Cloudstorm
Don’t let it kill you. Even when it hurts like hell.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Nov 30, 2021 23:27:40 GMT -5
ohhh I could probably write an entire essay on how I think Squirrelflight is a terrible mother….. ummmmmm maybe another time. But the fact she was very undeservingly given a second chance to be a better mother, and didn’t really improve or learn from her mistakes from the last time, and given the fact she’s supposed to be this passionate cat that feels and loves deeply according to the Editing/writing team, and maintains a strong bond with her sister, and that her “good intentions” are now protected by extremely biased narrative that twists her bad decisions into the right choices for some reason . Rubs salt onto the wounds that she’s still a mediocre, only covers the bare minimum requirements expected from a parent, Type mother. Their’s worse in the series, but they were created for that very purpose to be hated, and the narrative acknowledges it. ngl, i'd be interested in reading that essay. i never really thought about squirrelflight's parenting. i tend to focus on the other parts of her character that make her bad Only problem is posting that essay would probably generate a good heap of salt on these forums, and would probably be pretty uncomfortable for a lot of people to read. Since a huge reason I find Squirrelflight to be a terrible mother, and so relatable as a bad mother, is because she’s practically identical to my own Mother, whom I don’t hate or anything, but she’s a horrible mother, and the resemblance in my mom and Squirrelflight’s parental methods is almost uncanny. Giving pointless, unwanted advice? Check, constantly criticizes your life choices and decisions, yet when gets called out for her BS, immediately deflects it, and spins it to seem like you're the one being unfair? Big Check. Only gives advice or approves of life paths that contradict your own, giving the impression that they disapprove of your decisions, and they are dumb? Quadruple check. Refuses to acknowledge own mistakes, even after being pointed out countless times, and think you're the one that’s full of it? Check. Gives disingenuous advice that comes off as demeaning, and meant to boost their ego, and sense of self-importance and that they are better than you, and not actually offering anything that’s remotely reassuring and supportive? Ka-Ching. Seems to show remorse and claims to change their ways, and be less hurtful in the future, but never does? Oh yeah, that’s a check. Is much more concerned about her own reputation, and image, no matter what Negative impact their actions may be having on others? Double-check, to gloss over a few. I could rant and ramble on for a long time about this, and the cherry on top, both are perceived as good, supportive mothers by just about everyone else’s perspective, except their own kid’s. While I still do like Squirrelflight’s character, though she’s past due to be removed from the spotlight. She’s far too priggish, selfish and downright infuriating as a mother. And the fact she’s never learned from her previous mistakes, or even acknowledges that they were wrong to begin with, and in SqH her admitting she’d do it all over again, proves just how little detriment she thinks her misdeeds have carried. So yeah, she’s a terrible mother imo.
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Post by Moonblazer on Dec 1, 2021 8:50:49 GMT -5
Moonlight can literally choke, what an awful mother.
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Post by Aqua on Dec 1, 2021 8:54:37 GMT -5
ngl, i'd be interested in reading that essay. i never really thought about squirrelflight's parenting. i tend to focus on the other parts of her character that make her bad Only problem is posting that essay would probably generate a good heap of salt on these forums, and would probably be pretty uncomfortable for a lot of people to read. Since a huge reason I find Squirrelflight to be a terrible mother, and so relatable as a bad mother, is because she’s practically identical to my own Mother, whom I don’t hate or anything, but she’s a horrible mother, and the resemblance in my mom and Squirrelflight’s parental methods is almost uncanny. Giving pointless, unwanted advice? Check, constantly criticizes your life choices and decisions, yet when gets called out for her BS, immediately deflects it, and spins it to seem like you're the one being unfair? Big Check. Only gives advice or approves of life paths that contradict your own, giving the impression that they disapprove of your decisions, and they are dumb? Quadruple check. Refuses to acknowledge own mistakes, even after being pointed out countless times, and think you're the one that’s full of it? Check. Gives disingenuous advice that comes off as demeaning, and meant to boost their ego, and sense of self-importance and that they are better than you, and not actually offering anything that’s remotely reassuring and supportive? Ka-Ching. Seems to show remorse and claims to change their ways, and be less hurtful in the future, but never does? Oh yeah, that’s a check. Is much more concerned about her own reputation, and image, no matter what Negative impact their actions may be having on others? Double-check, to gloss over a few. I could rant and ramble on for a long time about this, and the cherry on top, both are perceived as good, supportive mothers by just about everyone else’s perspective, except their own kid’s. While I still do like Squirrelflight’s character, though she’s past due to be removed from the spotlight. She’s far too priggish, selfish and downright infuriating as a mother. And the fact she’s never learned from her previous mistakes, or even acknowledges that they were wrong to begin with, and in SqH her admitting she’d do it all over again, proves just how little detriment she thinks her misdeeds have carried. So yeah, she’s a terrible mother imo. When did Squirrelflight only care about her reputation? I just remember her constantly acting like an asshole to Bramblestar, but i don't remember her being this bad.
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Post by Aqua on Dec 1, 2021 8:59:28 GMT -5
Though, I do remember her giving a lecture to Jayfeather in FE back in OotS, and she basically tells him to "get over it" and that Jayfeather "wasn't the only cat suffering " and compared his loss (a dead sister, mind you) to Leafpool's, and he was pissed at her for this lol. honestly I was on Jayfeather's side for this case, she was an asshole to him.
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Cloudstorm
Don’t let it kill you. Even when it hurts like hell.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Dec 1, 2021 15:03:42 GMT -5
Though, I do remember her giving a lecture to Jayfeather in FE back in OotS, and she basically tells him to "get over it" and that Jayfeather "wasn't the only cat suffering " and compared his loss (a dead sister, mind you) to Leafpool's, and he was pissed at her for this lol. honestly I was on Jayfeather's side for this case, she was an asshole to him. responding to both posts. It’s kind of a delicate matter, that’s not always super apparent, since it’s not like she’s openly physically or verbally abusive like the much more blatantly awful mothers in the series. And this is me comparing her actions to that of my own mother, cause like I’ve said before, their parenting tactics are nearly perfectly mirrored. Majority of her interactions imo with her kids, come off as forced, and give a distinctive impression that it’s more out of necessity to keep up appearances as a caring, nurturing mother, rather then genuine motherly concern for her kits, hence why none of her kits are ever seen asking her for advice, and why her “motherly support” generally comes off as irritating and unwanted most of the time, since she’s not trying to actually be supportive or relate to their struggles on really any level. It gives the impression that’s she’s being motherly, and not neglectful to a bystander, aka keeping up appearances, but her kits clearly don’t view it as helpful. And considering she practically begged for the 3 to keep the secret from Brambleclaw and everyone else back in PoT, makes it very clear she was much more concerned of her reputation and personal image being ruined, then than the devastating effects her lies had on them to begin with. And she’s never really shown any reconciliation or acknowledgement of the huge mistake she made anywhere afterwards, she continues like she should just be able to slap an apology on it, and then everything returns to normal. And her desire to have more kits in SqH is more to do with her wanting to feel more important, and be further respected for being a Queen again, rather then her really just wishing to raise more kids, cause honestly she’s hardly involved in her first 2 litters that much. And all her defying bramblestar throughout SqH, is her blatantly just being stubborn, and defending her pride and refusing to humble herself even a little bit by admitting that she may be wrong, and should consider another approach. And her having no qualms saying she’d do it all over again to leafpool in Starclan in a heartbeat, reveals just how little self-reflection she has for her actions, and self-conceited she is. I could seriously dive deeper, and ramble on forever. But I’ll leave it there .
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Dec 1, 2021 15:25:29 GMT -5
Moonlight can literally choke, what an awful mother. She is just god awful, the fact that she thinks she's justified in what she did just makes me more infuriated at her and the Sisters in general.
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Post by Katanaheart on Dec 2, 2021 14:05:24 GMT -5
Though, I do remember her giving a lecture to Jayfeather in FE back in OotS, and she basically tells him to "get over it" and that Jayfeather "wasn't the only cat suffering " and compared his loss (a dead sister, mind you) to Leafpool's, and he was pissed at her for this lol. honestly I was on Jayfeather's side for this case, she was an asshole to him. responding to both posts. It’s kind of a delicate matter, that’s not always super apparent, since it’s not like she’s openly physically or verbally abusive like the much more blatantly awful mothers in the series. And this is me comparing her actions to that of my own mother, cause like I’ve said before, their parenting tactics are nearly perfectly mirrored. Majority of her interactions imo with her kids, come off as forced, and give a distinctive impression that it’s more out of necessity to keep up appearances as a caring, nurturing mother, rather then genuine motherly concern for her kits, hence why none of her kits are ever seen asking her for advice, and why her “motherly support” generally comes off as irritating and unwanted most of the time, since she’s not trying to actually be supportive or relate to their struggles on really any level. It gives the impression that’s she’s being motherly, and not neglectful to a bystander, aka keeping up appearances, but her kits clearly don’t view it as helpful. And considering she practically begged for the 3 to keep the secret from Brambleclaw and everyone else back in PoT, makes it very clear she was much more concerned of her reputation and personal image being ruined, then than the devastating effects her lies had on them to begin with. And she’s never really shown any reconciliation or acknowledgement of the huge mistake she made anywhere afterwards, she continues like she should just be able to slap an apology on it, and then everything returns to normal. And her desire to have more kits in SqH is more to do with her wanting to feel more important, and be further respected for being a Queen again, rather then her really just wishing to raise more kids, cause honestly she’s hardly involved in her first 2 litters that much. And all her defying bramblestar throughout SqH, is her blatantly just being stubborn, and defending her pride and refusing to humble herself even a little bit by admitting that she may be wrong, and should consider another approach. And her having no qualms saying she’d do it all over again to leafpool in Starclan in a heartbeat, reveals just how little self-reflection she has for her actions, and self-conceited she is. I could seriously dive deeper, and ramble on forever. But I’ll leave it there . This post reminds me of her weird fetish like nature towards her grandkits. Which she luckily didn’t act on mind you but it was in her mind. Such as going ahead and naming Finch and Flame since Sparkpelt was grieving. If her constant pestering on Sparkpelt during the grieving process, if she had went and named her grandchildren. It likely would have cemented to Sparkpelt that she shouldn’t have to be their mother, if her own mother is perfectly fine with taking over something as significant as naming the children. (I likely only remember this moment as I liked the suggestion of Gladekit.)
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Post by thewinterblaze on Dec 2, 2021 16:11:19 GMT -5
Palebird. No contest.
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Aroace
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Taking a break from the forums because my cat died. Will probably be back mid to late October.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Dec 2, 2021 16:27:07 GMT -5
*me trying to come up with a bad mother from this series who has not been named yet* I considered Sasha to be a bad mother when I was a child for abandoning her kits in RiverClan and later coming back when they were fully grown asking them to leave the group they were now loyal to. But since then I have realized how hard it is for single mothers (or single parents generally) out there in the real world so I'm no longer on that train. Sasha wanted what was best for her kits and was still in grief over losing Tadpole so she decided to ensure the safety of her remaining kits and prioritize their wellbeing. Her asking them to rejoin her as rogues was out of concern for how bad things were in the old forest RC territory and she wanted to make sure Hawkfrost and Mothwing were safe. Perhaps she was lonely as well and wanted them by her side again.
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