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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Dec 6, 2021 11:53:51 GMT -5
After seeing yet another thread about the nostalgic old forums I never had the joy to experience: wcrpforums.com/thread/86464/old-fandom-stuff-bring-back and getting this idea from a comment on there made by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam, I'm now resolved to revive the legendary Lionblaze shipping "discussions" on here in a fun way that will certainly not get this thread locked since LionCinder is canon anyways (*sigh*). So, everyone feel free to share your favorite couples involving the formerly invincible Lionblaze. Mine are LionHeather (hopeless), LionIce (still wish this had happened instead) and LionToad (please ignore what the writing team did to Toadstep in Dovewing's Silence as he deserved much better than that).
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Dec 6, 2021 12:39:04 GMT -5
Ok yes, yes, lets go!
I present to you why LionCinder>LionHeather
1. Lionblaze as an apprentice was loosing sleep over Heatherpaw, causing him to preform badly in his apprenticeship. Their relationship was harming his ability to be a good warrior. (The same might've gone with Heatherpaw.)
2. Lionblaze's own family has been hurt by a half-clan relationship, and he might have to loose his closest friend Jayfeather if he becomes mates with heathertail. (TC Lionblaze: Jayfeather feels hurt that Lionblaze took a mate in another clan like leafpool did and it harms their friendship. WC Lionblaze: Lionblaze no longer gets to see Jayfeather everyday and their friendship would be weakened. He'd be betraying his brother either way)
3. I prefer Breezepelt x Heathertail because I think they're cuter
4. Lionblaze grew up with Cinderheart so the two know each other very well
5. Cinderheart was there for Lionblaze after he ended Russetfur and many more.
6. Cinderheart and Lionblaze's kits are mostly very adorable and awesome.
To be honest, I think both ships are equally cute and infuriating but I want to battle.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Dec 6, 2021 13:25:35 GMT -5
lionblaze x honeyfern will always be my preferred AU ship
lion x cinder just sucks so much and he just HAD to fall for the most boring looking sister, huh? when we had poppyfrost (calico) and honeyfern (a she-cat who looks like her dad....which is sadly rare). cinderheart is too mellow, but honeyfern will always be the more outspoken and headstrong one. she would have matched lionblaze way better.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Dec 6, 2021 13:44:37 GMT -5
Ok yes, yes, lets go! I present to you why LionCinder>LionHeather 1. Lionblaze as an apprentice was loosing sleep over Heatherpaw, causing him to preform badly in his apprenticeship. Their relationship was harming his ability to be a good warrior. (The same might've gone with Heatherpaw.) 2. Lionblaze's own family has been hurt by a half-clan relationship, and he might have to loose his closest friend Jayfeather if he becomes mates with heathertail. (TC Lionblaze: Jayfeather feels hurt that Lionblaze took a mate in another clan like leafpool did and it harms their friendship. WC Lionblaze: Lionblaze no longer gets to see Jayfeather everyday and their friendship would be weakened. He'd be betraying his brother either way) 3. I prefer Breezepelt x Heathertail because I think they're cuter 4. Lionblaze grew up with Cinderheart so the two know each other very well 5. Cinderheart was there for Lionblaze after he ended Russetfur and many more. 6. Cinderheart and Lionblaze's kits are mostly very adorable and awesome. To be honest, I think both ships are equally cute and infuriating but I want to battle. You win when it comes to LionCinder being the canon pairing and their development in the story. But I personally both hate how overdramatic they both were during OotS in terms of their relationship and the overall concept of Cinderheart being handled as the rebirth of Cinderpelt although it was really more of a possession thing since she left after Cinderheart and Lionblaze finally confessed their love to each other in TLH. I would have liked Cinderheart and perhaps even her romance with Lionblaze if she had simply just been named in honor of her aunt Cinderpelt instead without the possession plot and if their romance was presented with less drama in the fourth arc. There was no need for that back and forth stuff except to create unnecessary/annoying conflict. In terms of LionHeather, my current stance on forbidden romance in the Warriors series is that it has become quite repetitive with a new forbidden couple or at least the renewed drama of an older one in every arc except DotC. TPB had GraySilver, TNP and PoT had CrowLeaf, OotS and AVoS had TigerDove while TBC had RootBristle. I'm very sure there will be a new one in ASC. That being said, I would have loved to see LionHeather happen properly even if it had still not worked out in the end but with a much later breakup than in the canon scource material. Especially because it could have been the perfect instance of them mirroring CrowLeaf which definitely should have made the drama this family had even more entertaining to read about in terms of the dynamic between them all. Both Crowfeather and Leafpool were sure to be devastated if they realized their son had taken the same path and "made the same mistake" (in their minds) which they did temporarily in TNP. While I still do not ship CrowLeaf either, their drama was certainly more fun to me than the one about LionCinder and TigerDove. But that is an entirely biased opinion on my part, of course.
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Post by Moonblazer on Dec 6, 2021 14:01:13 GMT -5
I personally wanted LionIce simply because I thought they were cute and because I liked HollyCinder more than LionCinder. I also like LionBerryPoppy as an OT3 too.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Dec 6, 2021 14:13:16 GMT -5
lionblaze x honeyfern will always be my preferred AU ship lion x cinder just sucks so much and he just HAD to fall for the most boring looking sister, huh? when we had poppyfrost (calico) and honeyfern (a she-cat who looks like her dad....which is sadly rare). cinderheart is too mellow, but honeyfern will always be the more outspoken and headstrong one. she would have matched lionblaze way better. I would have adored to see either LionHoney or LionPoppy instead of both of them falling for Berrynose and probably being unhappy for some time on different occasions. Honeyfern must have been sad for a while to see her mate move on rather soon after her death and with her own sister at that while Poppyfrost was outright shown to be unhappy because she thought Berrynose still loved Honeyfern more than he could ever love her. Who knows what might happen when all three of them are in StarClan. Now I'm wondering if there will be a scene in ASC showing Frostpaw seeing Berrynose be more than happy (mates again) with Honeyfern in StarClan. That would make for some big drama between them all later on. But I doubt it happens (and also hope it does not for the sake of Poppyfrost).
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Dec 6, 2021 14:21:39 GMT -5
lionblaze x honeyfern will always be my preferred AU ship lion x cinder just sucks so much and he just HAD to fall for the most boring looking sister, huh? when we had poppyfrost (calico) and honeyfern (a she-cat who looks like her dad....which is sadly rare). cinderheart is too mellow, but honeyfern will always be the more outspoken and headstrong one. she would have matched lionblaze way better. I would have adored to see either LionHoney or LionPoppy instead of both of them falling for Berrynose and probably being unhappy for some time on different occasions. Honeyfern must have been sad for a while to see her mate move on rather soon after her death and with her own sister at that while Poppyfrost was outright shown to be unhappy because she thought Berrynose still loved Honeyfern more than he could ever love her. Who knows what might happen when all three of them are in StarClan. Now I'm wondering if there will be a scene in ASC showing Frostpaw seeing Berrynose be more than happy (mates again) with Honeyfern in StarClan. That would make for some big drama between them all later on. But I doubt it happens (and also hope it does not for the sake of Poppyfrost). lion x honey and berry x poppy from the beginning would have been good. whenver i do these in AU's, i dont make it a love triangle because those suck. berry x poppy from the beginning would have been so good
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Dec 6, 2021 14:29:23 GMT -5
the real question is why TWO she cats liked berrynose. he was a turd.
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Post by 𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥 on Dec 6, 2021 14:34:09 GMT -5
LionToad, LionIce and LionHoney had my heart and I would have preferred them over Cinderheart. I also like LionHeather.
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Post by Moonblazer on Dec 6, 2021 14:34:16 GMT -5
the real question is why TWO she cats liked berrynose. he was a turd. Probably due to his high confidence. Berrynose was annoying, sure, but he was not some horrible cat either. It’s very clear he showed a ton of love for both Honeyfern and Poppyfrost, and that his feelings were very genuine. Poppyfrost and Berrynose also share a very blunt and confident nature in many of their scenes. Poppyfrost also had liked Berrynose before she ever knew Honeyfern was interested. More than likely, it’s a case of biased POV because we see it from Lionblaze’s eyes, and Lion and Berry always butted heads as ambitious apprentices do. There was never any indication that Berrynose ever treated Honeyfern or Poppyfrost badly. He probably was a genuinely entertaining, confident and proud cat and it appealed to both sisters. I actually really liked the irony that such a boisterous and annoying cat like Berrynose is still capable of attracting other cats and being a genuinely caring and dedicated cat when he needs to be.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Dec 6, 2021 14:48:14 GMT -5
I would have adored to see either LionHoney or LionPoppy instead of both of them falling for Berrynose and probably being unhappy for some time on different occasions. Honeyfern must have been sad for a while to see her mate move on rather soon after her death and with her own sister at that while Poppyfrost was outright shown to be unhappy because she thought Berrynose still loved Honeyfern more than he could ever love her. Who knows what might happen when all three of them are in StarClan. Now I'm wondering if there will be a scene in ASC showing Frostpaw seeing Berrynose be more than happy (mates again) with Honeyfern in StarClan. That would make for some big drama between them all later on. But I doubt it happens (and also hope it does not for the sake of Poppyfrost). lion x honey and berry x poppy from the beginning would have been good. whenver i do these in AU's, i dont make it a love triangle because those suck. berry x poppy from the beginning would have been so good Agreed! I'm also not a fan of love triangles because they usually follow too many already established tropes for this specific relationship dynamic.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 15:14:30 GMT -5
i’m closing my eyes and imagining the funniest lionblaze ship. i will be back soon to deliver it to you.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Dec 6, 2021 15:26:08 GMT -5
LionHeather was okay at first, but BreezeHeather is 200% better.
LionIce would have been cuter and more interesting to me imo, but I also liked LionToad (just preferred ToadBlossom).
Didn't care for LionCinder, it's one of the most boring underdeveloped pairings I've seen in the main series for a protagonist. HollyCinder had much more chemistry, scenes, and a better friendship than LionCinder.
I don't mind LionHoney, but I still prefer HoneyBerry over it. However, in the events of Dovewing leaving TC, I don' mind FoxHoney either.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Dec 6, 2021 15:26:18 GMT -5
i’m closing my eyes and imagining the funniest lionblaze ship. i will be back soon to deliver it to you. I already heard of one that some people apparently shipped back then during the actual Lionblaze shipping wars purely out of spite (I hope): LionPurdy.
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Post by Moonblazer on Dec 6, 2021 15:36:25 GMT -5
Lionblaze crackships you say??
Lionblaze x Leafstar. No i will not elaborate.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Dec 6, 2021 15:42:48 GMT -5
LionHeather was okay at first, but BreezeHeather is 200% better. LionIce would have been cuter and more interesting to me imo, but I also liked LionToad (just preferred ToadBlossom). Didn't care for LionCinder, it's one of the most boring underdeveloped pairings I've seen in the main series for a protagonist. HollyCinder had much more chemistry, scenes, and a better friendship than LionCinder. I don't mind LionHoney, but I still prefer HoneyBerry over it. However, in the events of Dovewing leaving TC, I don' mind FoxHoney either. I like both LionHeather and BreezeHeather but still mourn the loss of potentially good drama the former could have brought if only it had developed further. I liked HollyCinder for some time but have since switched to HollyWillow and HollyIvy because still shipping them did not feel genuine to me anymore due to my growing dislike of the "Cinderheart is possessed by Cinderpelt" concept and thus her as a character. Especially for how overdramatic she and Lionblaze acted during OotS in regards to their relationship. I also think that StarClan (and thus the writing team) giving Cinderpelt a second chance at life to have a mate and kits (something Cinderpelt apparently yearned for in the first place) implied that she would become mates with a tom anyways in the canon story as it was the real reason she was allowed to "become" Cinderheart temporarily at all. Otherwise the writing team might have just let both of them (HollyCinder) stay single warriors together or could have at least implied there was more like with TallJake and BarleyRaven. Because I still do agree that HollyCinder have great chemistry, both as canon friends and potential fanon mates.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Dec 6, 2021 15:50:07 GMT -5
i’m closing my eyes and imagining the funniest lionblaze ship. i will be back soon to deliver it to you. i’ve come to a conclusion. lionhare (lionblaze and harestar) the two of them are in the same age range. lionblaze has very divorced energy in the broken code, and i’ve decided that it’s because harestar and him recently got cat divorced. when lionblaze takes one of harestar’s lives in the battle against ashfur, he feels extremely guilty about it, but struggles to deal with these emotions. that’s why he acts the way he does in darkness within. there you go, this is my hastily thought up lionblaze crackship Good one! But I prefer BreezeHare (Breezepelt x Harestar). They were apprentices together for some time (Harestar is only a little older than Breezepelt) and both trained in the Dark Forest. That is my only reason. Although just the image of rather gentle Harestar paired with edgy Breezepelt also makes me smile.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Dec 6, 2021 16:02:41 GMT -5
the real question is why TWO she cats liked berrynose. he was a turd. Probably due to his high confidence. Berrynose was annoying, sure, but he was not some horrible cat either. It’s very clear he showed a ton of love for both Honeyfern and Poppyfrost, and that his feelings were very genuine. Poppyfrost and Berrynose also share a very blunt and confident nature in many of their scenes. Poppyfrost also had liked Berrynose before she ever knew Honeyfern was interested. More than likely, it’s a case of biased POV because we see it from Lionblaze’s eyes, and Lion and Berry always butted heads as ambitious apprentices do. There was never any indication that Berrynose ever treated Honeyfern or Poppyfrost badly. He probably was a genuinely entertaining, confident and proud cat and it appealed to both sisters. I actually really liked the irony that such a boisterous and annoying cat like Berrynose is still capable of attracting other cats and being a genuinely caring and dedicated cat when he needs to be. didnt say he was a bad dude or that he didnt genuinely care for his girls but he a turd
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Dec 6, 2021 16:10:37 GMT -5
Probably due to his high confidence. Berrynose was annoying, sure, but he was not some horrible cat either. It’s very clear he showed a ton of love for both Honeyfern and Poppyfrost, and that his feelings were very genuine. Poppyfrost and Berrynose also share a very blunt and confident nature in many of their scenes. Poppyfrost also had liked Berrynose before she ever knew Honeyfern was interested. More than likely, it’s a case of biased POV because we see it from Lionblaze’s eyes, and Lion and Berry always butted heads as ambitious apprentices do. There was never any indication that Berrynose ever treated Honeyfern or Poppyfrost badly. He probably was a genuinely entertaining, confident and proud cat and it appealed to both sisters. I actually really liked the irony that such a boisterous and annoying cat like Berrynose is still capable of attracting other cats and being a genuinely caring and dedicated cat when he needs to be. didnt say he was a bad dude or that he didnt genuinely care for his girls but he a turd I personally agree with your statement (again). Berrynose was always bossy and annoying in my opinion but having that take on him doesn't mean I'm not able to see that he still cares a lot for his family and mate(s). He's nonetheless entertaining to read about though and died way too soon. I miss him already. Calling him a turd is hilarious to me for some reason but then again, I like to refer to Tigerstar II as a piece of shit too. So there's that.
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Post by Moonblazer on Dec 6, 2021 16:21:17 GMT -5
Probably due to his high confidence. Berrynose was annoying, sure, but he was not some horrible cat either. It’s very clear he showed a ton of love for both Honeyfern and Poppyfrost, and that his feelings were very genuine. Poppyfrost and Berrynose also share a very blunt and confident nature in many of their scenes. Poppyfrost also had liked Berrynose before she ever knew Honeyfern was interested. More than likely, it’s a case of biased POV because we see it from Lionblaze’s eyes, and Lion and Berry always butted heads as ambitious apprentices do. There was never any indication that Berrynose ever treated Honeyfern or Poppyfrost badly. He probably was a genuinely entertaining, confident and proud cat and it appealed to both sisters. I actually really liked the irony that such a boisterous and annoying cat like Berrynose is still capable of attracting other cats and being a genuinely caring and dedicated cat when he needs to be. didnt say he was a bad dude or that he didnt genuinely care for his girls but he a turd Best turd in the series then, considering 99 percent of these characters have 0 personality in comparison lol. Maybe that’s why they liked him so much, he was the only cat in Thunderclan to actually have a non-cardboard personality 😂
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Dec 6, 2021 18:01:34 GMT -5
LionToad is the cutest and you cannot change my mind.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Dec 6, 2021 18:57:40 GMT -5
didnt say he was a bad dude or that he didnt genuinely care for his girls but he a turd Best turd in the series then, considering 99 percent of these characters have 0 personality in comparison lol. Maybe that’s why they liked him so much, he was the only cat in Thunderclan to actually have a non-cardboard personality 😂 idk about being the only cat to have a personality, esp amongst his generation in po3/oots, but yes, he is one of the better turds
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Post by Cloudstorm on Dec 7, 2021 0:21:05 GMT -5
I’ve personally, always shipped LionBlossom since their both a bit hot-headed , Self-centered and egotistical, so always felt they’d make an interesting pair, another would be LionPoppy, never shipped LionIce, since I personally think Icecloud deserved a Tom that was more then Muscle and claws. LionHeather I always found pretty Eye-rolling, and much prefer Heathertail and Brezepelt together. And ever really only liked Cinderheart as an apprentice, as there’s really no chemistry between Lionblaze and Cinderheart, and is definitely very underdeveloped, and incredibly forced imo, and was really only tossed together for the drama it caused, and her whole identity crisis with the whole Cinderheart/Cinderpelt Reincarnation/possession Bullcrap has forever tainted what little I enjoyed about Cinderheart, And still to this day, I’m unable to read Cinderheart’s name without an inexplicable Foul-taste welling up in my mouth, completely unnecessary imo.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Dec 7, 2021 12:02:15 GMT -5
Best turd in the series then, considering 99 percent of these characters have 0 personality in comparison lol. Maybe that’s why they liked him so much, he was the only cat in Thunderclan to actually have a non-cardboard personality 😂 idk about being the only cat to have a personality, esp amongst his generation in po3/oots, but yes, he is one of the better turds This is the third time I have now liked your comments on this thread and each of them involved calling Berrynose a turd. But yeah, Toadstep and Foxleap as well as Poppyfrost and Honeyfern for example can at least somewhat keep up with Berrynose in terms of them all being considered as background characters with actual different personalities. Also, discounting any ThunderClan protagonist characters with personality traits somewhat similar to Berrynose in certain aspects and during specific instances (Squirrelflight can be bossy while Jayfeather had his rude moments) there is yet another background cat who is considered arrogant, bossy and rude at times in ThunderClan. Blossomfall. So Berrynose is not that special (but definitely more likeable to me than Blossomfall).
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Dec 7, 2021 14:49:25 GMT -5
I’ve personally, always shipped LionBlossom since their both a bit hot-headed , Self-centered and egotistical, so always felt they’d make an interesting pair, another would be LionPoppy, never shipped LionIce, since I personally think Icecloud deserved a Tom that was more then Muscle and claws. LionHeather I always found pretty Eye-rolling, and much prefer Heathertail and Brezepelt together. And ever really only liked Cinderheart as an apprentice, as there’s really no chemistry between Lionblaze and Cinderheart, and is definitely very underdeveloped, and incredibly forced imo, and was really only tossed together for the drama it caused, and her whole identity crisis with the whole Cinderheart/Cinderpelt Reincarnation/possession Bullcrao has forever tainted what little I enjoyed about Cinderheart, And still to this day, I’m unable to read Cinderheart’s name without an inexplicable Foul-taste welling up in my mouth, completely unnecessary imo. I actually got an entire AU about LionBlossom written down but neither of them has the attributes in it with which you chose to describe them both because I wanted to give them more development than their canon selves had in the OotS arc in terms of maturing and finding comfort with each other. And also due to me not seeing Lionblaze as self-centered or egotistical since he seems just rather dense to me at times instead. Blossomfall is a bit more complicated, at least in OotS but she later on simply becomes one half of the xenophobic couple that is ThornBlossom so there's that for her canon "development" and storyline. I completely agree with you on the "Cinderpelt possessing Cinderheart" plotline being unnecessary nonsense though.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Dec 7, 2021 15:22:28 GMT -5
I’ve personally, always shipped LionBlossom since their both a bit hot-headed , Self-centered and egotistical, so always felt they’d make an interesting pair, another would be LionPoppy, never shipped LionIce, since I personally think Icecloud deserved a Tom that was more then Muscle and claws. LionHeather I always found pretty Eye-rolling, and much prefer Heathertail and Brezepelt together. And ever really only liked Cinderheart as an apprentice, as there’s really no chemistry between Lionblaze and Cinderheart, and is definitely very underdeveloped, and incredibly forced imo, and was really only tossed together for the drama it caused, and her whole identity crisis with the whole Cinderheart/Cinderpelt Reincarnation/possession Bullcrao has forever tainted what little I enjoyed about Cinderheart, And still to this day, I’m unable to read Cinderheart’s name without an inexplicable Foul-taste welling up in my mouth, completely unnecessary imo. I actually got an entire AU about LionBlossom written down but neither of them has the attributes in it with which you chose to describe them both because I wanted to give them more development than their canon selves had in the OotS arc in terms of maturing and finding comfort with each other. And also due to me not seeing Lionblaze as self-centered or egotistical since he seems just rather dense to me at times instead. Blossomfall is a bit more complicated, at least in OotS but she later on simply becomes one half of the xenophobic couple that is ThornBlossom so there's that for her canon "development" and storyline. I completely agree with you on the "Cinderpelt possessing Cinderheart" plotline being unnecessary nonsense though. Blossomfall has honestly matured quite a bit since her Jealous, frustrated bullying stage she went through in OoTS, due to Millie’s neglect according to some people? Honestly don’t know where people draw that from. But Lionblaze is still quite self-centered, egotistical in the newer arcs, dense as well imo. I might be misremembering a little of Lionblaze’s Character in PoT and OoTS. It’s been like 5-6 years since I reread PoT, and only ever read OoTS Once. I just started rereading PoT, and will be also reading OoTS once I get through Power of Three, so who knows my opinion of him might change a bit.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Dec 7, 2021 15:40:27 GMT -5
I actually got an entire AU about LionBlossom written down but neither of them has the attributes in it with which you chose to describe them both because I wanted to give them more development than their canon selves had in the OotS arc in terms of maturing and finding comfort with each other. And also due to me not seeing Lionblaze as self-centered or egotistical since he seems just rather dense to me at times instead. Blossomfall is a bit more complicated, at least in OotS but she later on simply becomes one half of the xenophobic couple that is ThornBlossom so there's that for her canon "development" and storyline. I completely agree with you on the "Cinderpelt possessing Cinderheart" plotline being unnecessary nonsense though. Blossomfall has honestly matured quite a bit since her Jealous, frustrated bullying stage she went through in OoTS, due to Millie’s neglect according to some people? Honestly don’t know where people draw that from. But Lionblaze is still quite self-centered, egotistical in the newer arcs, dense as well imo. I might be misremembering a little of Lionblaze’s Character in PoT and OoTS. It’s been like 5-6 years since I reread PoT, and only ever read OoTS Once. I just started rereading PoT, and will be also reading OoTS once I get through Power of Three, so who knows my opinion of him might change a bit. I think that, due to Millie focusing most of her attention on Briarlight after she sustained her permanent injury, Blossomfall definitely became jealous and felt neglected by her mother no longer giving her or Bumblestripe a lot of attention. Millie is not a bad mother though, in my opinion. Just rather overbearing and overprotective at times. Blossomfall admits these negative feelings herself in regards to her mother and sister to Ivypool during a scene in SotM. When it comes to Lionblaze, I'm mostly seeing him as someone who is just very proud in general and doesn't want to admit or show weakness. Which is not that uncommon to see with a male character following the "strong warrior" trope (even literally in this case). This is simply the way how the authors chose to portay/write him (or how I interpret him) and it could be so much worse.
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Cloudstorm
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Post by Cloudstorm on Dec 7, 2021 16:55:33 GMT -5
Blossomfall has honestly matured quite a bit since her Jealous, frustrated bullying stage she went through in OoTS, due to Millie’s neglect according to some people? Honestly don’t know where people draw that from. But Lionblaze is still quite self-centered, egotistical in the newer arcs, dense as well imo. I might be misremembering a little of Lionblaze’s Character in PoT and OoTS. It’s been like 5-6 years since I reread PoT, and only ever read OoTS Once. I just started rereading PoT, and will be also reading OoTS once I get through Power of Three, so who knows my opinion of him might change a bit. I think that, due to Millie focusing most of her attention on Briarlight after she sustained her permanent injury, Blossomfall definitely became jealous and felt neglected by her mother no longer giving her or Bumblestripe a lot of attention. Millie is not a bad mother though, in my opinion. Just rather overbearing and overprotective at times. Blossomfall admits these negative feelings herself in regards to her mother and sister to Ivypool during a scene in SotM. When it comes to Lionblaze, I'm mostly seeing him as someone who is just very proud in general and doesn't want to admit or show weakness. Which is not that uncommon to see with a male character following the "strong warrior" trope (even literally in this case). This is simply the way how the authors chose to portay/write him (or how I interpret him) and it could be so much worse. my opinion on Lionblaze had always been pretty neutral/indifferent due to his chapters being fairly boring and uninteresting in my opinion, and he doesn’t really have any relatable character flaws or anything to make his character and personality very flavorful to me. I did enjoy him some as an apprentice, and he made some good dry-humor wisecracks in TBC, I’ll have to reevaluate my opinion on him while I traipse through PoT and OoTS over the next month or 2. And I agree , I never found Millie to be a bad mother, just became a little overbearing of briarlight after her injury, and really think Blossomfall could of found an healthier outlet for dealing with not receiving the same degree of attention from her as before, and feelings of loneliness rather then training in the dark forest, but it’s small so doesn’t bother me. And I can see where one would call Lionblaze proud and not wishing to show weakness, he’s also however very boastful and cocky from what I remember, and does have a heavily inflated ego, and has been shown to be pretty stubborn as well, and a little insensitive.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Dec 7, 2021 17:10:42 GMT -5
I think that, due to Millie focusing most of her attention on Briarlight after she sustained her permanent injury, Blossomfall definitely became jealous and felt neglected by her mother no longer giving her or Bumblestripe a lot of attention. Millie is not a bad mother though, in my opinion. Just rather overbearing and overprotective at times. Blossomfall admits these negative feelings herself in regards to her mother and sister to Ivypool during a scene in SotM. When it comes to Lionblaze, I'm mostly seeing him as someone who is just very proud in general and doesn't want to admit or show weakness. Which is not that uncommon to see with a male character following the "strong warrior" trope (even literally in this case). This is simply the way how the authors chose to portay/write him (or how I interpret him) and it could be so much worse. my opinion on Lionblaze had always been pretty neutral/indifferent due to his chapters being fairly boring and uninteresting in my opinion, and he doesn’t really have any relatable character flaws or anything to make his character and personality very flavorful to me. I did enjoy him some as an apprentice, and he made some good dry-humor wisecracks in TBC, I’ll have to reevaluate my opinion on him while I traipse through PoT and OoTS over the next month or 2. And I agree , I never found Millie to be a bad mother, just became a little overbearing of briarlight after her injury, and really think Blossomfall could of found an healthier outlet for dealing with not receiving the same degree of attention from her as before, and feelings of loneliness rather then training in the dark forest, but it’s small so doesn’t bother me. And I can see where one would call Lionblaze proud and not wishing to show weakness, he’s also however very boastful and cocky from what I remember, and does have a heavily inflated ego, and has been shown to be pretty stubborn as well, and a little insensitive. I personally love Lionblaze a whole lot as the impulsive and determined warrior he is and don't mind him having certain flaws since he is otherwise just considered to either be boring by a still large part of the fandom or "bad" because of "killing" Russetfur in OotS and wanting to get rid of Shadowsight in TBC. While looking around on his brother's profile from the Warriors Wiki for a post on a different thread on here I found this quote by Jayfeather about and also directed at Lionblaze which perfectly sums him up, in my opinion: "I know what you're like Lionblaze. No cat better. You tend to think with your claws, and then regret it later. I want to make sure Shadowsight and Squirrelflight get treated fairly." ―Jayfeather to Lionblaze The Place of No Stars (book), page 22
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Cloudstorm
Don’t let it kill you. Even when it hurts like hell.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Dec 7, 2021 17:47:52 GMT -5
my opinion on Lionblaze had always been pretty neutral/indifferent due to his chapters being fairly boring and uninteresting in my opinion, and he doesn’t really have any relatable character flaws or anything to make his character and personality very flavorful to me. I did enjoy him some as an apprentice, and he made some good dry-humor wisecracks in TBC, I’ll have to reevaluate my opinion on him while I traipse through PoT and OoTS over the next month or 2. And I agree , I never found Millie to be a bad mother, just became a little overbearing of briarlight after her injury, and really think Blossomfall could of found an healthier outlet for dealing with not receiving the same degree of attention from her as before, and feelings of loneliness rather then training in the dark forest, but it’s small so doesn’t bother me. And I can see where one would call Lionblaze proud and not wishing to show weakness, he’s also however very boastful and cocky from what I remember, and does have a heavily inflated ego, and has been shown to be pretty stubborn as well, and a little insensitive. I personally love Lionblaze a whole lot as the impulsive and determined warrior he is and don't mind him having certain flaws since he is otherwise just considered to either be boring by a still large part of the fandom or "bad" because of "killing" Russetfur in OotS and wanting to get rid of Shadowsight in TBC. While looking around on his brother's profile from the Warriors Wiki for a post on a different thread on here I found this quote by Jayfeather about and also directed at Lionblaze which perfectly sums him up, in my opinion: "I know what you're like Lionblaze. No cat better. You tend to think with your claws, and then regret it later. I want to make sure Shadowsight and Squirrelflight get treated fairly." ―Jayfeather to Lionblaze The Place of No Stars (book), page 22 I smirked and smiled pretty hard reading that passage while reading TPoNS, and yes I agree summarizes Lionblaze perfectly.
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