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Post by Cloudstorm on Nov 18, 2021 0:08:03 GMT -5
Bramblestar & Squirrelflight vs Tigerheart & Dovewing*** Who's The Better Couple & Parent's ?.
The indomitable champion's of controversy. Probably the most divisive Characters and romances in the entire series. their stories are practically interchangeable from beginning to end . One starts with being annoyed/resenting the other, then they turn into something more platonic, evolves into romance, they have a groundshaking breakup, end up avoiding eachother for a period of time, then end up together again. in many ways their story is nearly identical with one primarily being from the Tom's perspective and the other from the she-cats perspective. they've both had their fair share of rocky turf, toxicity, arguments and all parties have done some very morally questionable actions that have resulted in plenty of drama over the years. and their both a FirekinxTigerkin union. love them or hate them, their irrefutably have been a highlight of the series.
Which Couple do you think has been the better relationship of the 2? which in your opinion are better parent's ?
personally I'm on Bramblestar and Squirrelflight's side, while they definitely don't always see eye-to-eye , and have their toxic moments and Quarrels like any other couple. deep down they do love eachother , even if they may be too bullheaded to admit it at times, and they've been pretty good parent's imo. and they do compliment eachother and bring out the best in their partner most of the time , especially when interacting with their Kits. though they could use some couple counseling so they'd could come to a better mutual understanding of the other so they could learn to defuse arguments before they started or brewed out of control like they have.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2021 0:44:53 GMT -5
dovewing and tigerheart, no competition. the way bramblestar treats squirrelflight is disgusting.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 18, 2021 1:52:08 GMT -5
Comes down to which I hate less. Bramble is the better part of BrambleSquirrel, and honestly, he deserves better after all the crap she put him and his children through. But he at least made the pairing tolerable when Squirrel made it intolerable. On the other hand, DoveTiger are both horribly annoying, and their drama was just as dragged out and beaten into over use. Because I don't care for either Dove or Tiger at this point in the series, I'm going with BrambleSquirrel simply for Bramble, since he was a good mate and an amazing father.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 18, 2021 3:43:00 GMT -5
when bramble x squirrel were together and it was good? it's obviously way better than dove x tiger. no contest. laterin the series, both of them are bad, not just bramble. idk why people STILL insist it's only bramble who was gross toward the end when squirrelflight is just as self righteous as he is lol.
both pairings developed on a journey, but the major difference is, bramble and squirrel are from the same clan so they knew each other before the journey, so for that reason, bramble x squirrel is better and has a stronger foundation than dove x tiger.
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Post by kells on Nov 18, 2021 4:48:17 GMT -5
Congrats on you op, I didn't think anything could make me say DoveTiger is good, but in comparison to the enemy that is BrambleSquirrel? DoveTiger looks like a saint.
DoveTiger has two arcs, one novella and an SE based on/focused on them
BrambleSquirrel is a menace in comparison with its four arcs and two SEs. Pfft I'll take DoveTiger any day over that sufferage.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Nov 18, 2021 7:02:37 GMT -5
I'd have to say I enjoy BrambleSquirrel more. As bad as it can be, I find it more compelling, and though I don't like the toxicity it can produce, I do like the idea that they'll always end up back together, no matter how many hardships they go through.
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Post by Aqua on Nov 18, 2021 10:19:16 GMT -5
The better relationship? Dovewing and Tigerheart. Dovewing at least learns from her mistakes and she's willing to punish herself and atone because she wants her clan to be safe. She doesn't go behind Tigerheart's back, or lies to him, or treats him like shit, and Tigerheart protects her and does what he can to keep Dovewing safe. They're learning how to have a healthier relationship, even if they were toxic to each other before, cats can learn and grow, and it isn't as bad as they used to be, imo. Dovewing has proven time and time again that she loves Tigerstar and sacrificed her clan and family to be with him and his kits, and in TBC Tigerstar is showing to me that he cares about her and wants to protect her.
I think Dovewing is a good mother to Shadowsight, but I don't know a lot about Tigerstar. His actions made me uncomfortable toward Shadowsight, especially when he told him that he didn't have his Clan's support. I can't be too mad at both parents for telling Shadowsight to run away, because if I remember correctly, wasn't he risking his own life by staying because ShadowClan and many other cats were angry with him? Sure, it was wrong to encourage him to do the wrong thing, but I honestly believe people overlook it and don't seem to understand that they just want to protect Shadowsight. I do question why Tigerstar asked Shadowsight to watch over Ashfur, but for the most part, I really don't think Dovewing and Tigerheart are as bad as these fans say they are. Dove & Tiger aren't perfect, but they mean well, and they love each other and wants what's best for their kits. I like Dovewing and Shadowsight together a lot, she is very sweet to him, especially when Dovewing tells him to have more faith in himself.
The better parents? Squirrelflight is a trash parent, because she ma kes her daughter lie to her father when she was clearly uncomfortable about it. She lied to the three, lied to Bramblestar about the kits that he should've known the truth about, and then told the three to keep the secret even after they figured out the truth and expected them to live with it. Squirrelflight may have cared about the three, but she's a terrible mother for lying to them and expecting them to cover up for hers and Leafpool's mistakes when the lies weren't even their fault to begin with.
Bramblestar is probably the best parent out of BramblexSquirrel, because he genuinely cared about the three, he defended Hollyleaf when she was about to tell the truth about Ashfur, and he never blamed them for Leafpool's and Squirrelflight's lies. He was always sweet to his kits, and supported Lionblaze when he felt that Hollyleaf didn't trust him about Heathertail. He was always there for his kits, while Squirrelflight lied to all of them. So the better parent, for this case, is probably Bramblestar. I think so many people overlook the crap in SqH and forget what a wonderful father he was to the three in Po3. Squirrelflight really isn't all that great, yes she had good good intentions and I understand that she wanted to protect Leafpool, but that ended up permanently hurting Jayfeather, he's still not over it, and Hollyleaf went insane over their lies. Granted, Hollyleaf chose her own actions, but Squirrelflight and Leafpool both hurt her, and were an indirect cause to all the crimes Hollyleaf has done. If Squirrelflight was just honest with Bramblestar and the three in the first place, there would have been less pain. Leafpool would've been just fine, there was no need to lie to any of them imo. Firestar wasn't going to exile his own daughter.
However Squirrelflight and Bramblestar are an awful couple, with Squirrelflight constantly going behind his back and lying to him. She's dishonest and a relationship needs trust, she always blackmailed him when she was younger to go on the journey and gave him a hard time, I honestly don't blame Bramblestar for being pissed at her, and she honestly took things way too far when she didn't want Bramblestar to be with Hawkfrost. I understand that she was scared for him, but she handled things in the wrong way and communicated with him badly, and then acted like Bramblestar doesn't care about her and constantly went to Leafpool after their quarrels and Ashfur. Her behavior was terrible, I didn't even like how Squirrelflight treated him about Hawkfrost even when I was a child. Good intentions or not, that crap she pulled about Hawkfrost rubbed me the wrong way. It's such a toxic relationship, Squirrelflight never respected him.
So the better parents for me, would probably be Dovewing and Bramblestar, because Squirrelflight and Tigerstar have done questionable things to their kits. Dovewing and Bramblestar have always been gentler to their kits while Squirrelflight has always been too unsympathetic toward Jayfeather's pain about the lies, and Tigerstar was really weird around Shadowsight.
Kindly asking folks not to debate w me about this, because I'm not interested. I'm just posting for fun, not to have a debate. Thanks. Please respect my wishes
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Nov 18, 2021 11:02:57 GMT -5
Bramblestar and Squirrelflight. TigerxDove is disguised to look good while you obviously see the flaws with BramblexSquirrel. I would rather read another arc about BramblexSquirrel over TigerxDove any day and if you know me, you know I despise Bramblestar.
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Post by Chicken on Nov 18, 2021 12:27:41 GMT -5
Tigerheart and Dovewing by far. They actually listen to what the other says, and sure they've had some hiccups in their relationship, but not as much as Bramble and Squirrel. Also, they didn't start out hating each other, and their whole relationship isn't an annoying trope. Plus, I like Dovewing and Tigerheart as characters way more than Bramblestar and Squirrelflight.
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Post by tallshadowstar on Nov 18, 2021 16:26:20 GMT -5
Tigerstar and Dovewing are a remarkably healthy couple, at least in TBC. While Tigerstar may be a hot-head, it's obvious that he adores his mate and has never belittled her like Bramblestar has to Squirrelflight. And although Dovewing fled the Clans for a brief period, she ultimately chose to abandon the home she grew up in to start a family with Tigerstar.
They're also pretty great parents. It's clear that they would do anything for their kits, particularly Shadowsight. Dovewing is consistently supportive of her son, and he confides in her often because of it. Tigerstar puts his family before his leadership, for better or for worse; he tries to sneak Shadowsight out of ShadowClan and into the safety of the Tribe against the wishes of his Clanmates, and was ready to kill Bramblestar's body in retribution for harming his son before Dovewing talked him down.
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Nov 18, 2021 17:01:45 GMT -5
I like Bramblestar and Squirrelflight much better when they're apart, so I guess TigerDove.
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