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Post by Fernsong on Nov 17, 2021 1:51:12 GMT -5
So in the latest book, when the ShadowClan cats are discussing which of them volunteers to go to the Dark Forest, Lightleap steps up against the clear wishes of Tigerstar and Dovewing, and there's this whole moment where they eventually accept her decision and the entire clan starts cheering her name before she heads off to the Moonpool. Once there, though, she backs out before she can even step foot in, letting her injured brother Shadowsight take her place.
My question is, was the only point of this whole thing just to show that the cats were really thinking about what they could be risking if they died in the DF? Because I had thought that Lightleap would get killed there and that would be the dramatic moment during the whole battle, but she just dipped before it could even start.
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Post by Flanoir on Nov 17, 2021 2:46:27 GMT -5
No big purpose, but I guess that at least it gave her a tiny bit of development. We barely know her, so it was nice to glimpse more of her. Perhaps they specifically chose her over Pouncestep because the dichotomy highlights Shadowsight's connection with darkness. Their names are foils, as Dovewing wanted to celebrate the differences between her and Tigerheart.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 17, 2021 3:35:14 GMT -5
No big purpose, but I guess that at least it gave her a tiny bit of development. We barely know her, so it was nice to glimpse more of her. Perhaps they specifically chose her over Pouncestep because the dichotomy highlights Shadowsight's connection with darkness. Their names are foils, as Dovewing wanted to celebrate the differences between her and Tigerheart. i've always found that weird. why give them special names with meaning like that and not make lightleap as important as shadowsight in someway? it just seems like a big waste. their attempt of using her in that scene was dumb because they never even bothered with shadow's siblings the whole arc lol. it feels like, to me, that cats now a days in these books don't care about their family just because the writers are too lazy to showcase backgrund cats and give everyone at least a semblance of personality or relationships/friendships
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 17, 2021 5:00:09 GMT -5
My guess is that the Erins realized Shadowsight was sucking up all the spotlight from his siblings so they gave a pointless moment for Lightleap only for them to fall back into old habits and throw Shadowsight back into the fray because his character plot armor would protect him. Yup yup.
Initial irritation aside, it's funny because when considering relationships in TBC for the main protagonists, Shadowsight really is the worse developed of the three?
Rootspring had his sister, and his father's development in the background, he had a small miniscule moment with Shadowsight but then the book treated them like they were friends all along?? Even though they weren't, but he at least also had good moments with his other clanmates too, along with him making peace with Turtle and Kite.
While with Bristlefrost, she had a great relationship with her siblings, and each of them even got their own moments of screen time. Bristle also had a good relationship with Rosepetal before she was iced, her relationship with Stemleaf made amends later, and her strained friendship with Spotfur, which was at least interesting. And if you want to count it as well, her ominous relationship with Ashfur, and the moment she had with her mother in the later half.
While Shadowsight had his...dad?? But like that's it? Honestly? The majority of the plot, his only significant relationship wasn't even with his kin or friends, it was with Ashfur, even over his own father. While Lightleap got like two insignificant moments, and...honest to goodness I can't even remember the third siblings name, but did they even do anything at all in TBC?
Like even with the romance plot aside, both Root and Bristle had more significant moments with their clan, kin, and friends than Shadow did in general. His mostly just added up to his father being over protective, Ashfur using him and stealing the show, or him being everyone's punching back, while his siblings are non-existent.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Nov 17, 2021 9:42:55 GMT -5
My guess is that the Erins realized Shadowsight was sucking up all the spotlight from his siblings so they gave a pointless moment for Lightleap only for them to fall back into old habits and throw Shadowsight back into the fray because his character plot armor would protect him. Yup yup. Initial irritation aside, it's funny because when considering relationships in TBC for the main protagonists, Shadowsight really is the worse developed of the three? Rootspring had his sister, and his father's development in the background, he had a small miniscule moment with Shadowsight but then the book treated them like they were friends all along?? Even though they weren't, but he at least also had good moments with his other clanmates too, along with him making peace with Turtle and Kite. While with Bristlefrost, she had a great relationship with her siblings, and each of them even got their own moments of screen time. Bristle also had a good relationship with Rosepetal before she was iced, her relationship with Stemleaf made amends later, and her strained friendship with Spotfur, which was at least interesting. And if you want to count it as well, her ominous relationship with Ashfur, and the moment she had with her mother in the later half. While Shadowsight had his...dad?? But like that's it? Honestly? The majority of the plot, his only significant relationship wasn't even with his kin or friends, it was with Ashfur, even over his own father. While Lightleap got like two insignificant moments, and...honest to goodness I can't even remember the third siblings name, but did they even do anything at all in TBC? Like even with the romance plot aside, both Root and Bristle had more significant moments with their clan, kin, and friends than Shadow did in general. His mostly just added up to his father being over protective, Ashfur using him and stealing the show, or him being everyone's punching back, while his siblings are non-existent. his brother Pouncestep. And yeah only moment I recall is when Pouncestep and Lightleap encouraged Shadowsight to join a hunting patrol with them to distract him from his feeling of failure and distress as a medicine cat following the unveiling that he was responsible for Bramblestars death and wasn’t getting visions from starclan. other then that it’s the ever annoying, awful Tigerstar being shown being a total jackass all the time. seriously wish Shadowsight’s siblings would of been more supportive shoulders for him to lean on for comfort and reassurance, and be given more integral purpose in his life and development as a character, and they’d could use the development and Screentime. while Tigerheart just continues spiraling downwards. Only to get glorified yet again like some valiant hero at the end of ALiTM. Makes me wanna puke . Plus Tigerstar’s fatherly advice really stinks, and he doesn’t do a very good job at listening or consoling, boosting his morale or practically anything of major value in shadowsights life IMO.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Nov 17, 2021 13:56:13 GMT -5
i always found it funny that lightleap and shadowsight got super meaningful names to “celebrate the differences” between their parents. and then dovewing and tiger got to their third child and were like “eh how about pouncekit?”
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Post by Goldy from Dappleclan on Nov 17, 2021 16:57:02 GMT -5
Yea the moment with Lightleap felt pretty forced. I would have liked it if she'd died in a battle in the DF too
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Nov 17, 2021 18:31:55 GMT -5
I wish Lightleap hadn't backed down. It would have been nice to see someone help except Shadowsight do a dangerous thing since he's had enough of those throughout the arc.
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Post by halogen on Nov 17, 2021 18:45:23 GMT -5
I guess they wanted to have all the protagonists involved in the climax instead of having one in a place where they could do nothing useful for the plot (meaning you would have to either cut his POV chapters or make them complete filler). Though it feels pointless since as I understand from the spoilers he didn't actually do anything useful or relevant, he just gets beaten up by Ashfur and get the whole villain manipulation lecture again while having to be rescued.
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Post by epicstyle on Nov 17, 2021 20:57:08 GMT -5
This is a bit of a stretch, but perhaps it was some sort of attempt for Lightleap to play a larger role in ASC? Since Sunbeam is a POV character, I think we will get to see ShadowClan outside of Shadowsight's mystical, plot-driven lens. I am hoping that we will get to see more of ShC's characters in the new arc, and my best guess is that Lightleap will be an important character and the scene in ALITM is the Erin's way of setting her up to be important. Like I said this is a stretch but I think it could be kinda cool. Maybe Lightleap's character arc could be about feeling guilty that she couldn't help in the Dark Forest, or something of that nature. I doubt this will happen though.
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Post by Bristleflight on Apr 2, 2022 21:34:04 GMT -5
Also in the new series spoiler alert. She is a reckless and annoying price of fox dong so there was a big perpuse.
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Post by Hollyfall on Apr 2, 2022 23:12:12 GMT -5
Also in the new series spoiler alert. She is a reckless and annoying price of fox dong so there was a big perpuse Please don't necropost How do people find these almost six month old threads?
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