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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 17:43:29 GMT -5
What do you think of this ship?
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 28, 2021 17:45:09 GMT -5
i love this ship! i think its super sweet and wholesome
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Nov 28, 2021 17:47:28 GMT -5
I used to ship it, but I more see it as a friendly relationship now. I mean for one Fallen leaves is dead and two he's muchhhhh older than her.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 28, 2021 17:58:10 GMT -5
Wouldn’t it be implied necrophilia? Given that Fallen leaves is a ghost/dead??? that's specifically for corpses, not ghosts. i dont see a problem with the ghost thing. think of all the starclan interactions cats have had. firestar being visisted by spottedleaf, graystripe being visited by silverstream. both cases were romantic between living and a ghost. it's fine. besides, hollyleaf dies not long after her time with him in the tunnels so it doesnt really matter
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Nov 28, 2021 18:01:29 GMT -5
I think they're pretty cute together. I don't mind them being friends or a couple, they're great either way.
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Asexual
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Nov 28, 2021 18:05:39 GMT -5
I like FallenHolly, it's not my OTP but I think they're cute together and wouldn't mind them as friends or mates.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Nov 28, 2021 19:42:50 GMT -5
I like it.
They're nice and supportive to each other. It's very sweet.
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Cloudstorm
Don’t let it kill you. Even when it hurts like hell.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Nov 28, 2021 21:04:17 GMT -5
Wouldn’t it be implied necrophilia? Given that Fallen leaves is a ghost/dead??? that's specifically for corpses, not ghosts. i dont see a problem with the ghost thing. think of all the starclan interactions cats have had. firestar being visisted by spottedleaf, graystripe being visited by silverstream. both cases were romantic between living and a ghost. it's fine. besides, hollyleaf dies not long after her time with him in the tunnels so it doesnt really matter I guess your right. Still is unsettling for me, since if he is a sentient being and not a poltergeist at that point, there’s still like a 80+years age gap between them or whatever, don’t know how long ago it’s supposed to be between when the ancients were by the lake and the Modern clans since the timeframes between events in the timeline, and the length of the clans existence seems to get smaller the more they play around with it. And the others at least it’s only in Dreams, not the physical world and “shudders” yeah I’m gonna stop typing, I’m getting really grossed out just thinking about it.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 28, 2021 21:11:56 GMT -5
that's specifically for corpses, not ghosts. i dont see a problem with the ghost thing. think of all the starclan interactions cats have had. firestar being visisted by spottedleaf, graystripe being visited by silverstream. both cases were romantic between living and a ghost. it's fine. besides, hollyleaf dies not long after her time with him in the tunnels so it doesnt really matter I guess your right. Still is unsettling for me, since if he is a sentient being and not a poltergeist at that point, there’s still like a 80+years age gap between them or whatever, don’t know how long ago it’s supposed to be between when the ancients were by the lake and the Modern clans since the timeframes between events in the timeline, and the length of the clans existence seems to get smaller the more they play around with it. And the others at least it’s only in Dreams, not the physical world and “shudders” yeah I’m gonna stop typing, I’m getting really grossed out just thinking about it. this aint the hill to die on, man. spirits don't age. whatever age fallen leaves was at death, thats how he was the whole time...the age gap doesnt apply. they're literally just from different time periods. like if u drop a teenager from the past to the present, they didnt age, they just got put in another time and they stayed the same age getting there. make sense? but i'll agree to drop it since i dont want to argue. just wanted to explain.
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Post by Ivyfalcon on Nov 28, 2021 21:12:51 GMT -5
I really like them as friends but dislike it as a romantic relationship. It’s not awful or anything, they’re sweet, it’s just that I prefer Holly to be single (or maybe even HollyCinder).
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Post by rabbit on Nov 28, 2021 21:44:32 GMT -5
I dislike all of the Hollyleaf ships and Fallen Leaves is no exception.
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Post by Rainfire on Nov 28, 2021 23:48:48 GMT -5
Just neutral because I love singleHolly the most
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Post by cable on Nov 28, 2021 23:57:01 GMT -5
i always preferred holly single and uninterested in romance
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Nov 29, 2021 7:05:12 GMT -5
I like it. I like them as both: friends or a romantic ship.
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Post by Aqua on Nov 29, 2021 7:22:25 GMT -5
I don't ship them but they're still adorable. Fallen Leaves was like Hollyleaf's best friend, someone she needed to talk to because she didn't trust anyone. I thought it was sweet how they both pretended to go on patrols in the tunnels, and how Hollyleaf wanted to find her family because Fallen Leaves was sad that they were gone.
Fallen Leaves was there for Hollyleaf when she needed a friend. She told him everything, even how she killed Ashfur, and Fallen Leaves told Hollyleaf that she should appreciate those who loved her, even though she was hurt by them.
I'll always love Fallen Leaves and Hollyleaf. But, I never shipped them together. I saw these two more as platonic friends than romantic, but I don't entirely mind that they're romantic either.
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Post by Fireleap on Nov 29, 2021 8:11:55 GMT -5
It's pretty cute.
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Post by crowspirit on Nov 29, 2021 10:11:21 GMT -5
I actually think a ghost romance is a very neat idea, but I just always saw Hollyleaf as AceAro. And we need some representation, please? If I shipped her with anyone, it'd be Fallen Leaves though, but I like him better as her queerplatonic partner.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Nov 29, 2021 10:55:12 GMT -5
a little unnecessary but it's sweet
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 29, 2021 11:34:23 GMT -5
Unnecessary and not a fan. But there's hypocritical irony in this pairing for people who ship it but also make a ruckus over age gap ships.
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𝔖𝔬𝔯𝔯𝔢𝔩
uh.. I really like sorreltail
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Post by 𝔖𝔬𝔯𝔯𝔢𝔩 on Nov 29, 2021 15:35:47 GMT -5
I don’t ship it personally but it’s sweet
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Cloudstorm
Don’t let it kill you. Even when it hurts like hell.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Nov 29, 2021 15:55:11 GMT -5
I guess your right. Still is unsettling for me, since if he is a sentient being and not a poltergeist at that point, there’s still like a 80+years age gap between them or whatever, don’t know how long ago it’s supposed to be between when the ancients were by the lake and the Modern clans since the timeframes between events in the timeline, and the length of the clans existence seems to get smaller the more they play around with it. And the others at least it’s only in Dreams, not the physical world and “shudders” yeah I’m gonna stop typing, I’m getting really grossed out just thinking about it. this aint the hill to die on, man. spirits don't age. whatever age fallen leaves was at death, thats how he was the whole time...the age gap doesnt apply. they're literally just from different time periods. like if u drop a teenager from the past to the present, they didnt age, they just got put in another time and they stayed the same age getting there. make sense? but i'll agree to drop it since i dont want to argue. just wanted to explain. even if hypothetically there isn’t a age gap between them . The fact that he’s still a spirit/poltergeist aka dead, it’s still creepy and weird in my eyes if they got together while Hollyleaf was still alive, and it’s not they’ll ever see each other in the afterlife, since he’s lost in the tunnels forever. But I’m not gonna start a debate or argument over it. I find it unnerving, and that’s my subjective opinion on it.
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Post by 𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥 on Nov 29, 2021 16:14:08 GMT -5
I guess your right. Still is unsettling for me, since if he is a sentient being and not a poltergeist at that point, there’s still like a 80+years age gap between them or whatever, don’t know how long ago it’s supposed to be between when the ancients were by the lake and the Modern clans since the timeframes between events in the timeline, and the length of the clans existence seems to get smaller the more they play around with it. And the others at least it’s only in Dreams, not the physical world and “shudders” yeah I’m gonna stop typing, I’m getting really grossed out just thinking about it. this aint the hill to die on, man. spirits don't age. whatever age fallen leaves was at death, thats how he was the whole time...the age gap doesnt apply. they're literally just from different time periods. like if u drop a teenager from the past to the present, they didnt age, they just got put in another time and they stayed the same age getting there. make sense? but i'll agree to drop it since i dont want to argue. just wanted to explain. to add onto that, fallen leaves is younger than hollyleaf. he died when he had to get out of the tunnels to become a sharpclaw, and a sharpclaw is almost like the same thing as an warrior. i would guess fallen was around 1 year old. hollyleaf was around the 3 years when she died, so i'm guessing she was 2 years when she met fallen leaves? whatever age she was, she was definitely older than him. also, wasn't fallen like half-dead? he could touch holly, but he didn't have any body warmth. that is what i can remember, but i could be wrong, it has been a while. but yeah, fallen leaves is younger than hollyleaf if you don't count all the years he was dead.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 29, 2021 16:27:05 GMT -5
this aint the hill to die on, man. spirits don't age. whatever age fallen leaves was at death, thats how he was the whole time...the age gap doesnt apply. they're literally just from different time periods. like if u drop a teenager from the past to the present, they didnt age, they just got put in another time and they stayed the same age getting there. make sense? but i'll agree to drop it since i dont want to argue. just wanted to explain. to add onto that, fallen leaves is younger than hollyleaf. he died when he had to get out of the tunnels to become a sharpclaw, and a sharpclaw is almost like the same thing as an warrior. i would guess fallen was around 1 year old. hollyleaf was around the 3 years when she died, so i'm guessing she was 2 years when she met fallen leaves? whatever age she was, she was definitely older than him. also, wasn't fallen like half-dead? he could touch holly, but he didn't have any body warmth. that is what i can remember, but i could be wrong, it has been a while. but yeah, fallen leaves is younger than hollyleaf if you don't count all the years he was dead. yeah, they weren't alive at the same time so it doesnt even matter. ghosts r literally frozen in the state and age they died lol
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Nov 29, 2021 16:58:46 GMT -5
to add onto that, fallen leaves is younger than hollyleaf. he died when he had to get out of the tunnels to become a sharpclaw, and a sharpclaw is almost like the same thing as an warrior. i would guess fallen was around 1 year old. hollyleaf was around the 3 years when she died, so i'm guessing she was 2 years when she met fallen leaves? whatever age she was, she was definitely older than him. also, wasn't fallen like half-dead? he could touch holly, but he didn't have any body warmth. that is what i can remember, but i could be wrong, it has been a while. but yeah, fallen leaves is younger than hollyleaf if you don't count all the years he was dead. yeah, they weren't alive at the same time so it doesnt even matter. ghosts r literally frozen in the state and age they died lol there's also a suggestion that fallen leaves was not aware he was even dead for most of his "afterlife". Dark River established that he sorta of just lived in an endless loop of the final day of his life, trying to leave the tunnels. so he likely was not aging mentally/emotionally either, because he was barely sentient/fluidly conscious for most of his ghost-life. i think it's suggested it's not until jayfeather essentially freed him from his death echo in Dark River that he became fully lucid as a spirit.
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Post by 𝔯𝔞𝔟𝔟𝔦𝔱𝔣𝔯𝔬𝔰𝔱 on Nov 29, 2021 18:57:20 GMT -5
I'm neutral on it. Reading Hollyleaf's novella gave me more of the impression that they're friends than mates tbh, but I don't hate it. We could definitely talk about the age difference thing... We complain about age differences all the time in the series and this one would definitely take the cake (yeah, I know, he was probably around her age when he died, but still). I don't mind the ship, but I prefer them as friends.
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Post by whiteflight on Nov 29, 2021 21:34:00 GMT -5
I ship them. They're cute together.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2021 21:48:10 GMT -5
the ghost romance thing personally weirds me out + I cannot imagine hollyleaf being interested in men lol. I do like their friendship though!
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