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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Feb 13, 2022 8:24:50 GMT -5
I know it's not entirely fair to compare the two yet since the full ASC book isn't out yet, but I'm going to make the poll anyway. Both Blossomfall and Lightleap are bad friends in my opinion, but I was curious as to who people liked more.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Feb 13, 2022 8:38:17 GMT -5
Were Blossomfall and Ivypool ever really friends though? To me, it always seemed like Blossomfall just stopped bullying Ivypool and they were only interacting with each other afterwards due to both of them training in the Dark Forest, not because they were real friends. They are not shown to be close afterwards in following arcs either.
But anyways, Blossomfall ist still worse, in my opinion. Although that could change once Lightleap gets Sunbeam into actual danger out of her own recklessness. She still has at least an actual reason for her behaviour though unlike with Blossomfall who just bullied Ivypool when they were apprentices because she wanted to. And no, for anyone wanting to make the argument that it was because Millie spent more time with Briarlight than her, this was before any of it occured.
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Feb 13, 2022 8:46:59 GMT -5
Were Blossomfall and Ivypool ever really friends though? To me, it always seemed like Blossomfall just stopped bullying Ivypool and they were only interacting with each other afterwards due to both of them training in the Dark Forest, not because they were real friends. They are not shown to be close afterwards in following arcs either. But anyways, Blossomfall ist still worse, in my opinion. Although that could change once Lightleap gets Sunbeam into actual danger out of her own recklessness. She still has at least an actual reason for her behaviour though unlike with Blossomfall who just bullied Ivypool when they were apprentices because she wanted to. And no, for anyone wanting to make the argument that it was because Millie spent more time with Briarlight than her, this was before any of it occured. That's a good point, I always just assumed people thought they were friends due to their time in the tunnels
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Feb 13, 2022 8:48:05 GMT -5
Lightleap is more bearable.
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Post by *•.¸♡𝘥𝘢𝘸𝘯𝘳𝘰𝘴𝘦♡¸.•* on Feb 13, 2022 10:42:39 GMT -5
Lightleap because she’s no where near as terrible as Blossomfall. I sure hope the fandom doesn’t start shipping her with Sunbeam because I can’t stand another IvyBlossom. Blossomfall didn’t listen to her literal leader and put both her and Ivypool in danger, gets mad at her mom for paying more attention to Briarlight, her injured sister, then herself, a fully grown warrior, Millie isn’t perfect, but she isn’t a demon. We haven’t seen much of Lightleap so this may change but at least Sunbeam can actually think of her as a friend, I don’t think I can say the same for Ivypool and Blossomfall.
(Just to make sure, this is all my opinion I’m not trying to say that everyone should think this way)
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Feb 13, 2022 10:49:49 GMT -5
Were Blossomfall and Ivypool ever really friends though? To me, it always seemed like Blossomfall just stopped bullying Ivypool and they were only interacting with each other afterwards due to both of them training in the Dark Forest, not because they were real friends. They are not shown to be close afterwards in following arcs either. But anyways, Blossomfall ist still worse, in my opinion. Although that could change once Lightleap gets Sunbeam into actual danger out of her own recklessness. She still has at least an actual reason for her behaviour though unlike with Blossomfall who just bullied Ivypool when they were apprentices because she wanted to. And no, for anyone wanting to make the argument that it was because Millie spent more time with Briarlight than her, this was before any of it occured. That's a good point, I always just assumed people thought they were friends due to their time in the tunnels Not really. Most people who use that scene as evidence usually do so in order to support their claims of those two characters having romantic chemistry and feelings for each other. I think it's rather obvious that this bit in the tunnels was instead simply supposed to explain Blossomfall's reasoning for training in the Dark Forest and not to indicate a friendship let alone romance between her and Ivypool. But hey, people are of course allowed to ship them if they feel like it, I just can't due to how unbearable Blossomfall is, in my own opinion.
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Post by Hollyfall on Feb 13, 2022 10:50:33 GMT -5
Were Blossomfall and Ivypool ever really friends though? To me, it always seemed like Blossomfall just stopped bullying Ivypool and they were only interacting with each other afterwards due to both of them training in the Dark Forest, not because they were real friends. They are not shown to be close afterwards in following arcs either. But anyways, Blossomfall ist still worse, in my opinion. Although that could change once Lightleap gets Sunbeam into actual danger out of her own recklessness. She still has at least an actual reason for her behaviour though unlike with Blossomfall who just bullied Ivypool when they were apprentices because she wanted to. And no, for anyone wanting to make the argument that it was because Millie spent more time with Briarlight than her, this was before any of it occured. This is why I never understood the BlossomIvy ship. Blossomfall and Ivypool these days are acquaintances at best. They were never friends during their Dark Forest training and Blossomfall just bullied Ivypool for the majority of their interactions in OotS. Hardly a basis for a romantic ship, imo.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 13, 2022 11:05:10 GMT -5
Lightleap by far. She isn't a bully, just reckless, and it's pretty clear she's overcompensating and that it's blinding her. Who knows, maybe she even feels guilty for Bristlefrost's death, and she could very well grow out of it as the arc goes on. She's a nice cat otherwise and we can see why Sunbeam would think of her as a friend.
Blossomfall, however, was always kind of terrible. She and Ivypool were also never really friends, and the times they did interact, it was mostly negative. Maybe they're on good terms now, but even then, I wouldn't really consider them friends.
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Feb 13, 2022 11:11:01 GMT -5
Lightleap because she’s no where near as terrible as Blossomfall. I sure hope the fandom doesn’t start shipping her with Sunbeam because I can’t stand another IvyBlossom. Blossomfall didn’t listen to her literal leader and put both her and Ivypool in danger, gets mad at her mom for paying more attention to Briarlight, her injured sister, then herself, a fully grown warrior, Millie isn’t perfect, but she isn’t a demon. We haven’t seen much of Lightleap so this may change but at least Sunbeam can actually think of her as a friend, I don’t think I can say the same for Ivypool and Blossomfall. (Just to make sure, this is all my opinion I’m not trying to say that everyone should think this way) While I agree with you, Lightleap is also quite similar in flaws. I do however prefer Lightleap because her reasoning for being the way she is makes more sense. Blossomfall was awful from day 1, Lightleap changed for the worse after what happened to her in ALitM. This is even noticed by her friend Sunbeam.
1. She breaks the code by sneaking onto Rc territory when Hopwhisker dared her to 2. She's jealous of her sister Thriftear 3. She's reckless, and her recklessness eventually leads up to Sunbeam getting hurt. 4. She's a toxic friend to Sunbeam, caring more about her reputation rather than her friend Ex.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 13, 2022 11:18:35 GMT -5
Were Blossomfall and Ivypool ever really friends though? To me, it always seemed like Blossomfall just stopped bullying Ivypool and they were only interacting with each other afterwards due to both of them training in the Dark Forest, not because they were real friends. They are not shown to be close afterwards in following arcs either. But anyways, Blossomfall ist still worse, in my opinion. Although that could change once Lightleap gets Sunbeam into actual danger out of her own recklessness. She still has at least an actual reason for her behaviour though unlike with Blossomfall who just bullied Ivypool when they were apprentices because she wanted to. And no, for anyone wanting to make the argument that it was because Millie spent more time with Briarlight than her, this was before any of it occured. This is why I never understood the BlossomIvy ship. Blossomfall and Ivypool these days are acquaintances at best. They were never friends during their Dark Forest training and Blossomfall just bullied Ivypool for the majority of their interactions in OotS. Hardly a basis for a romantic ship, imo. Honestly, when it comes to the enemies-to-lovers (or rivals-to-lovers) trope in general, it seems like people want Elizabeth and Darcy without actually understanding what makes the couple work. And in Ivypool and Blossomfall's case, it just doesn't work at all. They didn't interact much, but whenever they did, Blossomfall would either belittle her or not listen to her. Certainly no basis for a friendship, much less a romantic relationship.
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Post by Jaysnow on Feb 13, 2022 11:20:26 GMT -5
BlossomIvy is just gross.
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Post by 𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥 on Feb 13, 2022 11:45:21 GMT -5
Lightleap because atleast she has a reason to act like the way she does.
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Post by *Faith* on Feb 13, 2022 18:10:02 GMT -5
Lightleap because she’s no where near as terrible as Blossomfall. I sure hope the fandom doesn’t start shipping her with Sunbeam because I can’t stand another IvyBlossom. Blossomfall didn’t listen to her literal leader and put both her and Ivypool in danger, gets mad at her mom for paying more attention to Briarlight, her injured sister, then herself, a fully grown warrior, Millie isn’t perfect, but she isn’t a demon. We haven’t seen much of Lightleap so this may change but at least Sunbeam can actually think of her as a friend, I don’t think I can say the same for Ivypool and Blossomfall. (Just to make sure, this is all my opinion I’m not trying to say that everyone should think this way) While I agree with you, Lightleap is also quite similar in flaws. I do however prefer Lightleap because her reasoning for being the way she is makes more sense. Blossomfall was awful from day 1, Lightleap changed for the worse after what happened to her in ALitM. This is even noticed by her friend Sunbeam.
1. She breaks the code by sneaking onto Rc territory when Hopwhisker dared her to 2. She's jealous of her sister Thriftear 3. She's reckless, and her recklessness eventually leads up to Sunbeam getting hurt. 4. She's a toxic friend to Sunbeam, caring more about her reputation rather than her friend Ex.
Lightleap's sister is Pouncestep.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Feb 13, 2022 18:12:02 GMT -5
blossomfall. she had a personality as an apprentice and therefore her slightly more relevant role in OotS didn't feel out of nowhere. but lightleap didnt get anything when she was younger, so now her getting a personality and subplot when her friend is protag compared to when her bro was protag..it's too late and too sudden for me. blossomfall was done right by having a personality all the way through.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2022 18:15:55 GMT -5
Lightleap. Blossomfall is awful
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Feb 13, 2022 18:35:14 GMT -5
Lightleap cause she's more interesting than Blossomfall.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 13, 2022 19:25:18 GMT -5
blossomfall. she had a personality as an apprentice and therefore her slightly more relevant role in OotS didn't feel out of nowhere. but lightleap didnt get anything when she was younger, so now her getting a personality and subplot when her friend is protag compared to when her bro was protag..it's too late and too sudden for me. blossomfall was done right by having a personality all the way through. I don't see how Lightleap didn't have a personality prior to TBC. Her being a background character aside, she's shown to be really close with her siblings from the little we see of her, and judging by how concerned she was for Snowbird when she got injured, is usually a very caring cat in general and not just towards her family. It's only until after she can't enter the Dark Forest does she start to change, and not for the better. It's pretty obvious she's compensating over what happened, something that's even directly stated within the text itself. I really couldn't care less for Lightleap at the moment, but you can't say she's never had a personality before now, either. Unless you mean you think she's just never had an interesting personality until now, in which case, that's different.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Feb 13, 2022 19:58:18 GMT -5
blossomfall. she had a personality as an apprentice and therefore her slightly more relevant role in OotS didn't feel out of nowhere. but lightleap didnt get anything when she was younger, so now her getting a personality and subplot when her friend is protag compared to when her bro was protag..it's too late and too sudden for me. blossomfall was done right by having a personality all the way through. I don't see how Lightleap didn't have a personality prior to TBC. Her being a background character aside, she's shown to be really close with her siblings from the little we see of her, and judging by how concerned she was for Snowbird when she got injured, is usually a very caring cat in general and not just towards her family. It's only until after she can't enter the Dark Forest does she start to change, and not for the better. It's pretty obvious she's compensating over what happened, something that's even directly stated within the text itself. I really couldn't care less for Lightleap at the moment, but you can't say she's never had a personality before now, either. Unless you mean you think she's just never had an interesting personality until now, in which case, that's different. guess the wording can be changed to more interesting personality. being a nice sibling, or just nice and caring in general, is generic and shallow. that's not interesting. that's surface level stuff that can be slapped onto any background cat. im more miffed at lightleap getting more interesting stuff NOW when her brother is no longer a pov protag...why make her important now when her FRIEND is pov protag. i personally dont think it makes any sense.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Feb 13, 2022 22:43:57 GMT -5
I feel like Blossomfall is more malicious than Lightleap. Like, she was purposefully nasty to Ivy
Lightleap...is an interesting case. She feels SO inferior to everyone after what she perceives as a great failure. In her desperation to prove her worth, she ends up hurting those around her. It's more complex. Less of a bully. She's certainly not a GOOD friend, but she's not malicious.
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Post by crowspirit on Feb 14, 2022 4:04:08 GMT -5
Blossomfall was way, way worse. I can't stand her, urghh. Lightleap isn't great either, but Blossomfall is just at the top of the crap pile.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 14, 2022 4:13:27 GMT -5
I like Blossomfall more as a character, but I don't recall Blossm and Ivy being that close of friends? Ivy seemed closer to Bumble than Blossom.
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Feb 14, 2022 10:46:14 GMT -5
I like Blossomfall more as a character, but I don't recall Blossm and Ivy being that close of friends? Ivy seemed closer to Bumble than Blossom. Yeah, sorry about that. They probably aren't friend then, I might've taken canon and mixed it up with head-canons by accident. I need to get to Oots again
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Feb 14, 2022 11:41:37 GMT -5
I don't see how Lightleap didn't have a personality prior to TBC. Her being a background character aside, she's shown to be really close with her siblings from the little we see of her, and judging by how concerned she was for Snowbird when she got injured, is usually a very caring cat in general and not just towards her family. It's only until after she can't enter the Dark Forest does she start to change, and not for the better. It's pretty obvious she's compensating over what happened, something that's even directly stated within the text itself. I really couldn't care less for Lightleap at the moment, but you can't say she's never had a personality before now, either. Unless you mean you think she's just never had an interesting personality until now, in which case, that's different. guess the wording can be changed to more interesting personality. being a nice sibling, or just nice and caring in general, is generic and shallow. that's not interesting. that's surface level stuff that can be slapped onto any background cat. im more miffed at lightleap getting more interesting stuff NOW when her brother is no longer a pov protag...why make her important now when her FRIEND is pov protag. i personally dont think it makes any sense. i mean. probably because she just wasn’t necessary for the plot they developed in TBC? there’s nothing wrong with the authors taking a formerly background character and making them more prominent if it works for the current story. its not like she HAD to be relevant just bc her brother was a protagonist. just kinda seems like a weird bone to pick?
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