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Post by ααͺα α½ αΎf fαͺαα αΎms γβ on Feb 13, 2022 20:29:36 GMT -5
that cat is never born. how is the arc they're from affected by it?
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Post by π―ππππ¦π±π£π―π¬π°π± on Feb 13, 2022 20:48:48 GMT -5
Welp, my first thought was Gray Wing, so the Clans probably wouldn't exist as we know them lmao.
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Post by ααͺα α½ αΎf fαͺαα αΎms γβ on Feb 13, 2022 20:56:15 GMT -5
Welp, my first thought was Gray Wing, so the Clans probably wouldn't exist as we know them lmao. i wonder which dotc cat would come up with the clan thing instead. there's a lot of good things gray wing contributed to. even being the dad to thunder was important! if clear sky raised thunder, oh boooy
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Post by Seven on Feb 13, 2022 20:56:28 GMT -5
Sandstorm. No firekin..
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Post by π±ππππππππππ on Feb 14, 2022 9:28:33 GMT -5
Firestar. WELL, HECK! Not only would there be no "Firekin" as we know it, except if Princess still exists and either takes her nonexistent brother's place or births Cloudtail so he becomes the important one, but also the question who stands up to Tigerstar due to all of that "destiny stuff" since neither Princess or Cloudtail seem up for it. Maybe Ravenpaw. Oh, shit...
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Post by *β’.ΒΈβ‘π₯π’πΈπ―π³π°π΄π¦β‘ΒΈ.β’* on Feb 14, 2022 9:31:31 GMT -5
Squirrelflight.
Eh. No TBC, PoT, and OoTS (and her SE)
Wait no, PoT and OoTS but different I guess? WindClan three? Love her but that sounds nice
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Post by dreamingof on Feb 14, 2022 9:39:09 GMT -5
Dovewing was the 1st one I thought of. Uh, so I guess the clans were wiped out or had to relocate because of the drought from TFA.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Feb 14, 2022 9:40:00 GMT -5
Bluestar.
Who would be leader in her place, I wonder? Who would be the ThunderClan leader to greet Rusty?
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Post by *β’.ΒΈβ‘π₯π’πΈπ―π³π°π΄π¦β‘ΒΈ.β’* on Feb 14, 2022 9:49:54 GMT -5
Bluestar. Who would be leader in her place, I wonder? Who would be the ThunderClan leader to greet Rusty? Possibly Thistleclaw as leader.... *shudders* no. I don't think that Thistleclaw would take Rusty in
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Post by π±ππππππππππ on Feb 14, 2022 9:59:27 GMT -5
Bluestar. Who would be leader in her place, I wonder? Who would be the ThunderClan leader to greet Rusty? Possibly Thistleclaw as leader.... *shudders* no. I don't think that Thistleclaw would take Rusty in Didn't Sunstar say that he never seriously considered Thistleclaw for the deputy position though? Or it was at least confirmed somewhere that he would not have choosen him instead of Bluefur even if she had somehow not been able to accept this role? I swear that something like it was mentioned either in universe or by one of the authors. Anyways, I'll take his half-brother Thrushpelt or his sister Rosetail over him as leader any day.
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Post by *β’.ΒΈβ‘π₯π’πΈπ―π³π°π΄π¦β‘ΒΈ.β’* on Feb 14, 2022 10:07:45 GMT -5
Possibly Thistleclaw as leader.... *shudders* no. I don't think that Thistleclaw would take Rusty in Didn't Sunstar say that he never seriously considered Thistleclaw for the deputy position though? Or it was at least confirmed somewhere that he would not have choosen him instead of Bluefur even if she had somehow not been able to accept this role? I swear that something like it was mentioned either in universe or by one of the authors. Anyways, I'll take his half-brother Thrushpelt or his sister Rosetail over him as leader any day. Maybe? I forgot about that lol. Rosestar is such a pretty name :0
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Post by πdappleπ (formerly freckle) on Feb 14, 2022 10:16:40 GMT -5
Cloudtail...
Welp- no Cloudkin! There's still Firekin though. But I think that'd lead to slightly less related relationships? Overtime anyway.
So we have no: Dovewing Ivypool Shadowsight Bristlefrost Whitewing Snowbush (I think)
I mean that's about two arcs worth of protagonists gone (OOTS and TBC)
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Post by kells on Feb 14, 2022 10:40:56 GMT -5
you said quick, think of a cat so I thought of quick water. so, sun shadow and tall shadow don't die, not bad
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Feb 14, 2022 10:47:02 GMT -5
Flipclaw, I'd be really really sad but it probably wouldn't effect the plot all that much tbh
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Post by ααͺα α½ αΎf fαͺαα αΎms γβ on Feb 14, 2022 14:45:40 GMT -5
Firestar. WELL, HECK! Not only would there be no "Firekin" as we know it, except if Princess still exists and either takes her nonexistent brother's place or births Cloudtail so he becomes the important one, but also the question who stands up to Tigerstar due to all of that "destiny stuff" since neither Princess or Cloudtail seem up for it. Maybe Ravenpaw. Oh, shit... the ravenpaw meme killed me lmao i had an AU where firestar never existed, and the protag was ravenpaw. he managed to survive tigerclaw because he told graypaw about everything,and then they told spottedleaf, and spottedleaf managed to tell bluestar, so they got the ball rolling on tigerclaw very early on. idk how realistic it'd be if things went down like that, but i can dream
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Post by ααͺα α½ αΎf fαͺαα αΎms γβ on Feb 14, 2022 14:46:29 GMT -5
Cloudtail... Welp- no Cloudkin! There's still Firekin though. But I think that'd lead to slightly less related relationships? Overtime anyway. So we have no: Dovewing Ivypool Shadowsight Bristlefrost Whitewing Snowbush (I think) I mean that's about two arcs worth of protagonists gone (OOTS and TBC) since cloudkin is just a secondary branch off of firekin, i wonder how much would change. dust x fern would not get with firekin through birch x white, and same again for lily x snow.
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Post by ααͺα α½ αΎf fαͺαα αΎms γβ on Feb 14, 2022 14:47:14 GMT -5
Dovewing was the 1st one I thought of. Uh, so I guess the clans were wiped out or had to relocate because of the drought from TFA. no dovewing! hollyleaf party time!
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Post by πdappleπ (formerly freckle) on Feb 14, 2022 14:50:08 GMT -5
Cloudtail... Welp- no Cloudkin! There's still Firekin though. But I think that'd lead to slightly less related relationships? Overtime anyway. So we have no: Dovewing Ivypool Shadowsight Bristlefrost Whitewing Snowbush (I think) I mean that's about two arcs worth of protagonists gone (OOTS and TBC) since cloudkin is just a secondary branch off of firekin, i wonder how much would change. dust x fern would not get with firekin through birch x white, and same again for lily x snow. Seeing as Bristlefrost kills Ashfur The clans would be quite screwed I believeπ
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Post by ααͺα α½ αΎf fαͺαα αΎms γβ on Feb 14, 2022 14:54:15 GMT -5
since cloudkin is just a secondary branch off of firekin, i wonder how much would change. dust x fern would not get with firekin through birch x white, and same again for lily x snow. Seeing as Bristlefrost kills Ashfur The clans would be quite screwed I believeπ i feel like any cat could take her place in TBC. just my opinion. its just like how in AVOS, any cat could have taken alderheart's place too. being firekin doesnt mean they're the only ones capable of doing the protag deeds.
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Post by π―ππππ¦π±π£π―π¬π°π± on Feb 14, 2022 16:54:03 GMT -5
Welp, my first thought was Gray Wing, so the Clans probably wouldn't exist as we know them lmao. i wonder which dotc cat would come up with the clan thing instead. there's a lot of good things gray wing contributed to. even being the dad to thunder was important! if clear sky raised thunder, oh boooy I think there are plenty of things that would've been similar. They still ultimately would've divided up into Clans, there would still be five of them, etc. But a LOT of things would be different, too. For one, I don't think Thunder would've ended up as leader of a Clan at all. I think if Gray Wing hadn't been there, either Clear Sky would've raised him, or worse, he would've been left to die (nobody else would've been as drawn to take him in as Gray Wing, since Thunder was the kit of Gray Wing's brother and the cat he was in love with at the time). Someone might have taken him in, but there are no cats I can think of who would've immediately made that decision (consider how many of the cats in Tall Shadow's group at the time didn't want to take him in). Thunder would have become a very different cat regardless, though, without Gray Wing to raise him. Personally, I think if Thunder hadn't been the one to lead the exodus from Clear Sky's group to form their own, it likely would've been either Owl Eyes or Leaf. So ThunderClan would've been formed, but it wouldn't be ThunderCllan as we know it. Also, without Gray Wing, what are the chances that Tall Shadow's group would've befriended Wind and Gorse? If they never became friends, what would that mean for WindClan? Would Wind and Gorse have decided to join a group at all, had it not been for Gray Wing? What about Turtle Tail and her kits? Would Turtle Tail have left the moor to become a kittypet had she not been upset by Gray Wing not being interested in her? If she didn't become a kittypet, would she have kits? Ultimately all of her kits grow up to be important (Pebble Heart becomes a medicine cat, of course, and Owl Eyes and Sparrow Fur both become deputies) - what would've happened had they never been born? I think ShadowClan and RiverClan are the only Clans that would be completely unchanged. But SkyClan would change too - what would happen if Clear Sky didn't end up on such bad terms with Gray Wing? Would the First Battle ever have happened? If the battle never happened, what would've caused the spirit cats to interact with the living cats? Would they have? There's a lot that would change if Gray Wing weren't in the story. And I don't know why I thought so much about it but I did lmao.
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Post by Alexisawe on Feb 14, 2022 17:49:52 GMT -5
Hawkfrost Hmm. This is gonna be tough for me because I can hardly remember what happened in TNP aside from the Great Journey, Mudclaw's rebellion, and Bramble killing Hawk(and even then, they're all pretty fuzzy for me), but I'll try my best. Firstly, would Mothwing even become a medicine cat? The only reason they fully accepted her as one is that they believed they got a sign from StarClan, when it was actually faked by Hawkfrost. That alone would likely have vast consequences because that would mean that RiverClan would be left without a medicine cat, at least until Willowshine is born. Secondly, and on a better note, Mudclaw's rebellion may not have happened. Hawkfrost would not be there to manipulate Mudclaw and convince him that Onestar was bad news. That could possibly change Onestar's entire leadership, and lead Onestar to still be open for a friendship with ThunderClan. Onestar could be a reasonable leader. Thirdly, Firestar would have an extra life. He wouldn't die from the fox trap, and Firestar could even be alive after the Last Hope. Also, Ivypool may not have trained in the dark forest, though I'm pretty sure Hawkfrost would just be replaced with another DF cat instead, there's still the possibility that she doesn't train in the DF. That would change a lot of things around.(I'm too tired to list them all right now though lol, but I'm not sure if this would be a good or bad thing to happen.) Finally, Hollyleaf would be alive. (yay! I love Hollyleaf )
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Post by ααͺα α½ αΎf fαͺαα αΎms γβ on Feb 14, 2022 18:07:59 GMT -5
i wonder which dotc cat would come up with the clan thing instead. there's a lot of good things gray wing contributed to. even being the dad to thunder was important! if clear sky raised thunder, oh boooy I think there are plenty of things that would've been similar. They still ultimately would've divided up into Clans, there would still be five of them, etc. But a LOT of things would be different, too. For one, I don't think Thunder would've ended up as leader of a Clan at all. I think if Gray Wing hadn't been there, either Clear Sky would've raised him, or worse, he would've been left to die (nobody else would've been as drawn to take him in as Gray Wing, since Thunder was the kit of Gray Wing's brother and the cat he was in love with at the time). Someone might have taken him in, but there are no cats I can think of who would've immediately made that decision (consider how many of the cats in Tall Shadow's group at the time didn't want to take him in). Thunder would have become a very different cat regardless, though, without Gray Wing to raise him. Personally, I think if Thunder hadn't been the one to lead the exodus from Clear Sky's group to form their own, it likely would've been either Owl Eyes or Leaf. So ThunderClan would've been formed, but it wouldn't be ThunderCllan as we know it. Also, without Gray Wing, what are the chances that Tall Shadow's group would've befriended Wind and Gorse? If they never became friends, what would that mean for WindClan? Would Wind and Gorse have decided to join a group at all, had it not been for Gray Wing? What about Turtle Tail and her kits? Would Turtle Tail have left the moor to become a kittypet had she not been upset by Gray Wing not being interested in her? If she didn't become a kittypet, would she have kits? Ultimately all of her kits grow up to be important (Pebble Heart becomes a medicine cat, of course, and Owl Eyes and Sparrow Fur both become deputies) - what would've happened had they never been born? I think ShadowClan and RiverClan are the only Clans that would be completely unchanged. But SkyClan would change too - what would happen if Clear Sky didn't end up on such bad terms with Gray Wing? Would the First Battle ever have happened? If the battle never happened, what would've caused the spirit cats to interact with the living cats? Would they have? There's a lot that would change if Gray Wing weren't in the story. And I don't know why I thought so much about it but I did lmao. i didnt realize it would be THIS different. sounds so interesting to think about. do u think turtle tail would have stayed in the mountains if gray wing never existed? i dont know what reason she'd have to go on the journey without him.
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Post by αΉ’anΙypawβ’ on Feb 14, 2022 18:27:06 GMT -5
Daisy, and that means no amazing Hazeltail
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Post by ΛΚΙΙ±bΜͺΙ»Μ©fΜΚtΜ Μ on Feb 14, 2022 20:47:37 GMT -5
Rock
Hmm. I think that the universe does not exist anymore.
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Post by π―ππππ¦π±π£π―π¬π°π± on Feb 14, 2022 21:44:04 GMT -5
I think there are plenty of things that would've been similar. They still ultimately would've divided up into Clans, there would still be five of them, etc. But a LOT of things would be different, too.Β For one, I don't think Thunder would've ended up as leader of a Clan at all. I think if Gray Wing hadn't been there, either Clear Sky would've raised him, or worse, he would've been left to die (nobody else would've been as drawn to take him in as Gray Wing, since Thunder was the kit of Gray Wing's brother and the cat he was in love with at the time).Β Someone might have taken him in, but there are no cats I can think of who would've immediately made that decision (consider how many of the cats in Tall Shadow's group at the time didn't want to take him in).Β Thunder would have become a very different cat regardless, though, without Gray Wing to raise him. Personally, I think if Thunder hadn't been the one to lead the exodus from Clear Sky's group to form their own, it likely would've been either Owl Eyes or Leaf.Β So ThunderClan would've been formed, but it wouldn't be ThunderCllan as we know it. Also, without Gray Wing, what are the chances that Tall Shadow's group would've befriended Wind and Gorse?Β If they never became friends, what would that mean for WindClan? Would Wind and Gorse have decided to join a group at all, had it not been for Gray Wing? What about Turtle Tail and her kits? Would Turtle Tail have left the moor to become a kittypet had she not been upset by Gray Wing not being interested in her? If she didn't become a kittypet, would she have kits? Ultimately all of her kits grow up to be important (Pebble Heart becomes a medicine cat, of course, and Owl Eyes and Sparrow Fur both become deputies) - what would've happened had they never been born? I think ShadowClan and RiverClan are the only Clans that would be completely unchanged.Β But SkyClan would change too - what would happen if Clear Sky didn't end up on such bad terms with Gray Wing? Would the First Battle ever have happened? If the battle never happened, what would've caused the spirit cats to interact with the living cats? Would they have? There's a lot that would change if Gray Wing weren't in the story.Β And I don't know why I thought so much about it but I did lmao. i didnt realize it would be THIS different. sounds so interesting to think about. do u think turtle tail would have stayed in the mountains if gray wing never existed? i dont know what reason she'd have to go on the journey without him. Keep in mind that she made the decision to leave the mountains even back when Gray Wing chose to stay. So I donβt think that decision would change.
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Post by Dark Sun on Feb 14, 2022 22:08:49 GMT -5
Possibly Thistleclaw as leader.... *shudders* no. I don't think that Thistleclaw would take Rusty in Didn't Sunstar say that he never seriously considered Thistleclaw for the deputy position though? Or it was at least confirmed somewhere that he would not have choosen him instead of Bluefur even if she had somehow not been able to accept this role? I swear that something like it was mentioned either in universe or by one of the authors. Anyways, I'll take his half-brother Thrushpelt or his sister Rosetail over him as leader any day. I remember this as a direct quote from Sunstar, so you are correct.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Feb 14, 2022 22:16:17 GMT -5
brightheart. which means a different maturity arc for cloudtail and no whitewing, which means no dovewing/ivypool.
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Post by Cheetahstar on Feb 15, 2022 7:08:15 GMT -5
Mapleshade
so honestly?
lives imrpoved for nearly everycat
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Post by twigfrost on Feb 15, 2022 7:11:47 GMT -5
hollyleaf. eh, lionblaze can take her place, really.
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Post by π±ππππππππππ on Feb 15, 2022 8:56:51 GMT -5
hollyleaf. eh, lionblaze can take her place, really. Not really. He would not even have to take her place since it just means Leafpool gave birth to two sons (Lionblaze and Jayfeather) without having Hollyleaf as a daughter. Seeing as both of them are still part of the prophecy while Hollyleaf never was in the first place, the only thing that really changes is Ashfur's fate. Either he doesn't get killed or someone else murders him instead (maybe Squirrelflight by the river or Leafpool could poison him with deathberries). Sorry for thinking about this way too much than necessary.
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