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Post by Aqua on Dec 27, 2021 12:29:11 GMT -5
Why do you think she's so popular?
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Post by tema on Dec 27, 2021 13:17:20 GMT -5
She still cared about the worldbuilding of the series even when the rest of the plot was determined to try to go off-the-rails. I kid...
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Post by 🎃𝚜𝚙𝚊𝚛𝚔𝚜𝚌𝚊𝚝𝚝𝚎𝚛🦇 on Dec 27, 2021 13:27:33 GMT -5
because she's a bad bitch that deserved better
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Dec 27, 2021 13:40:36 GMT -5
She's a main POV character that had a lot of likable traits to fans such as sticking to the warrior code and wanting to be important to her clan. Plus she has a lot of famous animations on her such as the "Buy the stars" map. Also she just had an interesting downfall
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Cloudstorm
Don’t let it kill you. Even when it hurts like hell.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Dec 27, 2021 14:31:17 GMT -5
The parsimonious explanation. Her uniqueness, by that meaning her Mental state degrading very rapidly after the secret comes out, which is very uncommonly explored in this series, her redemption arc and tragic sacrifice in the Great Battle, also her being one of the only(until recently, not sure when confirmed?) Protagonists to not have a love interest, and results in her story exploring much more critical and unique points in the series, with her ambition and drive to follow the warrior code, and becoming a great leader that follows in the pawsteps of her Grandfather and Father(who up until the reveal, she thought was her father), that continued the legacy of being diplomatic, reasonable, avoiding conflict were possible, and overall just having an insatiable drive to make things better between the clans(even though she doesn’t make the best decisions in regards to this, but she was young). Which is again is very rare to see a female protagonists show such strong interest in the political and religious matters and interpersonal dynamics between all four clans, combined with a strong ambition to make beneficial changes to benefit everyone long-term. It’s a refreshing change-of-pace from the typical coming-of-age, discovering-my-place in the world type story that’s been used to deaf in this series. She has struggles the deviate from the tedious jealousy, being bullied and simply wishing to fit in and be normal, which isn’t inherently bad, but is incredibly generic and super overused amongst children’s literature, she’s relatable to larger demographic, and age range then the typical protagonists we get in the series.
to summarize. She’s unique, and there’s no one even remotely comparable in terms of storytelling( aside from her Brothers to some extent and Firestar) She’s a one-of-a-kind diamond in the rough, that even if you don’t particularly like her character, there’s no other options of a similar story to get emotionally invested in with any other character really in the series, so she wins by default from lack of competitors.
Wow intended to keep this short, but ended up dragging along, oh well.
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Post by Kookie on Dec 27, 2021 14:32:03 GMT -5
She's a very morally grey cat who went though a very interesting arc! This is mainly seen I believe in the 'Flaws' and soon will also be seen in the 'Glass' map. No other cats are like Hollyleaf. Besides, she never took a mate as well despite being an important POV character. I just love her <3
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Post by tema on Dec 27, 2021 14:37:53 GMT -5
also her being one of the only(until recently, not sure when confirmed?) Protagonists to not have a love interest, Hollyleaf's Story set her up with Fallen Leaves.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Dec 27, 2021 14:51:41 GMT -5
She had an interesting character arc. I didn't care for her much when I was younger, but as an adult reader, I appreciate her story a lot more. Her obsession with the code, lack of prophecy power, downward spiral, and eventual snap is fascinating to read. Her legalistic morality directly tied to her sense of worth, and that makes for a really compelling character to read about.
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Cloudstorm
Don’t let it kill you. Even when it hurts like hell.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Dec 27, 2021 14:54:52 GMT -5
also her being one of the only(until recently, not sure when confirmed?) Protagonists to not have a love interest, Hollyleaf's Story set her up with Fallen Leaves. Hollyleaf’s Story was written by Victoria Holmes alone, and she confirmed they were never mates or loved eachother, so canonically they aren’t mates. My question was more referring too when it was “changed” by them placing them as Mates on the family tree after Vicky Holmes had stepped down as editor, which I’m presuming happened much more recently??.
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Post by Aqua on Dec 27, 2021 15:59:22 GMT -5
She had an interesting character arc. I didn't care for her much when I was younger, but as an adult reader, I appreciate her story a lot more. Her obsession with the code, lack of prophecy power, downward spiral, and eventual snap is fascinating to read. Her legalistic morality directly tied to her sense of worth, and that makes for a really compelling character to read about. Honestly, compared to how most of the characters are written these days, Hollyleaf's character arc is probably one of the best written stories in the entire series. She has some flaws, like a rushed redemption, but I've always enjoyed her arc the most. She's the reason why Po3 is my favorite.
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Post by tema on Dec 27, 2021 16:09:47 GMT -5
Hollyleaf's Story set her up with Fallen Leaves. Hollyleaf’s Story was written by Victoria Holmes alone, and she confirmed they were never mates or loved eachother, so canonically they aren’t mates. My question was more referring too when it was “changed” by them placing them as Mates on the family tree after Vicky Holmes had stepped down as editor, which I’m presuming happened much more recently??. If it's a published book that doesn't get retconned, it's a valid source. Canonically they don't mate because cross-afterlife romances really aren't a thing (otherwise we probably would have seen Talljake wondering around together by now, even considering the censorship-for-foreign-markets), so them not hitching post-StarClan really isn't an indication.
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Aroace
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Dec 27, 2021 17:27:51 GMT -5
because she's a bad bitch that deserved better Could not have said it better myself! Short and to the point.
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Post by vectoring34 on Dec 27, 2021 18:42:13 GMT -5
Because she has massive mommy issues and I'm at least 70% sure that a decent chunk of the fandom also has those. This answer is not entirely serious
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Dec 27, 2021 20:24:49 GMT -5
Because Hollyleaf's downfall is unique and well-written in its regard and captured the attention of basically everyone. It made her more interesting, and more popular, instantly.
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Post by cheeselamps on Dec 27, 2021 21:33:17 GMT -5
Because of her mental breakdown, I guess. It was quite interesting, since mental illnesses in Warriors are not precisely common. It could be said that Hollyleaf developed some kind of depression during that time, but I doubt the Erins wanted to make it that deep.
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Cloudstorm
Don’t let it kill you. Even when it hurts like hell.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Dec 28, 2021 13:37:49 GMT -5
Hollyleaf’s Story was written by Victoria Holmes alone, and she confirmed they were never mates or loved eachother, so canonically they aren’t mates. My question was more referring too when it was “changed” by them placing them as Mates on the family tree after Vicky Holmes had stepped down as editor, which I’m presuming happened much more recently??. If it's a published book that doesn't get retconned, it's a valid source. Canonically they don't mate because cross-afterlife romances really aren't a thing (otherwise we probably would have seen Talljake wondering around together by now, even considering the censorship-for-foreign-markets), so them not hitching post-StarClan really isn't an indication. Victoria Wrote them as a platonic relationship, no insinuations of them ever being potentially mates, whether in the afterlife or while Hollyleaf was alive, which honestly even while she’s alive it’s disturbing, because Fallen leaves is a literal poltergeist. And Hollyleaf’s story has never been a source to prove there was ever anything romantic between them, and in fact quite frankly, them putting Hollyleaf and Fallen leaves as mates on the family tree is retconning Hollyleaf’s story, not vice versa.
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Post by kells on Dec 28, 2021 14:39:03 GMT -5
She was a very interesting twist on the generic "I wanna be the best warrior" archetype this series offers
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Post by tema on Dec 28, 2021 14:43:53 GMT -5
If it's a published book that doesn't get retconned, it's a valid source. Canonically they don't mate because cross-afterlife romances really aren't a thing (otherwise we probably would have seen Talljake wondering around together by now, even considering the censorship-for-foreign-markets), so them not hitching post-StarClan really isn't an indication. Victoria Wrote them as a platonic relationship, no insinuations of them ever being potentially mates, whether in the afterlife or while Hollyleaf was alive, which honestly even while she’s alive it’s disturbing, because Fallen leaves is a literal poltergeist. And Hollyleaf’s story has never been a source to prove there was ever anything romantic between them, and in fact quite frankly, them putting Hollyleaf and Fallen leaves as mates on the family tree is retconning Hollyleaf’s story, not vice versa. They're as platonic as TallJake my dude.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Dec 28, 2021 17:41:33 GMT -5
Victoria Wrote them as a platonic relationship, no insinuations of them ever being potentially mates, whether in the afterlife or while Hollyleaf was alive, which honestly even while she’s alive it’s disturbing, because Fallen leaves is a literal poltergeist. And Hollyleaf’s story has never been a source to prove there was ever anything romantic between them, and in fact quite frankly, them putting Hollyleaf and Fallen leaves as mates on the family tree is retconning Hollyleaf’s story, not vice versa. They're as platonic as TallJake my dude. No, not really. They were affectionate in Hollyleaf's Story, but for the most part, people didn't consider them a canon pairing until the family tree stuck them together. And the family tree is a questionable source anyway. There's an about equal level of affection between Jayfeather and Briarlight, who are definitely canonically platonic. Just because two characters are easily shippable doesn't mean they're mates. The opinion that FallenHolly is platonic should be respected.
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Post by tema on Dec 28, 2021 17:49:39 GMT -5
They're as platonic as TallJake my dude. There's an about equal level of affection between Jayfeather and Briarlight Hard disagree.
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Post by 𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥 on Dec 29, 2021 8:58:55 GMT -5
I literally don't know. Maybe bc she's badass and rejects the idea of kits? Well, that's the only likable thing about her imo.
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