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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 20, 2021 20:12:59 GMT -5
just for fun (and because im bored)
i'll list some important characters and when they "should" have died according to my personal rule (3-4 arcs max).
firestar: becomes a warrior in TPB. dies by OotS (this is one of the rare canon deaths that actually follow my rule lol)
other cats that should have died around the same time as firestar or a little bit after (maybe in Dove's novella or BrS): sandstorm, dustpelt, graystripe.
During BrS or Post-BrS and into AVOS deaths: cats like cloudtail, brightheart, ferncloud, brackenfur, sorreltail, etc. these cats were a bit younger than firestar's generation, so they would die an arc after him.
Squirrelflight's generation (leafpool, whitewing, spiderleg, birchfall, etc.): apprentices from FQ to the beginning of TNP, they all become warriors in TNP. they would have to die right before TBC (in SqH), during TBC, or the next story right after it (daisy's novella maybe?).
random example(s):
mousewhisker, berrynose, and hazeltail: since they were born in the beginning of TNP and are seen as slightly older kits when introduced in TNP, they would be estimated to go after TBC (early ASC maybe?) since they are younger than squirrel's gen, but not young enough to join the Po3 gens.
foxleap and icecloud: born before Po3, alongside lion, jay and holly, they would be scheduled to die at the end of ASC or in the inbetween period (between ASC and the arc after it). the fact they died so early is a crime lol.
rosepetal and toadstep: born a bit before outcast in po3. they would follow foxleap and icecloud and die sometime just after ASC. their early deaths are ALSO a crime.
bumble, briar, and blossom: born in the middle of Po3, so they are only a little bit younger than fox, ice, rose, and toad. they'd die during the arc AFTER ASC.
dovewing and ivypool: born at the very end of Po3, they are counted for the OotS generation. their scheduled death date would be at the ENDING HALF of the arc AFTER ASC.
cherryfall and molewhisker: born in the beginning of OotS or just before it. they'd have similar death dates as dove and ivy since they're not that far apart.
AVOS cats: TBC, ASC, X, XX (2 arcs after ASC)
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Post by halogen on Nov 20, 2021 22:19:13 GMT -5
I mean, in real life people end up with different lifespans, some live unusually long and others die young. It would be fine if Warriors sometimes reflected that rather than having everyone die at the same time like clockwork, the problem is they have a consistent pattern of every major character born from TPB-TNP living very long and the cats born earlier or later dying young or at least not reaching nearly as old ages.
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Cloudstorm
Don’t let it kill you. Even when it hurts like hell.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Nov 21, 2021 0:12:25 GMT -5
It doesn’t really bother me that some cats have extraordinarily long lifespans compared to some. I mean just making a defined cutoff time where a cat just has to be snuffed out no questions asked, is kinda nonsensical to me . I do agree that the older cast shouldn’t be consuming up as much Screentime, but shouldn’t just be phased into the background entirely either. While with how large some of the clans have gotten (thunderclan especially) it’s obviously wishful thinking to hope every cat gets a starring role, if even just briefly. I do know it’s an obtainable feat that they deliver a more robust, larger personalized group of characters that are given focus then what we generally receive now to make the world seem much more full, and vibrant like a bustling community filled with life, that play integral and important roles and actually interact with the protagonist, which would be desirable.
Unless of course the Erins decide to really exemplify the Thriller/Suspense and Tragedy genre/themes in the series, and seriously amp up the Villains threatening and menacing capabilities, and make their malicious deeds leave far more catastrophic , ruinous long-lasting effects on the clans, with much more bloodshed, and tragic loses which I’d be totally down for btw . But just a generic off switch on a cats life because they’ve been around for awhile, that’s just silly imo.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 21, 2021 1:24:45 GMT -5
It doesn’t really bother me that some cats have extraordinarily long lifespans compared to some. I mean just making a defined cutoff time where a cat just has to be snuffed out no questions asked, is kinda nonsensical to me . I do agree that the older cast shouldn’t be consuming up as much Screentime, but shouldn’t just be phased into the background entirely either. While with how large some of the clans have gotten (thunderclan especially) it’s obviously wishful thinking to hope every cat gets a starring role, if even just briefly. I do know it’s an obtainable feat that they deliver a more robust, larger personalized group of characters that are given focus then what we generally receive now to make the world seem much more full, and vibrant like a bustling community filled with life, that play integral and important roles and actually interact with the protagonist, which would be desirable. Unless of course the Erins decide to really exemplify the Thriller/Suspense and Tragedy genre/themes in the series, and seriously amp up the Villains threatening and menacing capabilities, and make their malicious deeds leave far more catastrophic , ruinous long-lasting effects on the clans, with much more bloodshed, and tragic loses which I’d be totally down for btw . But just a generic off switch on a cats life because they’ve been around for awhile, that’s just silly imo. im a big fan of the death date because it decreases clan size faster. right now, if u take out all the cats from the first 3 arcs, there'd still be over 20 cats in thunderclan, so the fact they dont kill old cats after a certain, but at the same time, make new cats be born, the count is out of control.
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Cloudstorm
Don’t let it kill you. Even when it hurts like hell.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Nov 21, 2021 2:23:54 GMT -5
It doesn’t really bother me that some cats have extraordinarily long lifespans compared to some. I mean just making a defined cutoff time where a cat just has to be snuffed out no questions asked, is kinda nonsensical to me . I do agree that the older cast shouldn’t be consuming up as much Screentime, but shouldn’t just be phased into the background entirely either. While with how large some of the clans have gotten (thunderclan especially) it’s obviously wishful thinking to hope every cat gets a starring role, if even just briefly. I do know it’s an obtainable feat that they deliver a more robust, larger personalized group of characters that are given focus then what we generally receive now to make the world seem much more full, and vibrant like a bustling community filled with life, that play integral and important roles and actually interact with the protagonist, which would be desirable. Unless of course the Erins decide to really exemplify the Thriller/Suspense and Tragedy genre/themes in the series, and seriously amp up the Villains threatening and menacing capabilities, and make their malicious deeds leave far more catastrophic , ruinous long-lasting effects on the clans, with much more bloodshed, and tragic loses which I’d be totally down for btw . But just a generic off switch on a cats life because they’ve been around for awhile, that’s just silly imo. im a big fan of the death date because it decreases clan size faster. right now, if u take out all the cats from the first 3 arcs, there'd still be over 20 cats in thunderclan, so the fact they dont kill old cats after a certain, but at the same time, make new cats be born, the count is out of control. yeah the numbers have definitely become bloated due to the lack of cataclysmic events occurring to eradicate them. But the numbers being large is only really a problem because the Writing teams doesn’t do anything with them, same equation applied to new cats, with how Negligently and cursory the writing is done within the series lately. Whether there’s 20 or 50 cats , if only 5 or 6 of those at most are given relevance or personalities, doesn’t make a huge difference or substantial advance forward to solving the core problem. Which is poor-quality writing, and extremely linear, streamlined plots with only main protags driving the plot , and only a few minor characters being given some degree of depth along the way.
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Post by crowspirit on Nov 21, 2021 3:47:40 GMT -5
I don't mind some cats getting quite old, since cats can live for a pretty long time. The clan cats don't have naturally shorter lifespans just because they live in the wild, they have magical herbs that cure pretty much everything all the time. The problem is that there are constantly new cats being born while the old ones are still in the spotlight. I'd be fine with the older cats living if the young ones had personalities and were important. In my own story, I killed off quite a few characters and shoved the old ones in the background when I started the sequel so I could focus on in the new characters. The old ones had their time to shine. I just brought them back at the very end where they all united for a great battle. But I'm really not a fan of mindlessly killing off characters just because they've lived for a specific amount of books, the deaths need to be at least somewhat meaningful.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 21, 2021 4:30:26 GMT -5
I don't mind some cats getting quite old, since cats can live for a pretty long time. The clan cats don't have naturally shorter lifespans just because they live in the wild, they have magical herbs that cure pretty much everything all the time. The problem is that there are constantly new cats being born while the old ones are still in the spotlight. I'd be fine with the older cats living if the young ones had personalities and were important. In my own story, I killed off quite a few characters and shoved the old ones in the background when I started the sequel so I could focus on in the new characters. The old ones had their time to shine. I just brought them back at the very end where they all united for a great battle. But I'm really not a fan of mindlessly killing off characters just because they've lived for a specific amount of books, the deaths need to be at least somewhat meaningful. im sounding like a broken record, but i still believe the reason younger background cats dont get personalities IS BECAUSE the older cats keep living long and stealing spotlight and screentime. thats why im itching for them to die off after 3-4 arcs so they have less cats. less cats = easier time to develop them enough for each cat to get some kind of personality. the fact the series clings to older characters just because 'they're established' makes the writers come off as lazy. kill them off and actually put effort into developing the new cats. it's not hard. they're acting like killing characters off is a crime when it should be normalized in a long series like this that spans generations.
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#04F9B3
StarClan leader
Name Colour
Featherstar
She could now see that destiny alone could not save RiverClan. - Frostpaw, Wind
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Post by Featherstar on Nov 23, 2021 15:13:26 GMT -5
My rules are this:
Born in TPB, die in OotS Born in TNP, die in AVoS Born in PoT, die in TBC Born in OotS, Die in ASC Born in AVoS, die in Arc 9 Born in TBC, die in Arc 10 Born in TBC, die in Arc 11
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 23, 2021 15:24:47 GMT -5
My rules are this: Born in TPB, die in OotS Born in TNP, die in AVoS Born in PoT, die in TBC Born in OotS, Die in ASC Born in AVoS, die in Arc 9 Born in TBC, die in Arc 10 Born in TBC, die in Arc 11 this is what i was trying to say, but i didnt know the arc numbers lol. thanks for making it simple! i like the idea of them living 4 arcs max. keep the population down while also replacing the old with the new.
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#04F9B3
StarClan leader
Name Colour
Featherstar
She could now see that destiny alone could not save RiverClan. - Frostpaw, Wind
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Post by Featherstar on Nov 23, 2021 15:28:39 GMT -5
My rules are this: Born in TPB, die in OotS Born in TNP, die in AVoS Born in PoT, die in TBC Born in OotS, Die in ASC Born in AVoS, die in Arc 9 Born in TBC, die in Arc 10 Born in TBC, die in Arc 11 this is what i was trying to say, but i didnt know the arc numbers lol. thanks for making it simple! i like the idea of them living 4 arcs max. keep the population down while also replacing the old with the new. Well. So cats like Bumblestripe and Blossomfall die in the upcoming arc. Berrynose lived an arc beyond my max. He was born in TNP and died in TBC
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 23, 2021 15:46:31 GMT -5
this is what i was trying to say, but i didnt know the arc numbers lol. thanks for making it simple! i like the idea of them living 4 arcs max. keep the population down while also replacing the old with the new. Well. So cats like Bumblestripe and Blossomfall die in the upcoming arc. Berrynose lived an arc beyond my max. He was born in TNP and died in TBC true. berry was an older kit by the end of TNP, and in the beginning parts of Po3, he comes a warrior, so he's not an apprentice on screen for that long. he counts as TNP for me, while cinder, poppy, and honey count as Po3.
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#04F9B3
StarClan leader
Name Colour
Featherstar
She could now see that destiny alone could not save RiverClan. - Frostpaw, Wind
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Post by Featherstar on Nov 23, 2021 15:53:14 GMT -5
As for Firestar, like you said, he is like the only one to live up to your standreds.
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