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Post by Redstorm on Jan 22, 2022 15:57:33 GMT -5
Tigerstar is the cat that's featured in nursery rhymes for kits to be afraid of. From his actions in TPB and OOTS he definitely committed many evil and memorable deeds from trying to take over ThunderClan, using dogs to eat ThunderClan cats, creating TigerClan, then playing a prominent role in recruiting cats to the Dark Forest, and fighting Firestar to the death.
Ashfur however committed far crazier deeds as the Imposter that could be the single most signficant event for the Warrior cats. The Warrior cat's ties to StarClan was more important than their ties to the original Forest (TNP events). Additionally, the legacy of the new code could also be paired with Ashfur's return serving as the catalyst for a new code. This could be told by mentors to apprentices, queens to kits, etc.
Who do you think will be remembered more? Although Ashfur committed crazier deeds with severing the link between StarClan and taking over the body of a leader, he never made his physical presence onto the real world. Moreover, most cats did not see the spirit cats and may have not known the full extent of the seriousness of the issue Furthermore, the battle in A Light in the Mist only had a few cats venturing into the Dark Forest.
Tigerstar made such a presence. When Ashfur was alive, he wasn't memorable except to perhaps a few cats knowing of the drama. But Tigerstar was larger than life when alive with his charisma and leadership. And even when dead manipulated a lot of the trainees.
However, the story of Ashfur is definitely spookier and also easier to scare kits with. It could be a story that stands the test of time and Warrior cats definitely learn of old evil cats through elders, queens, etc. passing down nursery tales.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Jan 22, 2022 16:43:19 GMT -5
Definitely Tigerstar in the long run. But Ashfur will probably be remembered more as a recent threat by StarClan since he actually betrayed them, blocked off their connection to the living Clans and actively tried to destroy them in the second half of TBC. Tigerstar certainly did greater damage in TPB to all the Clans a whole though and later on during OotS as a vengeful Dark Forest spirit hell bent on taking his revenge on Firestar in the Great Battle.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Jan 22, 2022 18:11:36 GMT -5
I think Tigerstar will be remembered more as he was actually able to unite two Clans under a reign of terror and was also responsible for bringing in Scrouge who was plenty scary and wreaked lots of havoc as well. He'll be remembered as the "OG terrifying dictator who nearly destroyed the Clans," I suppose.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jan 22, 2022 18:34:21 GMT -5
ashfur's legacy to me is more ghost-story material. the sort of tale where you feel spooked out to hear at night, but forget about it when it's daylight, due its "unrealistic" supernatural nature.
Tigerstar's brutality is scarier because it could be any cat who ends up like that. it'd feel more real and possible because there was no ~fancy rare ghost powers~ that made him a terror to four clans, it was just his unchecked ambition coupled with natural strength and cunning.
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Jan 22, 2022 19:17:39 GMT -5
I think Ashfur since he's the cause for the changes to the code, destroyed ThunderClan for some time, trapped StarClan for some time, became a ruler of the DF, and had a ghost cat army.
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Post by vectoring34 on Jan 22, 2022 19:49:18 GMT -5
Ashfur literally changed the structure of the cosmos so that there is now a guardian position. Assuming Juniperclaw's story is passed on in folklore, then Ashfur's story will absolutely have further reaching implications in the cosmology and be remembered far longer than Tigerstar. Ultimately, Tigerstar is just going to kind of blend in with other general dictator types like Brokenstar and Darktail to be remembered quite as long as what is essentially a fallen angel.
Moreover, Ashfur also led to the deaths of more cats than Tigerstar. Tigerstar only killed Redtail, Graypool, Brindleface, Bluestar, Gorsepaw, Runningwind, Stonefur, and Firestar. Ashfur led to the deaths of Dappletuft, Stemleaf, Willowshine, Graystripe, Rosepetal, Berrynose, Conefoot, Frondwhisker, Strikestone, Bristlefrost, Sandynose, Smokehaze, and Softpelt. I think people forget that the battle in Veil of Shadows is the bloodiest battle in recent history barring the DF battle, and it would have been quite a bit more traumatic, owing to the fact that unlike the DF battle where at least Warriors can say that they died honorably in defense of their clan, the VoS battle is just them dying uselessly because they're being manipulated by a demon.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Jan 23, 2022 8:10:26 GMT -5
Ashfur because of reasons said above.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Jan 23, 2022 9:44:42 GMT -5
I feel like Ashfur would be most remembered during this generation, but in the far away generations, were all the cats who witnessed it are dead, they would eventually start beliving it never really happened, and it's just a story to scare kits.
Tigerstar would be remembered, but, eventually, he would end up being nothing besides villains like Ashfur, Darktail, etc.
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Post by downfalls on Jan 23, 2022 12:28:24 GMT -5
as much as tigerstar is remembered i think it has to go to ashfur. he killed more cats than tigerstar did (including a tbc protag), caused a lot of damage and manipulated many cats. he was very smart and what he did is something never seen before in the series.
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Post by Chicken on Jan 23, 2022 19:53:08 GMT -5
I think Ashfur, since most of the cats who were alive when Tigerclaw was already dead, and the cats who were alive during Ashfur's whole thing will probably live forever.
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Post by cable on Jan 24, 2022 1:53:18 GMT -5
realistically, due to tigerstars active periods, hes going to be melded together with villains like brokenstar, hawkfrost, scourge, etc. maybe the name will stick, but the details are kinda gonna all melt together, especially with how warriors oral history seems to degenerate quickly.
ashfur had a rather unique modus operandi and nobody to really be mixed with, so hed remain distinct in clan memory imo. tho, as mentioned above, he could end up turning into more of a ghost story with his authenticity doubted, especially if starclan learns their lesson and starts getting more hands-off with the clans.
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