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Post by Dɾҽαɱƈʅσυԃ on Dec 29, 2021 15:49:52 GMT -5
In the Warrior Cats series, foxes are usually portrayed to always be posing a serious threat to cats. Even when there are 40+ felines against two or four foxes, the stakes are considered high like in BotC when a small group of foxes is trying to settle down at Fourtrees and the Clans have some trouble driving them out. Now, I'm aware that foxes can vary in in size and temper but some scenes involving these animals threatening our favorite battle cats are just not that realistic when compared to how things often go in real life situations where foxes attacked cats or vice versa. And sure, a fox could easily kill a kit or an elderly cat but based on the countless recorded instances of one cat being able to easily outsmart and scare off a fox, they are not these careless and cruel beasts as seen in a lot of scenes during various Warriors books. In real life, foxes are rather cautious and tend to run away instead of risking to be injured when encountering or directly getting confronted by adult cats. They are very protective of their own kits though so that is at least something done right. I know as well though, that the Clan cats are mostly characterized as being very territorial while distrusting and instantly lashing out at other creatures (including each other) overstepping their boundaries or even unprovoked. So it's understandable that they get written to be the heroes of this story while other species are either beneath them or their bloodthirsty enemies. Then again, this is a fantasy series about talking animals with human emotions, organized religion and some of them having magical powers. So, theres that to consider when looking any realism. There could also just be a difference between wild foxes and those who have adapted to living near or in areas populated by humans. But still, I just wanted to point this out in regards to interactions/altercations between these two kinds in real life vs the series. That concludes most of what I wanted to make a thread about when it comes to this matter and I'm now simply going to include a few videos and pictures on how different foxes can be in real life vs the series. For the record, I love both of these animals and hope to see a fox (perhaps even a spirit) who can speak cat in this series one day. Since we already got a badger as well (Midnight). Two examples of Fox vs Cat (in real life):
Another smaller thing that has bothered me is the size difference of foxes and cats in this series. Foxes are normally only slightly bigger than cats but are shown to be much more so when they appear in some of the Graphic Novels. ASiR ( A Shadow in RiverClan): WoC ( Winds of Change: |
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Dec 29, 2021 15:54:05 GMT -5
Foxes in WC are probably a bigger threat than they are IRL
Shame they don't have coyotes, because those ARE a GIANT threat to cats
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Post by Dɾҽαɱƈʅσυԃ on Dec 29, 2021 16:26:23 GMT -5
Foxes in WC are probably a bigger threat than they are IRL Shame they don't have coyotes, because those ARE a GIANT threat to cats True. And agreed! Coyotes would be interesting to see as well although I'm not sure if they are even roaming the area where the Clans live. Granted, the series was supposed to take place in Great Britain for a while but the existence of Sharptooth, the mountain lion, in TNP made that unlikely. So anything is possible at this point. Or wolves. I know it's very unlikely for any wolf attacks to occur while the Clans are at the lake but they heard them howling on their various trips to the mountains so I would really like to at least see one encounter they have with a lone one or a pack. Although the latter would definitely end in a bloodbath while the former might go over well if the cats stay calm and the wolf isn't hungry or feels threatened. They are usually rather careful and even shy creatures albeit I'm not sure if that applies to cats too as it does to humans. |
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Dec 29, 2021 16:48:52 GMT -5
Foxes can still pose a great threat to cats.
There was a recent string of cat mutilations here in the states (forget what area), and people thought it was a human cat serial killer. But it turned out to be a fox
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Post by Dɾҽαɱƈʅσυԃ on Dec 29, 2021 17:30:40 GMT -5
Foxes can still pose a great threat to cats. There was a recent string of cat mutilations here in the states (forget what area), and people thought it was a human cat serial killer. But it turned out to be a fox Absolutely. It's just that most foxes think twice or are usually more careful/cautious when approaching an (adult) cat than shown in the series (except for kits or old cats since they are much easier to be viewed as prey rather than as an opponent). Also, could that "serial killer" fox from the states possibly have had rabies? Or where there multiple of them instead of just one doing all of the damage? |
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Dec 29, 2021 18:34:55 GMT -5
Foxes can still pose a great threat to cats. There was a recent string of cat mutilations here in the states (forget what area), and people thought it was a human cat serial killer. But it turned out to be a fox Absolutely. It's just that most foxes think twice or are usually more careful/cautious when approaching an (adult) cat than shown in the series (except for kits or old cats since they are much easier to be viewed as prey rather than as an opponent). Also, could that "serial killer" fox from the states possibly have had rabies? Or where there multiple of them instead of just one doing all of the damage? It didn't have rabies that I know of. And it was just the one going around killing ferals and outdoor cats (a good reason to keep your pets inside responsibly imho) |
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Post by tema on Dec 29, 2021 18:40:47 GMT -5
Foxes in WC are probably a bigger threat than they are IRL Shame they don't have coyotes, because those ARE a GIANT threat to cats True. And agreed! Coyotes would be interesting to see as well although I'm not sure if they are even roaming the area where the Clans live. Granted, the series was supposed to take place in Great Britain for a while but the existence of Sharptooth, the mountain lion, in TNP made that unlikely. So anything is possible at this point. Or wolves. I know it's very unlikely for any wolf attacks to occur while the Clans are at the lake but they heard them howling on their various trips to the mountains so I would really like to at least see one encounter they have with a lone one or a pack. Although the latter would definitely end in a bloodbath while the former might go over well if the cats stay calm and the wolf isn't hungry or feels threatened. They are usually rather careful and even shy creatures albeit I'm not sure if that applies to cats too as it does to humans. The whole idea of 'the First Sunrise' and Rock existing since the beginning of time hint that the series doesn't necessarily take place on Earth, in lieu of an Earth-like fantasy world. Plus they know what tigers are, or at least know their likeness. |
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Dec 29, 2021 22:09:21 GMT -5
Foxes in WC are probably a bigger threat than they are IRL Shame they don't have coyotes, because those ARE a GIANT threat to cats True. And agreed! Coyotes would be interesting to see as well although I'm not sure if they are even roaming the area where the Clans live. Granted, the series was supposed to take place in Great Britain for a while but the existence of Sharptooth, the mountain lion, in TNP made that unlikely. So anything is possible at this point. Or wolves. I know it's very unlikely for any wolf attacks to occur while the Clans are at the lake but they heard them howling on their various trips to the mountains so I would really like to at least see one encounter they have with a lone one or a pack. Although the latter would definitely end in a bloodbath while the former might go over well if the cats stay calm and the wolf isn't hungry or feels threatened. They are usually rather careful and even shy creatures albeit I'm not sure if that applies to cats too as it does to humans. Yeah. Red foxes and badgers? Sure. They exist in the UK. Mountain lions? Absolutely not. I wish they'd introduce coyotes since they aren't going realism anyways. I just know that coyotes are insanely dangerous around where I live for cats, but also dogs. I also find them more bone chilling than foxes. Coyotes have a terrible scream |
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Dec 29, 2021 22:48:49 GMT -5
True. And agreed! Coyotes would be interesting to see as well although I'm not sure if they are even roaming the area where the Clans live. Granted, the series was supposed to take place in Great Britain for a while but the existence of Sharptooth, the mountain lion, in TNP made that unlikely. So anything is possible at this point. Or wolves. I know it's very unlikely for any wolf attacks to occur while the Clans are at the lake but they heard them howling on their various trips to the mountains so I would really like to at least see one encounter they have with a lone one or a pack. Although the latter would definitely end in a bloodbath while the former might go over well if the cats stay calm and the wolf isn't hungry or feels threatened. They are usually rather careful and even shy creatures albeit I'm not sure if that applies to cats too as it does to humans. Yeah. Red foxes and badgers? Sure. They exist in the UK. Mountain lions? Absolutely not. I wish they'd introduce coyotes since they aren't going realism anyways. I just know that coyotes are insanely dangerous around where I live for cats, but also dogs. I also find them more bone chilling than foxes. Coyotes have a terrible scream You're right. Coyotes prey on feral/outdoor cats all the time. That's why it always baffles me when people let their cats roam when there are coyotes that will eat them |
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Post by vectoring34 on Dec 29, 2021 23:46:12 GMT -5
Foxes are dangerous, but their portrayal ought to be more akin to some really big, buff guy who's 6'6" rather than a true giant
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Dec 30, 2021 10:02:39 GMT -5
There's significant overlap in size between large tom cats and small vixens. Frankly, foxes would mostly be an issue for competing predation and territorial behavior, rather than because they're a threat to actual cats.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Dec 30, 2021 23:50:49 GMT -5
Yeah. Red foxes and badgers? Sure. They exist in the UK. Mountain lions? Absolutely not. I wish they'd introduce coyotes since they aren't going realism anyways. I just know that coyotes are insanely dangerous around where I live for cats, but also dogs. I also find them more bone chilling than foxes. Coyotes have a terrible scream You're right. Coyotes prey on feral/outdoor cats all the time. That's why it always baffles me when people let their cats roam when there are coyotes that will eat them Same. My two baby boys are nice and safe inside. Whenever I hear the sound of a coyote, it only assures me that keeping them inside is most definitely the right thing to do. |
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Dec 31, 2021 4:33:43 GMT -5
You're right. Coyotes prey on feral/outdoor cats all the time. That's why it always baffles me when people let their cats roam when there are coyotes that will eat them Same. My two baby boys are nice and safe inside. Whenever I hear the sound of a coyote, it only assures me that keeping them inside is most definitely the right thing to do. Oh definitely. The native wildlife and your cats thank you for that |
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Post by rabbit on Dec 31, 2021 5:04:15 GMT -5
Yeah. Red foxes and badgers? Sure. They exist in the UK. Mountain lions? Absolutely not. I wish they'd introduce coyotes since they aren't going realism anyways. I just know that coyotes are insanely dangerous around where I live for cats, but also dogs. I also find them more bone chilling than foxes. Coyotes have a terrible scream You're right. Coyotes prey on feral/outdoor cats all the time. That's why it always baffles me when people let their cats roam when there are coyotes that will eat them usually your cats will be fine if you let them out in broad daylight because coyotes are active at night. Just keep the cats inside at night. However it’s best to not let your cat out at all since they are so destructive of the local wildlife. |
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Dec 31, 2021 7:12:00 GMT -5
You're right. Coyotes prey on feral/outdoor cats all the time. That's why it always baffles me when people let their cats roam when there are coyotes that will eat them usually your cats will be fine if you let them out in broad daylight because coyotes are active at night. Just keep the cats inside at night. However it’s best to not let your cat out at all since they are so destructive of the local wildlife. While Coyotes may not be a threat, theres tons of other ones. Dogs, cars, bad people, etc. |
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Post by rabbit on Dec 31, 2021 15:17:36 GMT -5
usually your cats will be fine if you let them out in broad daylight because coyotes are active at night. Just keep the cats inside at night. However it’s best to not let your cat out at all since they are so destructive of the local wildlife. While Coyotes may not be a threat, theres tons of other ones. Dogs, cars, bad people, etc. yeah I agree. A cat is much more likely to be roadkill than eaten by a coyote during the day. |
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