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Post by vectoring34 on Feb 5, 2022 19:34:36 GMT -5
Suppose that Leafpool is too stunned to say anything clever to Hollyleaf when Hollyleaf appears with the death berries, and Leafpool is promptly killed by her. What would happen next? How does Omen of the Stars change due to this event?
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Feb 5, 2022 20:34:52 GMT -5
I think she would never have been able to come back and would have likely gone to the dark forest
People could justify Ashfur - he had tried to kill her and was threatening to release a secret that could ruin her life
Leafpool hiding their origins was wrong, but Leafpool was a dedicated medicine cat and well loved by her clan. Hollyleaf was also covered on the Ashfur thing by Bramble and Squirrel. They aren't covering for her if she kills Leafpool
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2022 20:45:52 GMT -5
Hollyleaf would be exiled forever And Jayfeather would've become the only medicine cat I think if Leafpool died Squirrelflight would become really upset but even if she tried she couldn't hate Hollyleaf
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2022 21:18:06 GMT -5
And if Hollyleaf got exiled she would either, leave forever, stay around the clans but only come back for the final battle or would go to the dark forest
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Post by 🌌dapple🌙 (formerly freckle) on Feb 5, 2022 22:19:01 GMT -5
Had she killed her this is what I imagine: Jayfeather shows up at the moment of course and immediately goes to reveal the truth, Holly chases him down in her anger and goes to kill him only to be caught by a third cat (Bramble, Squilf, whoever!) And they save Jayfeather and then exile Holly. Jayfeather would be even worse in terms of snappiness and way harder on Alderpaw when he gets him as an apprentice. This would make Alderpaw more tame and used to more toxic cats and likely make him call out Needlepaw less, allowing her to have her way more without interfering since that's how his cousin raised him.
This would make Violetkit/paw end up being more evil under Needletail's influence. And everytime Twigkit/paw wants to go out, Alderpaw makes it clear that's a big no-no as to not make Needletail (and Violetpaw) angry. Think of it like a cycle of negative behavior and walking on eggshells.
And then of course Jayfeather would be more of a jerk to Twigkit growing up. If the cycle kept continuing I fear it'd make Twigbranch less outspoken, even when she's a warrior and her sister becomes nicer? Eh, Ivypool levels of nice anyway. Point is I would worry she'd kinda carry over Alderheart's shy and fearful trait, and if she did like Finpaw, later Finleap, I doubt she'd be as outspoken?
Tl;dr had Holly killed Leaf I'm about 75% sure it'd start an atrocious toxic cycle of treatment within protagonists
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Post by ivysaur on Feb 6, 2022 7:08:27 GMT -5
I had an evil!hollyleaf au idea based around this a few years ago!
She still attempts to make her escape to the tunnels while being chased by Lionblaze and Jayfeather but she is crushed in the tunnel cave in and she dies. Her spirit wanders in the tunnels for a while like Fallen Leaves wondering what would become of the prophecy now that she was dead. She lingers long enough to see the birth of Dove and Ivy and she deduces that one of them must be the third cat instead of her and that just fuels her bitterness. It was this anger that led her into the Dark Forest (I like to think some spirits wander a bit before headed to their respective afterlives). She replaces Hawkfrost's role in OOTS and recruits Ivypaw into the Dark Forest, roping her in by sharing in their insecurities being the sibling who was left out of the prophecy. She tries to kill Ivypool in the great battle and she is killed by Brambleclaw. Her spirit dies surrounded by her living kin and the spirit of Leafpool both grieving and wondering how it all ended in this way.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Feb 6, 2022 11:49:03 GMT -5
Well, she for one would certainly not get a redemption arc in OotS, that's for damn sure.
Other than this, I feel like Hollyleaf probably keeps her mouth shut about killing her own mother but most of the ThunderClan cats will be suspicious of her anyways just like they were in canon about Ashfur. Someone is going to call her out on it and I highly doubt Brambleclaw could have lied about the circumstances of Leafpool's death unlike how he did with Ashfur. His death was also kind of justified in a way even if Hollyleaf revealed the secret of her and her brother's parentage herself regardless. Hollyleaf murdering Leafpool is not excuseable in the slightest though. So Firestar likely exiles her permanently after the trial even if she regrets everything and is not evil here. I'm not sure how she goes from there but there is no way in hell that StarClan allows her to join their ranks after she dies in this AU. So to the Dark Forest she goes then. Also, no Hollytuft. Perhaps Leaftuft instead.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Feb 6, 2022 18:36:25 GMT -5
Had she killed her this is what I imagine: Jayfeather shows up at the moment of course and immediately goes to reveal the truth, Holly chases him down in her anger and goes to kill him only to be caught by a third cat (Bramble, Squilf, whoever!) And they save Jayfeather and then exile Holly. Jayfeather would be even worse in terms of snappiness and way harder on Alderpaw when he gets him as an apprentice. This would make Alderpaw more tame and used to more toxic cats and likely make him call out Needlepaw less, allowing her to have her way more without interfering since that's how his cousin raised him.
This would make Violetkit/paw end up being more evil under Needletail's influence. And everytime Twigkit/paw wants to go out, Alderpaw makes it clear that's a big no-no as to not make Needletail (and Violetpaw) angry. Think of it like a cycle of negative behavior and walking on eggshells.
And then of course Jayfeather would be more of a jerk to Twigkit growing up. If the cycle kept continuing I fear it'd make Twigbranch less outspoken, even when she's a warrior and her sister becomes nicer? Eh, Ivypool levels of nice anyway. Point is I would worry she'd kinda carry over Alderheart's shy and fearful trait, and if she did like Finpaw, later Finleap, I doubt she'd be as outspoken?
Tl;dr had Holly killed Leaf I'm about 75% sure it'd start an atrocious toxic cycle of treatment within protagonists Pretty much this. The long-term consequences would be horrifying considering that Jayfeather actually cares about Leafpool deep down and that he'd be only able to express his feelings in a negative way.
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Post by 🌌dapple🌙 (formerly freckle) on Feb 7, 2022 8:27:11 GMT -5
Had she killed her this is what I imagine: Jayfeather shows up at the moment of course and immediately goes to reveal the truth, Holly chases him down in her anger and goes to kill him only to be caught by a third cat (Bramble, Squilf, whoever!) And they save Jayfeather and then exile Holly. Jayfeather would be even worse in terms of snappiness and way harder on Alderpaw when he gets him as an apprentice. This would make Alderpaw more tame and used to more toxic cats and likely make him call out Needlepaw less, allowing her to have her way more without interfering since that's how his cousin raised him.
This would make Violetkit/paw end up being more evil under Needletail's influence. And everytime Twigkit/paw wants to go out, Alderpaw makes it clear that's a big no-no as to not make Needletail (and Violetpaw) angry. Think of it like a cycle of negative behavior and walking on eggshells.
And then of course Jayfeather would be more of a jerk to Twigkit growing up. If the cycle kept continuing I fear it'd make Twigbranch less outspoken, even when she's a warrior and her sister becomes nicer? Eh, Ivypool levels of nice anyway. Point is I would worry she'd kinda carry over Alderheart's shy and fearful trait, and if she did like Finpaw, later Finleap, I doubt she'd be as outspoken?
Tl;dr had Holly killed Leaf I'm about 75% sure it'd start an atrocious toxic cycle of treatment within protagonists Pretty much this. The long-term consequences would be horrifying considering that Jayfeather actually cares about Leafpool deep down and that he'd be only able to express his feelings in a negative way. The generational trauma would be strong I think
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