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Post by vectoring34 on Dec 29, 2021 10:49:08 GMT -5
If you read Warriors, you would come away with the impression that rats are very dangerous prey, having killed more cats than any other prey animal (except maybe raptors, and I think the rats still have a higher kill count if I'm not mistaken). They are portrayed as moving in swarming packs which can easily overwhelm a cat if they're not careful and of course the rat leader takes it to the extreme with his near hivemind control.
Of course, as anyone who's ever seen interactions between rats and cats knows, this doesn't really happen. So then, my question is why rats of all things being portrayed as this lethal swarm?
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Post by flipwish on Dec 29, 2021 11:04:18 GMT -5
The question isn't why.......... it's who
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2021 11:18:36 GMT -5
when i first read raptors i forgot about birds of prey entirely and thought you meant that velociraptors were a common threat in warrior cats lol
also i love the fact that the rat leader exists
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Post by vectoring34 on Dec 29, 2021 11:37:09 GMT -5
Many species of rats do live in hierarchical groups with a dominant male, and are extremely territorial and will/can kill cats and even dogs that threaten their territory if the swarm is large enough, as they are incredibly aggressive and territorial. So it’s not exactly hyped up at all in the series. And everyone knows that rats carry numerous pathogens and countless diseases, so their bites being a serious concern of becoming infected and lethal is realistic. The cats do often encounter them in smaller groups as well which aren’t usually much of a problem when it comes to getting torn to shreds, though the bites are still something to be weary of. It’s when you encounter them in swarms consisting hundreds, sometimes even thousands of territorial rats that they pose a substantial threat. So no it’s really hyped, as they can definitely pose a real serious danger to the cats in the series. I want you to post proof that rats can kill cats or dogs because this sounds like an urban legend on par with gators living in NYC sewers. Real life rats may live in groups but they don't attack in swarms nor are they any kind of real threat to cats or dogs unless you're talking a newborn or some other tiny specimen.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Dec 29, 2021 15:50:17 GMT -5
Many species of rats do live in hierarchical groups with a dominant male, and are extremely territorial and will/can kill cats and even dogs that threaten their territory if the swarm is large enough, as they are incredibly aggressive and territorial. So it’s not exactly hyped up at all in the series. And everyone knows that rats carry numerous pathogens and countless diseases, so their bites being a serious concern of becoming infected and lethal is realistic. The cats do often encounter them in smaller groups as well which aren’t usually much of a problem when it comes to getting torn to shreds, though the bites are still something to be weary of. It’s when you encounter them in swarms consisting hundreds, sometimes even thousands of territorial rats that they pose a substantial threat. So no it’s really hyped, as they can definitely pose a real serious danger to the cats in the series. I want you to post proof that rats can kill cats or dogs because this sounds like an urban legend on par with gators living in NYC sewers. Real life rats may live in groups but they don't attack in swarms nor are they any kind of real threat to cats or dogs unless you're talking a newborn or some other tiny specimen. TW: "Disturbing Content. Viewers discretion is advised" While a typical Colony of rats consists of approximately 2-4 dozen specimens, dependent on environmental factors/abundance of food etc. under the right conditions their populations can grow exponentially into an uncontrollable volume, and under incidents of extreme adverse conditions, such as flooding, heat wave or food scarcity, multiple colonies can congregate and shelter in a concentrated area(such as a barn) to escape said conditions, or because it has an much more abundant supply of food, like during winter. now the frequency of the cats encountering such colonies is definitely a little exaggerated in the series, since under normal circumstances, cats practice avoidance of rats due to the high-risk factor of injury or death compared to other prey items. but then again this is a fictional series that's definitely going to make unrealistic changes to make things interesting, I mean we have cats living in large social circles, which is very inaccurate to say the least. And an adult cat or dog being attacked and mauled to death by rats, with the rat's intent of feeding on the carcass is uncommon, however if their provoked or starving, it can definitely happen. the real danger is contracting disease or wounds becoming infected by rat bite's, which is a very real threat, especially in the wild were human medicine is nonexistent, thus making it much more critical. And I can also speak from personal experience from my sister who works in the pest control industry, and I myself have also assisted her that rats being highly problematic and dangerous towards cats and dogs is a legitimate concern. and I've heard plenty of sad stories from clients that have tragically lost their cat or dog from either being mauled to death, or infection from rat bites sustained from being attacked by large groups. Note: Many of said fatalities were partially the pet owners' fault, for having large quantities of trash, food scraps, bird seed and other edible rubbish present on their properties, which undoubtedly attracted the large infestation of rats that they inadvertently have aided into becoming a problem. Overall, the number of incidents occurring in the series is higher than what's normal under most circumstances, since they both take measures to avoid the other. but the dangerous implications from when said encounters happen, is very much real.
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Post by rabbit on Dec 29, 2021 15:59:29 GMT -5
The rats’ abilities are hyped up like the cats abilities so it doesn’t bother me. If the rats have their own ‘clan’ in the series, I can definitely see rats working together to kill and drive off cats much like cats working together to bring down eagles. Real life rats would find ways to avoid threats like any other animal, of course, since the risk of injury is not worth it to them.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Dec 29, 2021 18:44:17 GMT -5
Probably because Warriors is a fictional series and doesn't necessarily have to always be realistic. We did see Firestar even talking with the rats after all.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Dec 29, 2021 21:13:18 GMT -5
fantasy animal series always needs an "evil" animal like rats and foxes. idk, i always found that fantasy media in general casts certain animals in a bad light all the time.
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Post by vectoring34 on Dec 29, 2021 22:44:31 GMT -5
I want you to post proof that rats can kill cats or dogs because this sounds like an urban legend on par with gators living in NYC sewers. Real life rats may live in groups but they don't attack in swarms nor are they any kind of real threat to cats or dogs unless you're talking a newborn or some other tiny specimen. TW: "Disturbing Content. Viewers discretion is advised" While a typical Colony of rats consists of approximately 2-4 dozen specimens, dependent on environmental factors/abundance of food etc. under the right conditions their populations can grow exponentially into an uncontrollable volume, and under incidents of extreme adverse conditions, such as flooding, heat wave or food scarcity, multiple colonies can congregate and shelter in a concentrated area(such as a barn) to escape said conditions, or because it has an much more abundant supply of food, like during winter. now the frequency of the cats encountering such colonies is definitely a little exaggerated in the series, since under normal circumstances, cats practice avoidance of rats due to the high-risk factor of injury or death compared to other prey items. but then again this is a fictional series that's definitely going to make unrealistic changes to make things interesting, I mean we have cats living in large social circles, which is very inaccurate to say the least. And an adult cat or dog being attacked and mauled to death by rats, with the rat's intent of feeding on the carcass is uncommon, however if their provoked or starving, it can definitely happen. the real danger is contracting disease or wounds becoming infected by rat bite's, which is a very real threat, especially in the wild were human medicine is nonexistent, thus making it much more critical. And I can also speak from personal experience from my sister who works in the pest control industry, and I myself have also assisted her that rats being highly problematic and dangerous towards cats and dogs is a legitimate concern. and I've heard plenty of sad stories from clients that have tragically lost their cat or dog from either being mauled to death, or infection from rat bites sustained from being attacked by large groups. Note: Many of said fatalities were partially the pet owners' fault, for having large quantities of trash, food scraps, bird seed and other edible rubbish present on their properties, which undoubtedly attracted the large infestation of rats that they inadvertently have aided into becoming a problem. Overall, the number of incidents occurring in the series is higher than what's normal under most circumstances, since they both take measures to avoid the other. but the dangerous implications from when said encounters happen, is very much real. Not one of those things you posted claims rats can hurt cats or dogs except with disease except for one, and that one is only pointing out cats and dogs small enough that a rat can 1v1 it, like a kitten. Cats might avoid rats on principle for being annoying prey, but it's because they nip and bite, not because the rat can actually seriously wound it or kill it with raw power. I must also confess I have my doubts about your sister's testimony that the rats up and mauled cats and dogs to death. If such a thing ever happened, it would be all over the news no doubt, people "love" to hear brutalized pet stories (see any news story featuring a pitbull attack). But no such story has ever appeared aside from hearsay or urban legend, and I believe that's simply because it doesn't happen. Maybe small kittens or puppies being killed opportunistically, but this is a far cry from a full grown cat or dog being seriously threatened.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Dec 30, 2021 12:13:35 GMT -5
Mm, considering how smart rats are in general, I wouldn't put it past them being capable of giving feral cats a run for their money. Especially because of how they're also known for carrying sickness and diseases, and their bites can cause infections. But at the same time I do think the books hype them up a bit too much, then again the series isn't really known for its realism? I do think that in this subject though, that foxes are done worse when it comes to writing.
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Post by tema on Dec 30, 2021 13:52:54 GMT -5
The rats’ abilities are hyped up like the cats abilities so it doesn’t bother me. If the rats have their own ‘clan’ in the series, I can definitely see rats working together to kill and drive off cats much like cats working together to bring down eagles. Real life rats would find ways to avoid threats like any other animal, of course, since the risk of injury is not worth it to them. From the New York Times bestselling author of Warriors, Seekers, and Survivors: Scavengers
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Post by vectoring34 on Dec 30, 2021 14:06:29 GMT -5
Mm, considering how smart rats are in general, I wouldn't put it past them being capable of giving feral cats a run for their money. Especially because of how they're also known for carrying sickness and diseases, and their bites can cause infections. But at the same time I do think the books hype them up a bit too much, then again the series isn't really known for its realism? I do think that in this subject though, that foxes are done worse when it comes to writing. I find the rats worse personally just because a fox at least I could see 1v1ing a cat and winning, albeit the way it’s done in the books is a bit exaggerated. Things like Graypaw being pinned by two rats is imo far more egregious
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Post by rabbit on Dec 30, 2021 15:24:55 GMT -5
The rats’ abilities are hyped up like the cats abilities so it doesn’t bother me. If the rats have their own ‘clan’ in the series, I can definitely see rats working together to kill and drive off cats much like cats working together to bring down eagles. Real life rats would find ways to avoid threats like any other animal, of course, since the risk of injury is not worth it to them. From the New York Times bestselling author of Warriors, Seekers, and Survivors: Scavengers I’d read it.
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Post by thewinterblaze on Dec 30, 2021 17:22:41 GMT -5
The rats’ abilities are hyped up like the cats abilities so it doesn’t bother me. If the rats have their own ‘clan’ in the series, I can definitely see rats working together to kill and drive off cats much like cats working together to bring down eagles. Real life rats would find ways to avoid threats like any other animal, of course, since the risk of injury is not worth it to them. From the New York Times bestselling author of Warriors, Seekers, and Survivors: Scavengers For a second there I thought you were talking about WoF scavengers, then I remembered.
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