelflight for who she is (Moonlight at the start and Bramblestar at the so called end of their relationship) seems very fitting. Also, Moonlight symbolizing water to calm Squirrelflight's fire instead of riling her up further like Bramblestar would do with his own fire is an interesting take as well even though I disagree with it (Remember Ashfur also getting compared to water that would only hold Squirrelflight back in canon?) So, this by no means meant as disrespect to the creator or their project. With that out of the way, *takes a deep breath*: MoonSquirrel would have been just as toxic/is just as unhealthy as BrambleSquirrel.
Here's why: During Squirrelflight's Hope, Moonlight is repeatedly shown to act superior or outright disrespectful towards Squirrelflight (and other cats including her son Tree). Granted, the Clans weren't at their best behaviour towards the Sisters either but this is not about the "Clans vs Sisters" conflict, this is about how Moonlight treated Squirrelflight even though she was one of the only Clan cats who wanted to solve the entire situation peacefully from the start. She does not listen to her advice and instead remains stubborn and prideful about her decision to stay put. Sounds familiar, right? That's because Bramblestar is shown to act the exact same as Moonlight in this cursed book. I've said it before in another thread on this matter and I'll say it again, Moonlight reminds me of Bramblestar in the sense that they are both huge cats with equally big egos that want to be in control of those around them and don't like it when someone disagrees with their opinions. I said this during Feburary of last year and I'm saying it now because it still holds true, in my eyes. By the way, here's the thread I referred to just in case anyone wants to check that out as well to see some opinions on this ship from last year: wcrpforums.com/thread/81790/moonlight-squirrelflight
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Feb 18, 2022 9:54:04 GMT -5
It would have been WAAAY worse, Squirrelflight deserves better, really. All her mates treat her so badly. Also Moonlight's sexism towards toms would clash against Squirrelflight's love towards her sons, to the point that maybe Moonlight would try to push her beliefs to Squirrel, probably giving her the cold shoulder when they disagree.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Feb 18, 2022 10:24:31 GMT -5
I don't ship it at all.
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Post by vectoring34 on Feb 18, 2022 10:39:34 GMT -5
It's a well-done video, even if I dislike the ship. The eyes thing is especially neat
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Feb 18, 2022 14:19:29 GMT -5
the only non-toxic option for squirrelflight was shrewpaw and the moment he had any characterization or a moment with her, he died soon after so .... RIP.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Feb 18, 2022 14:47:30 GMT -5
the only non-toxic option for squirrelflight was shrewpaw and the moment he had any characterization or a moment with her, he died soon after so .... RIP. Did he ever have a real moment with her though? Don't get me wrong, I liked Shrewpaw for the four books (including Firestar's Quest) he was in. But him and Squirrelpaw only went on one patrol together during Midnight were she was annoyed at something (not him though maybe Brambleclaw, can't remember right now) and that's it. She's not even at his funeral in Dawn. Her claiming they were friends somewhere in Twilight came a bit out of nowhere considering we never actually saw them as such in the books. Perhaps there were some hints that I missed/forgot but they barely had any canon interactions. Maybe off-screen, who knows. Him being a good option as her mate is just a bit pointless to me since noticing that. Because by that logic, Rainwhisker, Sootfur or Thornclaw could have been as well. They (alongside Mr. Toxic Waste himself also known as Ashfur) were portrayed to be friends with her during Twilight after all. Spiderleg (Shrewpaw's brother) or Stormfur (despite being Brambleclaw's age) are other male options as well. Tawnypelt and Feathertail are good female options too (despite me liking and preferring BrambleFeather way more). Crowfeather is my favorite out of the potential male mates for her but he is not exactly considered "non-toxic" in general.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Feb 18, 2022 15:36:22 GMT -5
the only non-toxic option for squirrelflight was shrewpaw and the moment he had any characterization or a moment with her, he died soon after so .... RIP. Did he ever have a real moment with her though? Don't get me wrong, I liked Shrewpaw for the four books (including Firestar's Quest) he was in. But him and Squirrelpaw only went on one patrol together during Midnight were she was annoyed at something (not him though maybe Brambleclaw, can't remember right now) and that's it. She's not even at his funeral in Dawn. Her claiming they were friends somewhere in Twilight came a bit out of nowhere considering we never actually saw them as such in the books. Perhaps there were some hints that I missed/forgot but they barely had any canon interactions. Maybe off-screen, who knows. Him being a good option as her mate is just a bit pointless to me since noticing that. Because by that logic, Rainwhisker, Sootfur or Thornclaw could have been as well. They (alongside Mr. Toxic Waste himself also known as Ashfur) were portrayed to be friends with her during Twilight after all. Spiderleg (Shrewpaw's brother) or Stormfur (despite being Brambleclaw's age) are other male options as well. Tawnypelt and Feathertail are good female options too (despite me liking and preferring BrambleFeather way more). Crowfeather is my favorite out of the potential male mates for her but he is not exactly considered "non-toxic" in general. no, im referring to their interactions in dawn. rainwhisker and sootfur dont get on screen lines or personalities showcased with the POV characters, but shrewpaw does which is why squirrel x shrew is popoular in AU's in the first place. from what he showed in the last scene he's in with squirrelpaw, he was caring toward her.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Feb 18, 2022 15:48:25 GMT -5
Did he ever have a real moment with her though? Don't get me wrong, I liked Shrewpaw for the four books (including Firestar's Quest) he was in. But him and Squirrelpaw only went on one patrol together during Midnight were she was annoyed at something (not him though maybe Brambleclaw, can't remember right now) and that's it. She's not even at his funeral in Dawn. Her claiming they were friends somewhere in Twilight came a bit out of nowhere considering we never actually saw them as such in the books. Perhaps there were some hints that I missed/forgot but they barely had any canon interactions. Maybe off-screen, who knows. Him being a good option as her mate is just a bit pointless to me since noticing that. Because by that logic, Rainwhisker, Sootfur or Thornclaw could have been as well. They (alongside Mr. Toxic Waste himself also known as Ashfur) were portrayed to be friends with her during Twilight after all. Spiderleg (Shrewpaw's brother) or Stormfur (despite being Brambleclaw's age) are other male options as well. Tawnypelt and Feathertail are good female options too (despite me liking and preferring BrambleFeather way more). Crowfeather is my favorite out of the potential male mates for her but he is not exactly considered "non-toxic" in general. no, im referring to their interactions in dawn. rainwhisker and sootfur dont get on screen lines or personalities showcased with the POV characters, but shrewpaw does which is why squirrel x shrew is popoular in AU's in the first place. from what he showed in the last scene he's in with squirrelpaw, he was caring toward her. Oh, I'm not trying to dispute that he might have been caring towards her before getting killed off. But that doesn't change the fact that there are other toms who also cared about Squirrelflight or were considered to be friends with her in canon and could be viewed as "non-toxic" mate options as well. Shrewpaw is a possibilty among quite a few others. Not the only one. By the way, both Sootfur at the end of Twilight and later Rainwhisker in between Leafpool's Wish/the start of PoT were also killed off without any real reason except to seemingly give Sorreltail pain. So there's another thing they have in common with Shrewpaw besides being alleged friends with Squirrelflight. You were referring to this, right?: "You're not a medicine cat. No cat's going to go on a rescue mission in the middle of the night because you had a dream. They might listen to you in the morning, though. Settle down and go back to sleep." — Shrewpaw to Squirrelpaw in Dawn, page 96
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Post by Rainfire on Feb 18, 2022 16:07:15 GMT -5
The art in the video is GORGEOUS and I love it! I also LOVE the colors and designs for Squirrel, Moonlight, and Bramble! Really cool PMV!
I don't like MoonSquirrel as a ship though. idc if other people ship it or whatever, but I'm definitely not a fan of it.
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Post by 𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥 on Feb 18, 2022 16:16:49 GMT -5
the only non-toxic option for squirrelflight was shrewpaw and the moment he had any characterization or a moment with her, he died soon after so .... RIP. And maybe Stormfur? I always thought of him as a good partner for someone as fiery as Squirrelflight.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Feb 18, 2022 17:13:26 GMT -5
the only non-toxic option for squirrelflight was shrewpaw and the moment he had any characterization or a moment with her, he died soon after so .... RIP. And maybe Stormfur? I always thought of him as a good partner for someone as fiery as Squirrelflight. stormfur gives me pre-toxic ashfur vibes for how weird he was about his crush on her...so idk i disagree. both stormfur and ashfur seemed to be the types to coddle her which she didnt like. just my opinion though.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Feb 18, 2022 18:08:48 GMT -5
Video = good. MoonSquirrel = bad. I'd never ship them together. Blehhh.
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Post by 𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥 on Feb 19, 2022 16:09:58 GMT -5
And maybe Stormfur? I always thought of him as a good partner for someone as fiery as Squirrelflight. stormfur gives me pre-toxic ashfur vibes for how weird he was about his crush on her...so idk i disagree. both stormfur and ashfur seemed to be the types to coddle her which she didnt like. just my opinion though. Yeah you have a point there.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 19, 2022 19:00:54 GMT -5
And maybe Stormfur? I always thought of him as a good partner for someone as fiery as Squirrelflight. stormfur gives me pre-toxic ashfur vibes for how weird he was about his crush on her...so idk i disagree. both stormfur and ashfur seemed to be the types to coddle her which she didnt like. just my opinion though. No offense, but I'm confused...how so now? From what I remembered Stormfur was respectful of Squirrepaw, and even admired her for her personality. But he was still a warrior, and when he had to side with the other warriors in the group he did, I'm not sure how that's similar to "pre-toxic" Ashfur? Do you mind explaining further? Because Ashfur, even before the rejection, was quite suffocating, and tried to always be protective of Squirrel, even though he had good intentions, she didn't like it. While Stormfur on the other hand never acted on his feelings, and was just a genuinely good friend. He even makes it a point to scold Feathertail later for wanting to act on her feelings and be in a relationship with Crowpaw.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Feb 25, 2022 21:20:05 GMT -5
This ship frankly carries many connotations and undertones reminiscent of a certain infamous Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time article written by a particularly polarizing gaming journalist that is unmentionable due to its questionable content. With its knock you off your rocker, outlandish logic and reasoning. Now regardless of what ones stance is on Bramblestar, whether you deem him abusive to Squirrelflight or not. I find it quite perplexing and befuddling to think anyone would believe Moonlight is a remotely healthy alternative. She would arguably be worse, being she’s been shown to be very manipulating and controlling of others, often gaslighting and invalidating others feelings and emotions. She also gives off some pretty alarming “Dark Empath” vibes, which are the some the most dangerous and toxic types of people to be in any kind of a relationship with, platonic or romantic, given their deceitful nature and being capable to easily get inside your head and figure out your desires, fears, weaknesses etc and are experts of using those things against you, to get what they want. They’d be much worse, and Squirrelflight would be abused and reduced to a shell of her former self. Strongly hate the pairing, and can’t understand why anyone would like it.
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