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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 20:02:52 GMT -5
Some debates in the fandom come up again and again. Are there any debates you just don't see the point of or can see both sides to? For me, I don't have any strong opinion about Squirrelflight and Bramblestar's relationship.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jan 11, 2022 21:30:50 GMT -5
ashfur in starclan for sure
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Post by rabbit on Jan 11, 2022 21:42:06 GMT -5
A lot of the “political correctness” stuff (I know that is a buzzword but for lack of a better term). I think conservations surrounding it can be really interesting but at the same time it can get really toxic quick which is why I keep a distance from it. Suddenly people are calling someone a women hater, ableist, or racist just because of some dumb opinion they have on a children’s book series, which may not reflect how they feel about that stuff in real life at all. Besides, there is way too much discrimination in real life that to care for whether it is present or not in the fiction I read is a waste of my time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 21:46:23 GMT -5
every single thing surrounding mapleshade’s vengeance at this point
also discussing whether a book is “good” or not. i am here for the fun not for the quality (it’s fine if you’re looking for quality btw, i’m just personally not interested)
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Post by Rainfire on Jan 11, 2022 22:08:17 GMT -5
Pretty much all Dovewing/Ivypool debates because I see things from both of their sides and sympathize with them both
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Post by Skypaw13 on Jan 11, 2022 22:57:25 GMT -5
Most things actually. Most of my posts on major debate threads are are arguing with the way arguments are made, not actually taking a side. Which means I please no one, lol.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Jan 11, 2022 23:02:10 GMT -5
Most things actually. Most of my posts on major debate threads are are arguing with the way arguments are made, not actually taking a side. Which means I please no one, lol. every good debate needs a meditator or impartial judge.
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Post by Fireleap on Jan 11, 2022 23:17:57 GMT -5
Dovewing's eye color
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 0:35:19 GMT -5
Mapleshade vs. Her victims
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Post by tema on Jan 12, 2022 2:27:06 GMT -5
Anything regarding the Tribe of Rushing Water.
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Post by crowspirit on Jan 12, 2022 2:59:09 GMT -5
Briarlight. There are a lot of people who say her depiction is ableist, that she could have been a normal warrior who hunts and fights (which, I'm sorry, is just not possible) and then there are people who say she should have died way earlier and her survival was unrealistic. I agree with neither of these extremes, I'm just neutral on the whole thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 8:54:26 GMT -5
A lot of the “political correctness” stuff (I know that is a buzzword but for lack of a better term). I think conservations surrounding it can be really interesting but at the same time it can get really toxic quick which is why I keep a distance from it. Suddenly people are calling someone a women hater, ableist, or racist just because of some dumb opinion they have on a children’s book series, which may not reflect how they feel about that stuff in real life at all. Besides, there is way too much discrimination in real life that to care for whether it is present or not in the fiction I read is a waste of my time. I'm fascinated by how Warriors deals with disability and imperialist-ish situations (such as with the Tribe of Rushing Water and the Sisters), but yelling at people on the internet about their opinions on it seems counterproductive. It's good to question how children's media represents certain topics since the media greatly influences how kids grow up to view the world they live in. However, just because a person thinks something is problematic doesn't mean they need to force other people to think that way too.
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Jan 12, 2022 11:44:04 GMT -5
I’m not a fan of romance, so I’m not into debates involving relationships. The only exception is that I think the forbidden love issue should’ve been done away with long ago (including for medicine cats, and happy to see that something is finally being done) and that I feel like this series should’ve done it by showing the consequences of that via inbreeding (as it would shut down any debates really quick).
This isn’t really neutral, but I may as well put it here anyway because I don’t bring it up too much anymore (due to being completely shot down when I try). As someone that has a physical disability, any debate that says the series is ablest by not allowing a clearly disabled person to fight in battle (e.g. Jayfeather’s blindness, Cinderpelt’s leg) really annoys me. I also don’t like the way Briarlight is portrayed at all, and feel like it’s extremely inaccurate and even offensive (not the disability itself, but the way it’s supposed to be seen as inspirational, and the fact that the horror of that particular one is glossed over even though that’s understandable a bit).
I feel like people also forget Jayfeather was not asked to become a medicine cat initially because of his disability, but because he showed he was very good with herbs (him originally becoming a warrior and not doing well was because he thought it was due to his disability, and was at risk of getting really badly hurt in his first fight). It’s also stated that Cinderpelt moves noticeably slower than a regular warrior and seems perfectly fine with being a medicine cat and clearly enjoys it. Obviously, there are exceptions to this (Crookedstar, Brightheart) but that shouldn’t be the standard for everyone nor should the other characters that weren’t exceptions be seen as being treated unfairly (especially when there’s nothing like that in the books, and the characters could easily speak up something like that happened).
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Post by rabbit on Jan 12, 2022 18:17:05 GMT -5
A lot of the “political correctness” stuff (I know that is a buzzword but for lack of a better term). I think conservations surrounding it can be really interesting but at the same time it can get really toxic quick which is why I keep a distance from it. Suddenly people are calling someone a women hater, ableist, or racist just because of some dumb opinion they have on a children’s book series, which may not reflect how they feel about that stuff in real life at all. Besides, there is way too much discrimination in real life that to care for whether it is present or not in the fiction I read is a waste of my time. I'm fascinated by how Warriors deals with disability and imperialist-ish situations (such as with the Tribe of Rushing Water and the Sisters), but yelling at people on the internet about their opinions on it seems counterproductive. It's good to question how children's media represents certain topics since the media greatly influences how kids grow up to view the world they live in. However, just because a person thinks something is problematic doesn't mean they need to force other people to think that way too. I agree. Debates center around that kind of stuff can create a great dialogue, but people get so passionate about it, debates turn ugly fast with people becoming legitimately upset and resorting to personal attacks, etc. It is just not worth the stress to take fiction that seriously.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Jan 12, 2022 18:21:55 GMT -5
The Ivypool/Dovewing debate, I mildly like both characters but never cared for them that much.
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Post by aether on Jan 12, 2022 18:48:41 GMT -5
Basically every debate xD
I don't care what colour Dovewing's eyes are or what colour Scourges collar is. I don't care who is in the Dark Forest or why they ended up there. I don't care about character vs character debates. I also don't mind which is the worst arc.
Honestly this also extends to real life xD It's not that I'm indecisive, but sometimes my partner calls me 'annoyingly neutral'. I just see both sides ;O;
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Post by Chicken on Jan 13, 2022 22:06:29 GMT -5
A lot of the ones already mentioned like Dovewing's eye color, Scourge's collar color, Ivypool vs Dovewing, I really can't think of any more at the moment, unless Leafpool vs Feathertail, as for who Crowfeather will choose in StarClan, if he can't choose both counts
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Post by Moonblazer on Jan 14, 2022 8:40:02 GMT -5
Ashfur in Starclan, I literally could not have cared less where he ended up back then tbh. He was out of the picture either way…of course they had to bring him back. Blugh. Additionally, I have 0 care for the Mapleshade’s Vengeance and Spottedleaf’s Heart debates.
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Post by Numquam on Jan 14, 2022 8:52:49 GMT -5
I know I joke about being really into stuff like Scourge's collar, but I'm pretty neutral on most debates in the fandom.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 9:52:47 GMT -5
Ashfur in Starclan, I literally could not have cared less where he ended up back then tbh. He was out of the picture either way…of course they had to bring him back. Blugh. Additionally, I have 0 care for the Mapleshade’s Vengeance and Spottedleaf’s Heart debates. I'm neutral on Ashfur in StarClan too. I don't think the authors knew they were going to bring him back as a villain at the time (his ultimate guide entry makes it sound like a flawed character, not a villain), so it makes sense that they put him in StarClan. However, I can also see why people think he should be in the Dark Forest.
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Post by downfalls on Jan 14, 2022 10:09:19 GMT -5
dovewing eye color debate, scourge collar color debate and the nightcrow one
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Post by Cloudstorm on Jan 14, 2022 13:43:54 GMT -5
Ashfur in Starclan, I literally could not have cared less where he ended up back then tbh. He was out of the picture either way…of course they had to bring him back. Blugh. Additionally, I have 0 care for the Mapleshade’s Vengeance and Spottedleaf’s Heart debates. I'm neutral on Ashfur in StarClan too. I don't think the authors knew they were going to bring him back as a villain at the time (his ultimate guide entry makes it sound like a flawed character, not a villain), so it makes sense that they put him in StarClan. However, I can also see why people think he should be in the Dark Forest. tbf they weren’t even planning on continuing the series after OoTS at the time neither. or retconning the fact that once ones spirit enters Starclan their age is reverted back to the point in time they were happiest, and forget/become cleansed of the crimes they’ve committed and forget the crimes committed against them, and they essentially find peace once there. But alas it’s no more.
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Post by epicstyle on Jan 14, 2022 19:33:03 GMT -5
The Onestar vs. Mudclaw debate. I think that Tallstar really screwed Mudclaw over but IMO the outcome would have been about the same if Mudclaw became leader, he and Onestar both suck lol.
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Post by Fallenflower on Jan 14, 2022 20:34:10 GMT -5
Crowfeather vs. Nightcloud
I haven't read books about them in a long time so I can't pick a side. I don't want to base my opinions on MAPs or word of mouth because both can be biased.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Jan 15, 2022 6:29:58 GMT -5
I agree with Crowfeather and Nightcloud. I can see both sides and the reason they are both like that, but they also both do morally wrong things. No one is innocent in the situation.
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