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Post by cheeselamps on Dec 27, 2021 22:03:12 GMT -5
Since Spottedleaf was such a terrible guide for Jayfeather, I was thinking and came to the conclusion that Feathertail would have been a much better option. I mean, his name is Jay feather in honor of Crowfeather, who named himself after Feathertail, so we could say that Jayfeather is kinda related to her, don't you think? They also look inexplicably alike and, knowing how well Feathertail treated Crowpaw during the journey, it's safe to say that she would have been kind and patient to Jay, too. She loved Crowfeather's kits, after all. Here's a little drawing I made about this idea.
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Post by rabbit on Dec 27, 2021 22:42:51 GMT -5
This is a cool idea. Makes sense especially since they both have connection to the Tribe of endless hunting (Jayfeather via Jay’s Wing).
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Dec 27, 2021 23:20:11 GMT -5
The drawing is very pretty! And it probably would've made more sense than Spottedleaf, at least.
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Post by crowspirit on Dec 28, 2021 6:26:34 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't know why Spottedleaf was forced into this role. She has no connection to Jayfeather apart from being in love with his grandfather, while Feathertail was present at his birth and was also kind of in a relationship with his father. I think Feathertail being Jayfeatherʼs StarClan guide would have made much more sense.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Dec 28, 2021 16:39:05 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't know why Spottedleaf was forced into this role. She has no connection to Jayfeather apart from being in love with his grandfather, while Feathertail was present at his birth and was also kind of in a relationship with his father. I think Feathertail being Jayfeatherʼs StarClan guide would have made much more sense. Might have been partly to do with Feathertail walking with The Tribe of Endless Hunting most of the time, and her not being amongst Starclan on a regular enough basis in order to be his Spirit Guide, since she wouldn’t be able to maintain high enough attendance to fulfill the role.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Dec 28, 2021 16:41:58 GMT -5
I love your drawing and this idea! Spottedleaf was sadly a bad StarClan guide in general but especially towards Leafpool and Jayfeather.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Dec 28, 2021 19:34:26 GMT -5
I wish it were that way. Every scene between Spottedleaf and Jayfeather always felt so awkward because it was too clear that Spottedleaf only cared about Jayfeather because of Firestar. Feathertail would have been so much better as a guide, as knowing her, she would have been genuinely helpful and caring about Jayfeather. Great drawing!
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Dec 29, 2021 16:01:25 GMT -5
I'm not sure Feathertail would have been much better. She was involved with the whole Leafpool hiding the kits parentage AND was similar to Spottedleaf in terms of 'Oh. The kits of my love interest are my kits' - and I think that kind of thing makes the guides act weird.
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Post by cheeselamps on Dec 29, 2021 19:02:05 GMT -5
I'm not sure Feathertail would have been much better. She was involved with the whole Leafpool hiding the kits parentage AND was similar to Spottedleaf in terms of 'Oh. The kits of my love interest are my kits' - and I think that kind of thing makes the guides act weird. I understand what you mean, but this ain't no Spottedleaf. Unlike her, Feathertail accepted her own death and never interfered in Leafpool and Crowfeather's relationship, she encouraged Leafpool to be with him even though she still loved him. She's selfless. But I agree with you about the secret, I was never a fan of how the Erins made Feathertail behave towards the whole incident. The Feathertail I know would have spoken without fear eventually, but I like to think that she was remembering everything she and her brother had to go through because of their parentage. In this particular scenario, I love the idea of her being honest with Jayfeather at some point. Who knows? Maybe an argument between them would have been interesting to read. Also, I don't exactly get why you say that she wouldn't have been much better. I mean, Spottedleaf treated Jayfeather horribly by not letting him have an opinion and forcing him to become a medicine cat. But Feathertail was a warrior and used to feel that she didn't fit into RiverClan, so she would have understood our little Jay way much better than Spottedleaf. And no, I'm not counting that one scene in ALitM where Feathertail gets jealous. That was totally out of character.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Dec 29, 2021 20:53:52 GMT -5
Jayfeather's official (as far as "official" anything goes in this regard) StarClan mentor is Yellowfang, who I do actually feel was the best option. Spottedleaf just kinda showed up here and there to chat and order him around, which was funny to see.
I do think Feathertail talking to Jayfeather here and there as well would have been fantastic though. I don't think she should have had Yellowfang's place as the main guide, but she at least could have showed up every once in a while, lol
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Dec 29, 2021 21:15:06 GMT -5
feathertail thinks of crow x leaf's kits as her own. also: pre-TBC assassination (where they made feathertail come off as bratty and jealous which is out of character for her), feathertail wasn't obsessive or jealous like spottedleaf, so she'd make a far better guide back in OotS.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Dec 29, 2021 22:06:27 GMT -5
I'm not sure Feathertail would have been much better. She was involved with the whole Leafpool hiding the kits parentage AND was similar to Spottedleaf in terms of 'Oh. The kits of my love interest are my kits' - and I think that kind of thing makes the guides act weird. I understand what you mean, but this ain't no Spottedleaf. Unlike her, Feathertail accepted her own death and never interfered in Leafpool and Crowfeather's relationship, she encouraged Leafpool to be with him even though she still loved him. She's selfless. But I agree with you about the secret, I was never a fan of how the Erins made Feathertail behave towards the whole incident. The Feathertail I know would have spoken without fear eventually, but I like to think that she was remembering everything she and her brother had to go through because of their parentage. In this particular scenario, I love the idea of her being honest with Jayfeather at some point. Who knows? Maybe an argument between them would have been interesting to read. Also, I don't exactly get why you say that she wouldn't have been much better. I mean, Spottedleaf treated Jayfeather horribly by not letting him have an opinion and forcing him to become a medicine cat. But Feathertail was a warrior and used to feel that she didn't fit into RiverClan, so she would have understood our little Jay way much better than Spottedleaf. And no, I'm not counting that one scene in ALitM where Feathertail gets jealous. That was totally out of character. Feathertail has always felt like diet Spottedleaf to me in Starclan, so my opinion is unlikely to change - especially with ALitM ASiR is the only time I really like her as a character too
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Post by cheeselamps on Dec 30, 2021 0:31:06 GMT -5
I understand what you mean, but this ain't no Spottedleaf. Unlike her, Feathertail accepted her own death and never interfered in Leafpool and Crowfeather's relationship, she encouraged Leafpool to be with him even though she still loved him. She's selfless. But I agree with you about the secret, I was never a fan of how the Erins made Feathertail behave towards the whole incident. The Feathertail I know would have spoken without fear eventually, but I like to think that she was remembering everything she and her brother had to go through because of their parentage. In this particular scenario, I love the idea of her being honest with Jayfeather at some point. Who knows? Maybe an argument between them would have been interesting to read. Also, I don't exactly get why you say that she wouldn't have been much better. I mean, Spottedleaf treated Jayfeather horribly by not letting him have an opinion and forcing him to become a medicine cat. But Feathertail was a warrior and used to feel that she didn't fit into RiverClan, so she would have understood our little Jay way much better than Spottedleaf. And no, I'm not counting that one scene in ALitM where Feathertail gets jealous. That was totally out of character. Feathertail has always felt like diet Spottedleaf to me in Starclan, so my opinion is unlikely to change - especially with ALitM ASiR is the only time I really like her as a character too Don't worry, that's ok. We can always agree to disagree.
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Post by seantheskyhunter on Dec 30, 2021 13:21:46 GMT -5
I totally agree. Feathertail îs a much powerful stand then Spottedleaf
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Post by rabbit on Dec 30, 2021 15:04:09 GMT -5
I totally agree. Feathertail îs a much powerful stand then Spottedleaf tfw Breezepelt vs Jayfeather was technically a fight with stands.
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Post by cheeselamps on Dec 31, 2021 0:21:02 GMT -5
I don't have anything to add to the conversation--but that art is adorable! I really like your style! That's so nice of you to say! Thank you so much. <3 In fact, I'm also grateful to a bunch of people around here who said they liked my drawing as well. I hope to show you more in future threads.
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Post by seantheskyhunter on Dec 31, 2021 8:51:28 GMT -5
I totally agree. Feathertail îs a much powerful stand then Spottedleaf tfw Breezepelt vs Jayfeather was technically a fight with stands. I remember that Brokenstar was Breezepelt's stand. But Honeyfern wasnt Jayfeather's but Poppyfrost's stand
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Post by rabbit on Dec 31, 2021 18:37:52 GMT -5
tfw Breezepelt vs Jayfeather was technically a fight with stands. I remember that Brokenstar was Breezepelt's stand. But Honeyfern wasnt Jayfeather's but Poppyfrost's stand I just reread the scene and it was Jayfeather. Poppyfrost just watched from the sidelines because being pregnant in Warriors makes characters dainty or something.
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Post by cloudpaw on Dec 31, 2021 19:38:34 GMT -5
Not sure if spottedleaf was that bad to guide Jayfeather. Jayfeather was just a really bad cat to guide
And I wouldn´t take Feathertail instead. She was not the same clan and she is much to soft.
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Post by cheeselamps on Jan 6, 2022 20:39:10 GMT -5
Not sure if spottedleaf was that bad to guide Jayfeather. Jayfeather was just a really bad cat to guide And I wouldn´t take Feathertail instead. She was not the same clan and she is much to soft. Sorry for the late reply. I don't think Jayfeather was a bad cat to guide, actually. He wanted to be a warrior and Spottedleaf never considered his opinion at all. Even Leafpool told him that he would never be able to fulfill his wish. Both are shitty things to do, it's completely understandable that he behaved like that all the time. On the other hand, Feathertail was a warrior, not a medicine cat, so she would have understood Jayfeather way much better than Leafpool or Spottedleaf. He just needed someone willing to listen, and Feathertail always listened to others.
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