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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2021 23:06:02 GMT -5
What are you most afraid of happening in Warrior Cats, something that you think the Erins might actually do that make you feel a sense of dread?
For me, my greatest fear is that when Jayfeather dies he won’t be blind in StarClan and everytime he appears the narrative will make sure to remind us how much happier he is now that he isn’t blind. They did it with Briarlight, and with the whole “Jayfeather can see when he visits StarClan” thing I’m genuinely worried they might do it again here.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 14, 2021 23:15:03 GMT -5
It's actually already been confirmed that Jayfeather won't be blind in StarClan and it's something that he's always resented. That being said, whether or not they'll actually go through with it though remains to be seen. It could very well just not happen, especially since the Erin team have been made aware how offensive Sandstorm's comment turned out to be.
As for me, the older leaders not dying. Mistystar in particular has basically become the cat equivalent of the Queen at this point and now that we'll finally be getting a RiverClan PoV, I'm interested to see what Reedwhisker would be like compared to her.
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Post by Snowfire on Nov 14, 2021 23:58:08 GMT -5
A poll on the official website where we decide which ship is canon (Dove with Tiger or Bumble for example) This would divide the fandom like how shipping ruined Star vs the forces of Evil.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2021 0:13:41 GMT -5
A poll on the official website where we decide which ship is canon (Dove with Tiger or Bumble for example) This would divide the fandom like how shipping ruined Star vs the forces of Evil. does the jayfeather poll count? (this is a joke, but can you imagine if it had actual stakes? imagine if cinderheart won and asc had a subplot about jayfeather stealing his brother’s wife lol) but yeah that sure would be something! I feel like, if there is another love triangle in the series, the website might actually run a poll on it. hopefully it would be more of a “what’s your opinion?” thing that has no bearing on canon but if not I feel like actual fights may break out over shipping
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Post by vectoring34 on Nov 15, 2021 0:29:44 GMT -5
Not sure if this is a hot take or not but Jayfeather being sighted in Starclan really isn't that weird to me. There's a massive industry of implants and surgeries for the deaf who want to hear things better, if the same technology existed for blind people, I'm sure you'd see it being applied to them too. There's a reason that the Deaf people who are against cochlear implants and the like are seen as extreme outliers, with the only real objections against it being its imperfection, which obviously doesn't apply for a magical reset button. This is even worse with the likes of Briarlight, as I have straight up never seen any pushback towards use of prosthetic limbs from communities who have lost usage of their limbs.
People like to be able to use the fullest potential of themselves, there is nothing strange about someone disabled, if offered a magic cure-all, deciding to opt to take said cure-all and ending up happier for it.
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Post by Spooky Alice on Nov 15, 2021 0:44:19 GMT -5
Not sure if this is a hot take or not but Jayfeather being sighted in Starclan really isn't that weird to me. There's a massive industry of implants and surgeries for the deaf who want to hear things better, if the same technology existed for blind people, I'm sure you'd see it being applied to them too. There's a reason that the Deaf people who are against cochlear implants and the like are seen as extreme outliers, with the only real objections against it being its imperfection, which obviously doesn't apply for a magical reset button. This is even worse with the likes of Briarlight, as I have straight up never seen any pushback towards use of prosthetic limbs from communities who have lost usage of their limbs. People like to be able to use the fullest potential of themselves, there is nothing strange about someone disabled, if offered a magic cure-all, deciding to opt to take said cure-all and ending up happier for it. The controversy around cochlears goes way beyond "extreme outliers" though. Curing disabled characters in fiction is controversial for a reason, because they like, don't have agency (and are usually written by abled people) I'm with the idea of Jayfeather being sighted in Starclan is a big "hell no", this series has a terrible track record with disability and "cured in death" is a horrible trope that I wish the series would drop ):
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2021 1:23:42 GMT -5
Not sure if this is a hot take or not but Jayfeather being sighted in Starclan really isn't that weird to me. There's a massive industry of implants and surgeries for the deaf who want to hear things better, if the same technology existed for blind people, I'm sure you'd see it being applied to them too. There's a reason that the Deaf people who are against cochlear implants and the like are seen as extreme outliers, with the only real objections against it being its imperfection, which obviously doesn't apply for a magical reset button. This is even worse with the likes of Briarlight, as I have straight up never seen any pushback towards use of prosthetic limbs from communities who have lost usage of their limbs. People like to be able to use the fullest potential of themselves, there is nothing strange about someone disabled, if offered a magic cure-all, deciding to opt to take said cure-all and ending up happier for it. The controversy around cochlears goes way beyond "extreme outliers" though. Curing disabled characters in fiction is controversial for a reason, because they like, don't have agency (and are usually written by abled people) I'm with the idea of Jayfeather being sighted in Starclan is a big "hell no", this series has a terrible track record with disability and "cured in death" is a horrible trope that I wish the series would drop ): yeah, it’s a really harmful trope that has devastating ramifications for disabled people. briarlight’s death and the way the narrative frames her being happier in starclan because she’s able to walk makes it seem like the only way to “escape” disability is death. it’s especially harmful since the way she dies is purposely not telling anyone about being sick because she feels like a burden. also, with the whole “characters appear how they were happiest in life” rule, it enforces the notion that disabled people can’t be happy. it would make no sense for jayfeather, who was born blind, to be able to see when he dies. these tropes don’t exist in a vacuum and there’s a reason people are upset over it
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Post by featherfire on Nov 15, 2021 1:35:06 GMT -5
Nothing more I fear than Daisy dying or her lineage just ending. Cherryfall, Molewhisker, and Mousewhisker better get busy or I'm burning all my books.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2021 1:48:20 GMT -5
Nothing more I fear than Daisy dying or her lineage just ending. Cherryfall, Molewhisker, and Mousewhisker better get busy or I'm burning all my books. agreed, the thunderclan family tree is such a mess, it makes no sense why only one of daisy’s kits had children? currently hoping for cherryfall and stormcloud to have kits
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Post by featherfire on Nov 15, 2021 1:56:28 GMT -5
Nothing more I fear than Daisy dying or her lineage just ending. Cherryfall, Molewhisker, and Mousewhisker better get busy or I'm burning all my books. agreed, the thunderclan family tree is such a mess, it makes no sense why only one of daisy’s kits had children? currently hoping for cherryfall and stormcloud to have kits Same, Stormcloud seems like the best suitor tbh and it would help thin out some of that TC blood by introducing an more of an outsider lineage.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2021 3:15:38 GMT -5
Nothing more I fear than Daisy dying or her lineage just ending. Cherryfall, Molewhisker, and Mousewhisker better get busy or I'm burning all my books. Yes I'm worried for Daisy and DustFern's bloodlines. The Erins handled them so poorly. Correct me if I'm wrong but if Pouncestep/Lightleap/Flipclaw/Thriftear don't have any kits (or random second litters from TigerDove/IvyFern/BirchWhite) the DustFern line is gone, kaput, that's how bad they did that family in like 2 arcs. Hopefully StormCherry happens. People wanted MoleSorrel but nope we got Dewnoe instead like we needed more Firekin. Mousewhisker is not even worth considering there's no hope for him lmao bye It's sad that they overkilled those families to the point there's a real chance they could be snuffed out, while Firekin has basically just taken over TC completely. Poor them
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Post by featherfire on Nov 15, 2021 3:25:22 GMT -5
Nothing more I fear than Daisy dying or her lineage just ending. Cherryfall, Molewhisker, and Mousewhisker better get busy or I'm burning all my books. Yes I'm worried for Daisy and DustFern's bloodlines. The Erins handled them so poorly. Correct me if I'm wrong but if Pouncestep/Lightleap/Flipclaw/Thriftear don't have any kits (or random second litters from TigerDove/IvyFern/BirchWhite) the DustFern line is gone, kaput, that's how bad they did that family in like 2 arcs. Hopefully StormCherry happens. People wanted MoleSorrel but nope we got Dewnoe instead like we needed more Firekin. Mousewhisker is not even worth considering there's no hope for him lmao bye It's sad that they overkilled those families to the point there's a real chance they could be snuffed out, while Firekin has basically just taken over TC completely. Poor them As of ALITM none of them have kits so you're right, as much as I hate cross-clan relationships considering their not handled well most of the time and just fill in the quota for pointless subplots StormCherry and Molewhisker with one of the TigerDove daughters would honestly be great on the condition that the half-clan kits are brought back to TC. Maybe it could be part of ASC but realistically Mole, Cherry, and Mouse are going to be in a ThornBlossom relationship with a mate who's wayy younger or just be culled by the Hunters. I totally agree with everything you say. RIP my poor boy Mousewhisker, always the bridesmaid never the bride. Agreed. At least we have Stormcloud in the mix, hopefully he finds a mate but tbh they might kill him early or forget about him. If Icecloud and Foxleap had lived, I'm pretty sure this problem wouldn't be as apparent as it is but there's no bringing them back. Even Ambermoon could have helped but that would just be one more Firekin to deal with. I digress, I just hope they at least pair off StormCherry before it's too late and EVERYONE becomes Firekin lmao.
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Post by Goldy from Dappleclan on Nov 15, 2021 3:47:11 GMT -5
I'm actually glad characters like Jayfeather and Briarlight get cured in Starclan. After all, can you imagine having to drag yourself around for all eternity? Ouch.
Plus the "cure" thing appears to be optional, Crookedstar never bothered with it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2021 3:51:05 GMT -5
Yes I'm worried for Daisy and DustFern's bloodlines. The Erins handled them so poorly. Correct me if I'm wrong but if Pouncestep/Lightleap/Flipclaw/Thriftear don't have any kits (or random second litters from TigerDove/IvyFern/BirchWhite) the DustFern line is gone, kaput, that's how bad they did that family in like 2 arcs. Hopefully StormCherry happens. People wanted MoleSorrel but nope we got Dewnoe instead like we needed more Firekin. Mousewhisker is not even worth considering there's no hope for him lmao bye It's sad that they overkilled those families to the point there's a real chance they could be snuffed out, while Firekin has basically just taken over TC completely. Poor them As of ALITM none of them have kits so you're right, as much as I hate cross-clan relationships considering their not handled well most of the time and just fill in the quota for pointless subplots StormCherry and Molewhisker with one of the TigerDove daughters would honestly be great on the condition that the half-clan kits are brought back to TC. Maybe it could be part of ASC but realistically Mole, Cherry, and Mouse are going to be in a ThornBlossom relationship with a mate who's wayy younger or just be culled by the Hunters. I totally agree with everything you say. RIP my poor boy Mousewhisker, always the bridesmaid never the bride. Agreed. At least we have Stormcloud in the mix, hopefully he finds a mate but tbh they might kill him early or forget about him. If Icecloud and Foxleap had lived, I'm pretty sure this problem wouldn't be as apparent as it is but there's no bringing them back. Even Ambermoon could have helped but that would just be one more Firekin to deal with. I digress, I just hope they at least pair off StormCherry before it's too late and EVERYONE becomes Firekin lmao. Yes and it's sad from a narrative perspective as well. Like did Daisy really need to outlive all her kids except one did Dustpelt really need to outlive FIVE out of seven kits. What was the reasoning for this?? It's so depressing and the narrative acknowledges it too with Daisy's book and Dust being a shell of himself in BrS. Meanwhile Firekin's running rampant, BrackenSorrel line has been absorbed except for Poppyfrost, ThornBlossom is an outlier but they got Stemleaf and who knows how many more Spotfur will pop out in ASC lol. They made a mistake with the second CloudBright litter and the 6 CinderLion kits, they didnt even really need Alderheart and Sparkpelt. Just call it FireClan at this point
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Post by featherfire on Nov 15, 2021 4:15:49 GMT -5
As of ALITM none of them have kits so you're right, as much as I hate cross-clan relationships considering their not handled well most of the time and just fill in the quota for pointless subplots StormCherry and Molewhisker with one of the TigerDove daughters would honestly be great on the condition that the half-clan kits are brought back to TC. Maybe it could be part of ASC but realistically Mole, Cherry, and Mouse are going to be in a ThornBlossom relationship with a mate who's wayy younger or just be culled by the Hunters. I totally agree with everything you say. RIP my poor boy Mousewhisker, always the bridesmaid never the bride. Agreed. At least we have Stormcloud in the mix, hopefully he finds a mate but tbh they might kill him early or forget about him. If Icecloud and Foxleap had lived, I'm pretty sure this problem wouldn't be as apparent as it is but there's no bringing them back. Even Ambermoon could have helped but that would just be one more Firekin to deal with. I digress, I just hope they at least pair off StormCherry before it's too late and EVERYONE becomes Firekin lmao. Yes and it's sad from a narrative perspective as well. Like did Daisy really need to outlive all her kids except one did Dustpelt really need to outlive FIVE out of seven kits. What was the reasoning for this?? It's so depressing and the narrative acknowledges it too with Daisy's book and Dust being a shell of himself in BrS. Meanwhile Firekin's running rampant, BrackenSorrel line has been absorbed except for Poppyfrost, ThornBlossom is an outlier but they got Stemleaf and who knows how many more Spotfur will pop out in ASC lol. They made a mistake with the second CloudBright litter and the 6 CinderLion kits, they didnt even really need Alderheart and Sparkpelt. Just call it FireClan at this point Right? I wonder if Daisy ever regrets bringing her kits to TC to be honest? I haven't finished Daisy's kin so it might have been mentioned already but still. Even if she wouldn't be able to see them I'm certain she would have wanted them alive rather than dead, maybe she's super close with Mole and Cherry but probably not. I can't imagine how Birchfall must feel either being the last kit of all his parents litters to still be alive. It honestly sounds super depressing. FireClan, clan of the endless progeny lol.
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Post by kells on Nov 15, 2021 4:19:57 GMT -5
I really don't get it. The idea of Briarlight not being disabled in StarClan makes a lot of sense. These aren't people, but cats who get a lot of happiness from running around and being able to defend themselves and their homes to the best of their abilities. Especially given that the life of warriors is almost entirely built around fierce loyalty and fighting/hunting. Being unable to fend for her Clan or at least hunt like the other warriors would of course make her feel terrible. Even queens who only stay in the nursery for 3 months max feel horrible staying in camp all day, imagine that for the majority of your life.
The "happiest form in life" thing wouldn't make sense for characters like Deadfoot, Crookedjaw, Runningnose, Brightheart...etc, but the characters who weren't happy with their disabilities, and suffered/lived a life they resent because of them (Jayfeather, Cinderpelt, Briarlight) I can understand.
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Post by vectoring34 on Nov 15, 2021 8:02:00 GMT -5
Not sure if this is a hot take or not but Jayfeather being sighted in Starclan really isn't that weird to me. There's a massive industry of implants and surgeries for the deaf who want to hear things better, if the same technology existed for blind people, I'm sure you'd see it being applied to them too. There's a reason that the Deaf people who are against cochlear implants and the like are seen as extreme outliers, with the only real objections against it being its imperfection, which obviously doesn't apply for a magical reset button. This is even worse with the likes of Briarlight, as I have straight up never seen any pushback towards use of prosthetic limbs from communities who have lost usage of their limbs. People like to be able to use the fullest potential of themselves, there is nothing strange about someone disabled, if offered a magic cure-all, deciding to opt to take said cure-all and ending up happier for it. The controversy around cochlears goes way beyond "extreme outliers" though. Curing disabled characters in fiction is controversial for a reason, because they like, don't have agency (and are usually written by abled people) I'm with the idea of Jayfeather being sighted in Starclan is a big "hell no", this series has a terrible track record with disability and "cured in death" is a horrible trope that I wish the series would drop ): Debate over cochlears, if done in good faith, generally focuses on how imperfect it is and how treating it like a cure is incorrect because the technology simply is not at that level. That is a fair argument and has validity, but it has little bearing on a hypothetical where the cure DID magically exist. When I talk about extreme outliers, I'm talking about the people who will straight up reject those who chose to get cochlear implants, speech therapy, or what have you to the degree that you get cult comparisons. I definitely would consider that an outlier to the overall community, but those are also the only ones who I would think would have a problem with a technological/magical solution so long as it worked perfectly (obviously our current solutions do not, so there is good reason for people to be on edge). Deaf culture is also one of the more extreme examples because of the fact that they have their own language and so it's almost like a small cultural-lingual group, you will see even less pushback from other disabilities which lack a common culture. By the same token as disabled characters not having agency though, does that mean that the authors should lionize the disability though by having a character, when given the chance, refuse to give it up? This is also a problematic stereotype from a certain point of view, the idea that the disabled don't actually face hardship, they simply need a better attitude about it. But this ignores the obvious reality that many disabled people generally LIKE to have outs to their disability.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2021 11:00:10 GMT -5
I’m too tired to fully explain the harmful tropes at play in relation to briarlight’s death and all of her appearances in starclan. it is something that goes beyond just warrior cats, and is perpetuating ideas that have lead to disabled people being harmed. in regards to the magic cure trope (which is also harmful) I highly recommend you look at articles explaining why it’s harmful, as plenty of those exist.
I didn’t make this thread with the intention of having to explain why it’s harmful, as I assumed it was common knowledge, but regardless I would appreciate if you all focused on the actual purpose of this thread, that being sharing things you’d hate to see happen in the series. thank you
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Post by platinum blond death on Nov 15, 2021 11:07:46 GMT -5
im worried that they're gonna create a little dynasty of protagonists all related to firestar in some way. let him rest i am begging the erins
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Nov 15, 2021 12:12:51 GMT -5
The dysfunctional BrambleSquirrel relationship getting dragged into even more spotlight in future arcs. ALitM Spoilers Those two should have never gotten back together after OotS or at all in TNP. I also think it was a completely wasted opportunity to not kill them off at the end of TBC. This arc was literally about them and their "little" issue from the past (Ashfur) coming back to haunt them so why not let these two ascend to StarClan by the end of it instead of permanently icing Bristlefrost? Ugh!
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Nov 15, 2021 18:27:51 GMT -5
Just any sort of polls that go beyond deciding what character should get their own book. The Riverstar SE just proved no one can be trusted with big in-universe decisions and that should be left to the editors and authors to decide.
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Post by rabbit on Nov 15, 2021 20:07:07 GMT -5
My biggest fear is me getting a terminal disease, being unable to find out what happens next because Warriors will outlive me.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Nov 16, 2021 1:04:16 GMT -5
You know what I find truly disheartening and sad about threads and articles on the topics that have been mentioned above? Is that about 95%+ of the time there posted/written by someone who is able-bodied that for some reason has taken offense to tropes aforementioned in others posts for being harmful in literature , and yet it's extremely rare that I've seen someone that has a cognitive or physical disability etc. to express that they are offensive to them. Now personally I know quite a few people with crippling disabilities, I also have many of family members that do as well, And I myself have several Disabilities and don't have any problem, nor do I know anyone that's offended by the tropes either, and frankly I find some of these posts quite bothersome .
Now it's too my knowledge and personal experience that there's a big misconception of people believing that those with Disabilities wish to be treated with exaggerated amounts of sensitivity and extra consideration, and like being given some degree of special treatment due to their constrained abilities, when in reality to most this only serves to make them feel singled out, isolated and different, and is quite often taken as offensive, rude and even hurtful to their pride and self-esteem. most wish to be treated and defined for themselves, not their disabilities and most certainly don't wish for people to feel the necessity to act differently, or shield them from the falsely perceived potential harm of mentioning their ailment to them, or behaving like they can't take care of themselves. of course still avoid making belittling or teasing comments concerning it.
Now I personally, don't see the issue with Jayfeather being able to see in Starclan, and I can relate to his disabilities , being I suffer from Visual impairment myself and Congenital Foot Deformity, in which I have literal bones missing in my feet , which in turn leads to a lot of twisted ankles, and clumsy moments. while I my not be blind like Jayfeather, my nearsightedness is so severe to the degree that without Glasses I can hardly see further then 2-3 feet in front of my face before it all becomes a blur , and by golly if I was presented a magical cure-all in the hypothetical sense then I'd snatch it up without hesitation. and while I'm perfectly capable of functioning and going about in day to day life , and be happy. I'd certainly be much happier if I was completely ridden free of these daily hindrances.
And I don't know what people perceive as harmful about the 'cured in death' or how the so-called 'characters appear how they were happiest in life' rule enforces that people with disabilities aren't able to be happy?. people can certainly be happy and adapt to living with them, but I'd safely say that there's no one , that if offered the chance of to live free of disability, no risks or strings attached , would reject the opportunity, I know I certainly wouldn't .
and with the situation with Briarlight I personally find it to be a very strong and impactful message that they took the route of realistically depicting a Paraplegic or Quadriplegic's , admittedly harsh and harrowing, struggles with their feelings of being Burdensome , loss of self-worth and just how mentally impactful and degrading it is to be reduced to such a prostrate condition instead of wrapping it up in a pretty red ribbon. including the harsh reality that many that suffer from a disability of that magnitude do often, as tragic as it is to admit, take the option of being put down, or putting out of their misery sort of speak , because it's just too heart-wrenching for them to put their loved ones through the burden of having to assist them in practically everything, plus they'd rather be remembered for their life and feats while perfectly healthy at their full potential, whether while they stayed crippled in bed or their char all day long , day after day( my Mother has suffered from Bulimia and subsequent chronic anorexia almost her entire life, and watching how she's slowly starved and Malnourished herself to a literal skeleton that can't even move out of her chair without aid, has been just Agonizing, excruciating, heartbreaking torture of indescribable proportion), and we've also receive the strong, inspirational message of Briarlight's determination and unremittable drive to push onwards, her boundless enthusiasm and optimism, and contagious cheerfulness that inspires her clanmates and brightens their days is truly moving, all while facing the harrowing truth that her goals, achievements, and aspirations have been completely squashed and stripped from her. so I'd say she's lived as about as happy and fulfilling of a life that She possibly could, and her being content leaving the living world knowing that's she's lived an accomplished life, and becoming happier in the afterlife after being fully restored shouldn't be viewed in an negative light imo.
All disingenuous depiction is gonna do is make light of of their situation and struggles, and has greater chance of coming off as hurtful , and that people aren't fully respecting what difficulties they must endure through everyday life. At the end of the day to my knowledge, most people that suffer from a disability don't want to be shielded or coddled or treated special because of it. but wish to be given the same respect and acknowledgement, and courtesy that any of us expect.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2021 1:09:52 GMT -5
You know what I find truly disheartening and sad about threads and articles on the topics that have been mentioned above? Is that about 95%+ of the time there posted/written by someone who is able-bodied that for some reason has taken offense to tropes aforementioned in others posts for being harmful in literature , and yet it's extremely rare that I've seen someone that has a cognitive or physical disability etc. to express that they are offensive to them. Now personally I know quite a few people with crippling disabilities, I also have many of family members that do as well, And I myself have several Disabilities and don't have any problem, nor do I know anyone that's offended by the tropes either, and frankly I find some of these posts quite bothersome . Now it's too my knowledge and personal experience that there's a big misconception of people believing that those with Disabilities wish to be treated with exaggerated amounts of sensitivity and extra consideration, and like being given some degree of special treatment due to their constrained abilities, when in reality to most this only serves to make them feel singled out, isolated and different, and is quite often taken as offensive, rude and even hurtful to their pride and self-esteem. most wish to be treated and defined for themselves, not their disabilities and most certainly don't wish for people to feel the necessity to act differently, or shield them from the falsely perceived potential harm of mentioning their ailment to them, or behaving like they can't take of themselves. of course still avoid making belittling or teasing comments concerning it. Now I personally, don't see the issue with Jayfeather being able to see in Starclan, and I can relate to his disabilities , being I suffer from Visual impairment myself and Congenital Foot Deformity, in which I have literal bones missing in my feet , which in turn leads to a lot of twisted ankles, and clumsy moments. while I my not be blind like Jayfeather, my nearsightedness is so severe to the degree that without Glasses I can hardly see further then 2-3 feet in front of my face before it all becomes a blur , and by golly if I was presented a magical cure-all in the hypothetical sense then I'd snatch it up without hesitation. and while I'm perfectly capable of functioning and going about in day to day life , and be happy. I'd certainly be much happier if I was completely ridden free of these daily hindrances. And I don't know what people perceive as harmful about the 'cured in death' or how the so-called 'characters appear how they were happiest in life' rule enforces that people with disabilities aren't able to be happy?. people can certainly be happy and adapt to living with them, but I'd safely say that there's no one , that if offered the chance of to live free of disability, no risks or strings attached , would reject the opportunity, I know I certainly wouldn't . and with the situation with Briarlight I personally find it to be a very strong and impactful message that they took the route of realistically depicting a Paraplegic or Quadriplegic's , admittedly harsh and harrowing, struggles with their feelings of being Burdensome , loss of self-worth and just how mentally impactful and degrading it is to be reduced to such a prostrate condition instead of wrapping it up in a pretty red ribbon. including the harsh reality that many that suffer from a disability of that magnitude do often, as tragic as it is to admit, take the option of being put down, or putting out of their misery sort of speak , because it's just too heart-wrenching for them to put their loved ones through the burden of having to assist them in practically everything, plus they'd rather be remembered for their life and feats while perfectly healthy at their full potential, whether while they stayed crippled in bed or their char all day long , day after day( my Mother has suffered from Bulimia and subsequent chronic anorexia almost her entire life, and watching how she's slowly starved and Malnourished herself to a literal skeleton that can't even move out of her chair without aid, has been just Agonizing, excruciating, heartbreaking torture of indescribable proportion), and we've also receive the strong, inspirational message of Briarlight's determination and unremittable drive to push onwards, her boundless enthusiasm and optimism, and contagious cheerfulness that inspires her clanmates and brightens their days is truly moving, all while facing the harrowing truth that her goals, achievements, and aspirations have been completely squashed and stripped from her. so I'd say she's lived as about as happy and fulfilling of a life that She possibly could, and her being content leaving the living world knowing that's she's lived an accomplished life, and becoming happier in the afterlife after being fully restored shouldn't be viewed in an negative light imo. All disingenuous depiction is gonna do is make light of of their situation and struggles, and has greater chance of coming off as hurtful , and that people aren't fully respecting what difficulties they must endure through everyday life. At the end of the day to my knowledge, most people that suffer from a disability don't want to be shielded or coddled or treated special because of it. but wish to be given the same respect and acknowledgement, and courtesy that any of us expect. I’m disabled.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2021 1:19:46 GMT -5
I’m too tired to fully explain the harmful tropes at play in relation to briarlight’s death and all of her appearances in starclan. it is something that goes beyond just warrior cats, and is perpetuating ideas that have lead to disabled people being harmed. in regards to the magic cure trope (which is also harmful) I highly recommend you look at articles explaining why it’s harmful, as plenty of those exist. I didn’t make this thread with the intention of having to explain why it’s harmful, as I assumed it was common knowledge, but regardless I would appreciate if you all focused on the actual purpose of this thread, that being sharing things you’d hate to see happen in the series. thank you please refer to this. I’m too tired to explain to people why briarlight’s death and the way it is written is aggressively ableist. stop.
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Post by Sand 🎃 on Nov 16, 2021 6:01:03 GMT -5
Please follow the social guidelines and forum rules. I understand that ableism is difficult topic along with disability being one too. I know this too well. If you could all read each other’s posts and take a moment to comprehend, that would be appreciated. I’d rather not have things spiral out of control.
Thread is going to stay locked. If you disagree, let me know.
Thanks. My PMs are open if you need anything, no matter what it is.
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