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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jan 3, 2022 12:17:58 GMT -5
If Bramblestar absolutely had to end up with one of Firestar's kits at all, what are your thoughts on Bramblestar x Leafpool?
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jan 3, 2022 12:21:58 GMT -5
Honestly would have been a better and more interesting arc. Leafpool is gentle and more understanding, so I think her and Bramblestar would have hit it off much better than the other two options. Personally, my biggest choices for Bramble would have been between Daisy and Feathertail.
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Jan 3, 2022 12:28:50 GMT -5
I like the Ship CrowLeaf, but I wouldn't mind it. I'm more of a Sorrel x Bramble shipper though. I can see him maybe liking Leafpool, but I think he is into more fiery and extroverted cats.
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Post by tema on Jan 3, 2022 12:36:11 GMT -5
I like it.
Imagine, for a moment, an alternate universe where that happens. Squirrelflight still elopes in the beginning of TNP, but they part, and she takes Ashfur. Bramble and Leaf get together in secret, and kit. Squirrel takes the children from Leafpool to protect her, and Bramble joins in on the scheme because he's the father. The three set up a fake story that Bramble and Squirrelflight got back together, and she's forced to break it off with Ashfur, and starting his downward spiral before the Fire Scene puts him into overdrive. The whole time Bramble and Squirrel act like Crowfeather and Nightpelt, except they make an effort to hide it, and in turn we see Hollyleaf clinging to the Warrior Code as a cope for regaining some feeling of control, since the cats she believes to be her parents aren't in a loving family together.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Jan 3, 2022 14:04:39 GMT -5
I definitely prefer BrambleLeaf over BrambleSquirrel but also have other ships for Brambleclaw (as well as Leafpool and Squirrelflight) that have more appeal to me than this ship now (I shipped them very earnestly a while back though). Those ships include BrambleStorm(fur), BrambleFeather(tail), BrambleSorrel and BrambleBracken although I also only recently started shipping BrambleFern(cloud) and have always had a liking for BrambleDaisy as well.
To get back to the point of this thread, Brambleclaw getting with Leafpool instead of Squirrelflight would have made for a much better TNP arc and overall storyline if he absolutely had to end up with someone from Firestar's family, to be honest. Although there is also Whitewing. Great, now I'm getting ideas and have to write an AU about these two.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jan 3, 2022 14:17:46 GMT -5
i am not opposed to this pair. pairing brambleclaw with gentle cats is the best thing ever. brambleclaw is fire, leafpool is water.
whereas bramble is fire, and squirrel is also fire so idk why the guide books ever thought it was cool to say they "matched" each others fires when thats not how healthy ship dynamics work....at all. fire x water, red x blue, sun x moon, et. u don't pair two fires together and make a big mess, but yet they still did lmao.
this also works for bramble x sorrel (my favorite AU ship), and even squirrel x shrew (another fave AU ship).
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Post by cheeselamps on Jan 3, 2022 16:01:32 GMT -5
I prefer BrambleLeaf over BrambleSquirrel any day of the week. Squirrelflight could have easily been his little sister and it would have had much more sense to me.
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Post by dnacat on Jan 3, 2022 16:15:32 GMT -5
In my own little rewrite, that isn't full fledged at all, Leafpool and Squirrelflight basically swap mates, so yeah I'm on board the LeafBramble train.
I think she would have been far more patient with him than Squirrelflight was, but still would've been stern and wouldn't have put up with the "you just don't like Hawkfrost because Tigerstar's his dad!" stuff in TNP. But I feel like she would've tried to communicate with him, rather than just letting him go off in a huff. Overall, I feel like they're just healthier and make more sense because, honestly, Bramblestar and Squirrelflight work with literally anyone other than each-other.
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Post by emofang on Jan 3, 2022 16:59:10 GMT -5
when i was younger and i read "after sunset: we need to talk", i thought that bramblestar and leafpool would be a great match! i think that they'd be better compared to bramblesquirrel, which always felt like more of a sibling dynamic, especially during the new prophecy.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Jan 3, 2022 18:29:53 GMT -5
I think that it'd be interesting, and I'm not against a BrambleLeaf pair ever happening.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Jan 4, 2022 5:21:59 GMT -5
I would have preferred Bramblestar x No one. With his obsession over kin and his ambitions, he would have easily gotten on Leafpool's nerves. Especially since she knew he was training and that would have replaced the Hawkfrost rift SquirrelxBramble had.
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Jan 4, 2022 6:08:40 GMT -5
I always liked Brambleclaw with either Sorreltail or Feathertail. Daisy would have been a good match too.
Squirrelflight should have been with Shrewpaw or someone else
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jan 4, 2022 6:33:04 GMT -5
I would have preferred Bramblestar x No one. With his obsession over kin and his ambitions, he would have easily gotten on Leafpool's nerves. Especially since she knew he was training and that would have replaced the Hawkfrost rift SquirrelxBramble had. No necessarily imo, Leafpool didn't have the same paranoia streak that Squirrelflight had. After the prophecy situation, she gave Brambleclaw the benefit of the doubt. When she saw him training in the Dark Forest later, she did have some doubts, but later in LW she and Bramble do talk about. Bramble reassured her that he was loyal and she points out that it's not her place to judge, and that she was even willing to forget it happened, but Bramble said otherwise. The two of them worked it out much better than he and Squirrel did tbh, where it's just Squirrel badgering him constantly and yelling at him whenever he spent time with his kin. It's especially interesting since Leafpool had even more of a reason to actually not trust Bramble (the prophecy and seeing him in the DF), compared to Squirrelflight who was only going off on a hunch.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Jan 4, 2022 13:38:26 GMT -5
I would have preferred Bramblestar x No one. With his obsession over kin and his ambitions, he would have easily gotten on Leafpool's nerves. Especially since she knew he was training and that would have replaced the Hawkfrost rift SquirrelxBramble had. No necessarily imo, Leafpool didn't have the same paranoia streak that Squirrelflight had. After the prophecy situation, she gave Brambleclaw the benefit of the doubt. When she saw him training in the Dark Forest later, she did have some doubts, but later in LW she and Bramble do talk about. Bramble reassured her that he was loyal and she points out that it's not her place to judge, and that she was even willing to forget it happened, but Bramble said otherwise. The two of them worked it out much better than he and Squirrel did tbh, where it's just Squirrel badgering him constantly and yelling at him whenever he spent time with his kin. It's especially interesting since Leafpool had even more of a reason to actually not trust Bramble (the prophecy and seeing him in the DF), compared to Squirrelflight who was only going off on a hunch. We'll have to agree to disagree, but I'll give more insight on my opinion. If they were in a relationship, I know it would have panned out differently. The contents in LW shouldn't be seen as the defacto canon in this argument as it follows a different route from this potential path. Brambleclaw wasn't her mate or ex mate in that book.
Brambleclaw was obsessive about Hawkfrost and kin in general, to the point he gets a ton of flak due to it in TNP. Tawnypelt is noted to give him flak because she wants to be loyal to ShadowClan and her brother keeps pestering her. This alone would have caused issues with POT and OOTS, as Leafpool would have to break it off to keep her position or have to step down. Both result in Brambleclaw being pissed to high heaven.
As for the sign she had, which is not the prophecy you mentioned, would also cause issues. Parallels with Hawkfrost and Mothwing would have been made even if her sign legitimately came from StarClan.
The issue in BramblexSquirrel isn't Squirrelflight, which I feel a lot are quick to blame for. While she did act immature at first, Brambleclaw's constant refusal to properly listen and his stubbornness alone causes issues. You can't expect proper communication when one party fails right off the bat about it. Their foundation is rocky and I can see it with any relationship he has unless that cat just goes with what he says. That isn't a healthy relationship.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jan 4, 2022 13:41:44 GMT -5
tbh I don't really like Bramble with anyone. He just never seemed like the family/mate type to me.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jan 4, 2022 22:16:28 GMT -5
No necessarily imo, Leafpool didn't have the same paranoia streak that Squirrelflight had. After the prophecy situation, she gave Brambleclaw the benefit of the doubt. When she saw him training in the Dark Forest later, she did have some doubts, but later in LW she and Bramble do talk about. Bramble reassured her that he was loyal and she points out that it's not her place to judge, and that she was even willing to forget it happened, but Bramble said otherwise. The two of them worked it out much better than he and Squirrel did tbh, where it's just Squirrel badgering him constantly and yelling at him whenever he spent time with his kin. It's especially interesting since Leafpool had even more of a reason to actually not trust Bramble (the prophecy and seeing him in the DF), compared to Squirrelflight who was only going off on a hunch. We'll have to agree to disagree, but I'll give more insight on my opinion. If they were in a relationship, I know it would have panned out differently. The contents in LW shouldn't be seen as the defacto canon in this argument as it follows a different route from this potential path. Brambleclaw wasn't her mate or ex mate in that book.
Brambleclaw was obsessive about Hawkfrost and kin in general, to the point he gets a ton of flak due to it in TNP. Tawnypelt is noted to give him flak because she wants to be loyal to ShadowClan and her brother keeps pestering her. This alone would have caused issues with POT and OOTS, as Leafpool would have to break it off to keep her position or have to step down. Both result in Brambleclaw being pissed to high heaven.
As for the sign she had, which is not the prophecy you mentioned, would also cause issues. Parallels with Hawkfrost and Mothwing would have been made even if her sign legitimately came from StarClan.
The issue in BramblexSquirrel isn't Squirrelflight, which I feel a lot are quick to blame for. While she did act immature at first, Brambleclaw's constant refusal to properly listen and his stubbornness alone causes issues. You can't expect proper communication when one party fails right off the bat about it. Their foundation is rocky and I can see it with any relationship he has unless that cat just goes with what he says. That isn't a healthy relationship. I see what you mean, but I still disagree, no offense btw. From what we've been told in canon, Bramble and Squirrel's relationship was fine when they were together for the most part. As a father, he's seen as one of the best, and as a mate, he's shown to be supportive of Squirrelflight, even when she's horribly stubborn or bratty. However it's only when the secret got out, about her lying to his face for moons, and using him, does their relationship obviously fall apart, and whatever halcyon days they had together is just shoved into the background for future drama.
I personally don't see how Bramble having the desire to connect with his kin is a bad thing, however it's when it clouds his moral judgements that it's an issue, imo. Tawnypelt abandoned him, his father was exiled, his mother later passes away, etc. The closest thing he had to a family in TC was Firestar, and even Firestar didn't trust him for a while out of fear that he would turn out like his father. On top of that, he's constantly judged for his appearance and his bloodline to Tigerstar throughout both the first and second series, and has to repeatedly prove himself and his loyalty. It makes sense that he'd have some sort of desire to retain some sort of relationship with one of the few kin he's ever known at the time.
But he was naive in a sense when it came to him going to night trainings under his father, just so he could see Hawkfrost more. It was naive of him to believe his brother, but I don't blame him for having some hope for him, it's just in the end it didn't work out, and it became a tragedy instead. He paid for his naivety by having to kill his own brother.
As for Leafpool, I personally, at least canonly, prefer she got with no one. Period. She's a medicine cat, any relationship with her, even in a switched situation, would just be messy and annoying. However, if it were up to me, and I had to choose between her or Squirrelflight, I feel that Leafpool would be the better choice. The drama would be more tasteful at least, and more interesting, at least to me. And personality wise, I think Leafpool's calm and collective side would work better with Bramble, compared to Squirrelflight fiery and rebellious personality, which has proven to clash with Bramble time and time again.
Also Bramble really didn't have any reason to listen to Squirrelflight. She wasn't exactly giving him a reason to listen to him in the first place tbh. She claimed Hawkfrost was untrustworthy, with no actual reasoning to back that up, and then gets upset when Bramble spends more time with Hawkfrost over her, so in retaliation she spent more time with Ashfur. At one point at a gathering, Bramble and Hawk were discussing clan politics, and she's outright rude to Hawk until he leaves, and continues to bad mouth him in front of Bramble, while getting angry at him for spending more time with him over her. Squirrel quite literally got upset about Bramble not prioritizing her over everyone else, and especially Hawkfrost, his own kin. Which is...?? They weren't even mates yet, but imo her behavior in that scene was pretty cringe worthy. Even later when she ranted to Leafpool about it, Leafpool understood why Squirrel would be upset but was flabbergasted that Squirrel was willing to throw out her whole friendship with Bramble over it. Imo Squirrel was definitely being unreasonable.
As for the whole Leaf/Bramble thing, Bramble is a stickler for authority and following the code, so honestly the scenario of him and Leafpool ending up in any type of relationship is just incredibly low. However in the off set scenario they did end up in a relationship, and Leafpool broke up with him to keep her position, I highly doubt Bramble would be "pissed to high heaven". He had a right to be angry at Squirrelflight for lying and using him. On the other hand, if it came down to Leafpool wanting to end their relationship, because it's against the code, Bramble would definitely be way more understanding. Especially since his first reaction to Squirrelflight, after the truth got out, was him asking her why she didn't tell him the truth, and he was upset that she didn't trust him. Bramble would 100% be willing to help and protect the three, would he probably be upset about the break up? Yeah probably heartbroken, but outright pissed and angry? He'd have no reason to be.
He's not like Ashfur. Even in canon, he's shown to be patient with Squirrelflight in some scenes, and even willing to compromise for her sake. I feel like people forget that Bramble is just genuinely an understanding character, just that he also values the code the most. Loyalty and trust is important to him, and honestly the bare minimum he'd ask for in a relationship.
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Post by whiteflight on Jan 5, 2022 0:54:47 GMT -5
I do like this ship since Bramble has shown that he likes calm cats like Leafpool. Him and Squrrielflight fight too much which is annoying cause some times they fight over something dumb.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 8:41:08 GMT -5
If it was well-written, I would be all for it.
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Post by Chicken on Jan 7, 2022 12:58:52 GMT -5
I like that idea I always felt like Leafpool and Bramblestar were always more on the same maturity level than Squirrelflight and Leafpool, also, I still don't understand Leafpool x Crowfeather
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Post by Cheetahstar on Jan 8, 2022 2:45:01 GMT -5
One of my aus features
bramble x leaf squirrel x crow
squirrel, bramble, and leaf come together to raise the kits, pretending squirrel and bramble are mates (the yare very awkward about this, good friends but not matea)
so alder and spark are halfclan and the three are full thunder (and tiger bloodline so that lionpaw plot goes a bit differently)
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