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Post by Aqua on Nov 22, 2021 10:41:48 GMT -5
How do you feel about Violetshine's attachment toward Needletail? How do you think Violetshine feels about her now?
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Nov 22, 2021 10:47:36 GMT -5
needletail was painted as a heroic figure post-mortem by violetshine. i get she looked up to needletail, but besides her sacrifice, she wasn’t a great cat.
reminds me of harry potter naming his son after snape. like yeah the person did some legitimate good in the end, but they still lacked empathy and respect for others and caused loads of issues due to their ego.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Nov 23, 2021 13:03:38 GMT -5
It's unhealthy and was for the most part manipulative on Needeletail's part so I hate it. Violetshine continues to see her "big sister figure" in a way that doesn't necessarily reflect who she truly was as a character because of her sacrifice and martyr status which she only attained after dying to save Violetshine.
Due to Sunbeam being Needletail's sister I'm very sure we'll see even more of her in ASC.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Nov 23, 2021 14:56:31 GMT -5
It's unhealthy and was for the most part manipulative on Needeletail's part so I hate it. Violetshine continues to see her "big sister figure" in a way that doesn't necessarily reflect who she truly was as a character because of her sacrifice and martyr status which she only attained after dying to save Violetshine. Due to Sunbeam being Needletail's sister I'm very sure we'll see even more of her in ASC.also why did needletail get into starclan and juniperclaw didn’t?
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Nov 23, 2021 15:06:16 GMT -5
It's unhealthy and was for the most part manipulative on Needeletail's part so I hate it. Violetshine continues to see her "big sister figure" in a way that doesn't necessarily reflect who she truly was as a character because of her sacrifice and martyr status which she only attained after dying to save Violetshine. Due to Sunbeam being Needletail's sister I'm very sure we'll see even more of her in ASC.also why did needletail get into starclan and juniperclaw didn’t? Well I mean, Juniperclaw was ready to poison all of SkyClan for Tigerstar II while Needletail "only" lead a rebellion of apprentices/younger warriors out of ShadowClan and into The Kin where she participated in a few battles which resulted in the deaths of multiple RiverClan cats. But I think the ultimate reason for her going to StarClan was saving Violetshine as she is not really shown to feel bad about temporarily destroying ShadowClan later on and blames it all on Rowanstar instead. Juniperclaw did not feel bad for poisoning SkyClan as his last words are in regards to Tigerstar II and not them. So this could have had something to do with StarClan's decision on the matter. Personally, I think Juniperclaw doesn't deserve either StarClan or the Dark Forest so an inbetween limbo thing fits him perfectly.
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She could now see that destiny alone could not save RiverClan. - Frostpaw, Wind
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Post by Featherstar on Nov 23, 2021 15:09:52 GMT -5
I feel it's just a tragic story of friendship.
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Post by halogen on Nov 23, 2021 17:00:59 GMT -5
also why did needletail get into starclan and juniperclaw didn’t? Well I mean, Juniperclaw was ready to poison all of SkyClan for Tigerstar II while Needletail "only" lead a rebellion of apprentices/younger warriors out of ShadowClan and into The Kin where she participated in a few battles which resulted in the deaths of multiple RiverClan cats. But I think the ultimate reason for her going to StarClan was saving Violetshine as she is not really shown to feel bad about temporarily destroying ShadowClan later on and blames it all on Rowanstar instead. Juniperclaw did not feel bad for poisoning SkyClan as his last words are in regards to Tigerstar II and not them. So this could have had something to do with StarClan's decision on the matter. Personally, I think Juniperclaw doesn't deserve either StarClan or the Dark Forest so an inbetween limbo thing fits him perfectly. Plus Juniperclaw was one of the first to join the Kin along with Needletail.
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Post by whiteflight on Nov 23, 2021 20:40:32 GMT -5
How do you feel about Violetshine's attachment toward Needletail? How do you think Violetshine feels about her now? Sorry that this is very off topic but I just wanted to know why you have black stars since I've never seen anyone besides I think the mods having them.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Nov 23, 2021 21:20:16 GMT -5
also why did needletail get into starclan and juniperclaw didn’t? Well I mean, Juniperclaw was ready to poison all of SkyClan for Tigerstar II while Needletail "only" lead a rebellion of apprentices/younger warriors out of ShadowClan and into The Kin where she participated in a few battles which resulted in the deaths of multiple RiverClan cats. But I think the ultimate reason for her going to StarClan was saving Violetshine as she is not really shown to feel bad about temporarily destroying ShadowClan later on and blames it all on Rowanstar instead. Juniperclaw did not feel bad for poisoning SkyClan as his last words are in regards to Tigerstar II and not them. So this could have had something to do with StarClan's decision on the matter. Personally, I think Juniperclaw doesn't deserve either StarClan or the Dark Forest so an inbetween limbo thing fits him perfectly. I honestly think Needletail should have gotten limbo too. She only betrays Darktail because he kills Rain, and then blames everything on Rowanstar still. Juniperclaw saved Shadowsight. Why does his sacrifice not count like hers does? I wish Starclan was more consistent
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Post by 𝔯𝔞𝔟𝔟𝔦𝔱𝔣𝔯𝔬𝔰𝔱 on Nov 23, 2021 21:43:57 GMT -5
also why did needletail get into starclan and juniperclaw didn’t? Well I mean, Juniperclaw was ready to poison all of SkyClan for Tigerstar II while Needletail "only" lead a rebellion of apprentices/younger warriors out of ShadowClan and into The Kin where she participated in a few battles which resulted in the deaths of multiple RiverClan cats. But I think the ultimate reason for her going to StarClan was saving Violetshine as she is not really shown to feel bad about temporarily destroying ShadowClan later on and blames it all on Rowanstar instead. Juniperclaw did not feel bad for poisoning SkyClan as his last words are in regards to Tigerstar II and not them. So this could have had something to do with StarClan's decision on the matter. Personally, I think Juniperclaw doesn't deserve either StarClan or the Dark Forest so an inbetween limbo thing fits him perfectly. I also think StarClan were a little more willing to forgive Needletail for abandoning ShadowClan considering they also blamed Rowanstar for everything that happened and for his weakness. We get a prologue scene at some point (I don't remember which book) where we see Blackstar talking about how he had thought Rowanstar would be a strong leader for his Clan and that he was wrong.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Nov 24, 2021 7:15:17 GMT -5
Well I mean, Juniperclaw was ready to poison all of SkyClan for Tigerstar II while Needletail "only" lead a rebellion of apprentices/younger warriors out of ShadowClan and into The Kin where she participated in a few battles which resulted in the deaths of multiple RiverClan cats. But I think the ultimate reason for her going to StarClan was saving Violetshine as she is not really shown to feel bad about temporarily destroying ShadowClan later on and blames it all on Rowanstar instead. Juniperclaw did not feel bad for poisoning SkyClan as his last words are in regards to Tigerstar II and not them. So this could have had something to do with StarClan's decision on the matter. Personally, I think Juniperclaw doesn't deserve either StarClan or the Dark Forest so an inbetween limbo thing fits him perfectly. I also think StarClan were a little more willing to forgive Needletail for abandoning ShadowClan considering they also blamed Rowanstar for everything that happened and for his weakness. We get a prologue scene at some point (I don't remember which book) where we see Blackstar talking about how he had thought Rowanstar would be a strong leader for his Clan and that he was wrong. That was in the prologue for River of Fire which is the same one where Needletail blames the downfall of ShadowClan entirely on Rowanstar as if she did not play a major part in it as well.
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Post by 𝔯𝔞𝔟𝔟𝔦𝔱𝔣𝔯𝔬𝔰𝔱 on Nov 24, 2021 13:05:45 GMT -5
I also think StarClan were a little more willing to forgive Needletail for abandoning ShadowClan considering they also blamed Rowanstar for everything that happened and for his weakness. We get a prologue scene at some point (I don't remember which book) where we see Blackstar talking about how he had thought Rowanstar would be a strong leader for his Clan and that he was wrong. That was in the prologue for River of Fire which is the same one where Needletail blames the downfall of ShadowClan entirely on Rowanstar as if she did not play a major part in it as well. Yeah. I couldn't remember which book lol. But my point was, StarClan seems to forgive Needletail because they also put blame on Rowanstar for everything that happened, rather than blame the cats who abandoned their Clan. Which I think is honestly ridiculous - the cats who abandoned ShadowClan for Darktail and his rogues are responsible for what happened, or at the very least, the majority of the blame should be placed on them, not Rowanstar. Rowanstar wasn't the best leader, but he definitely doesn't deserved to be blamed as much as he is.
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Post by Moonblazer on Nov 24, 2021 13:31:27 GMT -5
That was in the prologue for River of Fire which is the same one where Needletail blames the downfall of ShadowClan entirely on Rowanstar as if she did not play a major part in it as well. Yeah. I couldn't remember which book lol. But my point was, StarClan seems to forgive Needletail because they also put blame on Rowanstar for everything that happened, rather than blame the cats who abandoned their Clan. Which I think is honestly ridiculous - the cats who abandoned ShadowClan for Darktail and his rogues are responsible for what happened, or at the very least, the majority of the blame should be placed on them, not Rowanstar. Rowanstar wasn't the best leader, but he definitely doesn't deserved to be blamed as much as he is. Especially considering he was the only one actively trying to keep the Clan together while everyone moaned and complained, only for his author-bias deputy child to abandon him and the Clan, and he also forgave every single one of his clanmates who treated him like garbage and died protecting kits of a cat who betrayed him, it just further shows the writers just literally wanted to make Tigerheart seem like a saint by trashing on this character. That prologue was absolute trash and cemented my dislike for Needletail and Starclan in general.
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Post by Featherstar on Nov 24, 2021 15:53:24 GMT -5
I just didn't like all that much.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 24, 2021 16:17:57 GMT -5
i like both violet and needle. i understand and acknowledge the problems with it, but i also think its understandable for how violetshine views needletail now.
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Post by Cheetahstar on Nov 24, 2021 16:49:58 GMT -5
How do you feel about Violetshine's attachment toward Needletail? How do you think Violetshine feels about her now? Sorry that this is very off topic but I just wanted to know why you have black stars since I've never seen anyone besides I think the mods having them. i think it happens at 666 posts and goes away right after
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Post by Moonblazer on Nov 24, 2021 17:44:57 GMT -5
Their relationship was so gross and uncomfortable and borderline abusive to read about and it’s a massive reason I can never like Needletail.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Nov 24, 2021 18:21:11 GMT -5
Sorry that this is very off topic but I just wanted to know why you have black stars since I've never seen anyone besides I think the mods having them. i think it happens at 666 posts and goes away right after It also happens at 1,337 posts and you get the "1337 wArRiOr xD" rank, which I believe is based on some meme I don't know about.
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Post by cygna on Nov 25, 2021 6:52:11 GMT -5
There are major problems with their relationship but I can't help but like it.
Needletail herself has serious issues but we've seen before that she does genuinely care for others(classic tsundere) given that she tried to get Tree accepted into ShadowClan.
Needletail was also really angry cat though and I think that was the side of her we were shown more of. She seems like the type of cat who would look out for herself and only herself(like Rouges) but she saved Violetpaw.
Needletail obviously was not amazing to Violetshine but given that everyone else was even worse in SC, I see why Violetshine sees her savior through rose tinted glasses. There could also be more to their relationship we just didn't get the time to explore.
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