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Post by mymerlincat on Nov 14, 2021 14:28:53 GMT -5
What did you interpret as the themes of this arc?
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Post by epicstyle on Nov 14, 2021 14:42:46 GMT -5
One theme that was touched on was dealing with rejection. The whole arc revolved around this, with it being Ashfur's primary motivation. Bristlefrost serves as a foil for this by handling Stemleaf's rejection in a healthy manner. She even became close with his mate Spotfur, and they shared their grief from Stemleaf's loss. Ashfur could have never done this. A long time ago he was friends with Brambleclaw, but he lost himself and everyone he once cared about in his heartbreak.
I wish that they had played into this some more throughout the arc. What I would have done is have Ashfur use Bristlefrost's feelings to manipulate her during TST, since they both had been turned down by the cats they loved. But unlike Ashfur, Bristlefrost would eventually learn to move on.
The arc also delved deep into a horror atmosphere which I loved, especially in the first couple of books which had such a bleak atmosphere.
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Post by lionblazex on Nov 14, 2021 14:53:24 GMT -5
Personal responsibility/redemption is a theme in both Shadowsight and Bristlefrost's arcs as they both attempt to make up for mistakes they made while being manipulated by Ashfur(even if how at fault they are may be debatable) tryingto. We also see this with characters like Snowtuft trying to atone for what they in life
Not to follow laws or leaders blindly and considering what's moral yourself was another theme as Ashfur used his status as leader and the code as an excuse to get good cats to do immoral actions and various characters questions if it's right even before the revel and still countine to question the code even after the revel
Faith/hope as well since the characters struggle with trying to keep their faith in StarClan after they become silent.
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Post by Chicken on Nov 18, 2021 12:17:02 GMT -5
Power of Three part 3.
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#04F9B3
StarClan leader
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Featherstar
She could now see that destiny alone could not save RiverClan. - Frostpaw, Wind
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Post by Featherstar on Nov 18, 2021 13:02:17 GMT -5
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Nov 18, 2021 13:08:31 GMT -5
Starclan is useless
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Asexual
#07B04C
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Ṣanɗypaw™
The Shiny User
🎵Guess that's just the way it goes, easy come, easy go🎵
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Nov 18, 2021 20:04:33 GMT -5
Dealing with tragedy as so many beloved cats died off.
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Post by vectoring34 on Nov 19, 2021 0:48:48 GMT -5
In this thread, people confusing genre with themes.
As for me, one very clear theme present in the series has to do with dealing with one's own past and the pain of it. Ashfur can't move on and accept his mistakes and so transcends death and destroys the world because he's not happy with how his life turned out, Shadowsight is wracked with miserable guilt over what he did, Bristlefrost is left wondering if it is fair to move on from tragedy or if she should put down her optimism to be sad more, Rootspring is haunted quite literally by ghosts of the past, and so on. It is appropriate for an arc inspired by Gothic horror, given this is also a major theme in Dracula.
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Heterosexual
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Message me your headcanons pls
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Post by ˈʔɛɱb̪ɻ̩f̞ʊt̠̚ on Nov 19, 2021 10:46:11 GMT -5
KILLING YOUNGER WARRIORS INSTEAD OF THE OLD ONES WHO DESERVE TO FRICKING DIE ALREADY!!! sometimes i hate this series
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Cloudstorm
Don’t let it kill you. Even when it hurts like hell.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Nov 19, 2021 18:25:14 GMT -5
In this thread, people confusing genre with themes. As for me, one very clear theme present in the series has to do with dealing with one's own past and the pain of it. Ashfur can't move on and accept his mistakes and so transcends death and destroys the world because he's not happy with how his life turned out, Shadowsight is wracked with miserable guilt over what he did, Bristlefrost is left wondering if it is fair to move on from tragedy or if she should put down her optimism to be sad more, Rootspring is haunted quite literally by ghosts of the past, and so on. It is appropriate for an arc inspired by Gothic horror, given this is also a major theme in Dracula. Words used to describe a piece of media’s Genre or theme are relatively interchangeable , dependent on ones own interpretation and perspective . Given intended themes can be interpreted very differently based on the quality of the narrative and if it was pulled off in a visceral and believable, emotive fashion.
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Post by vectoring34 on Nov 19, 2021 18:42:21 GMT -5
In this thread, people confusing genre with themes. As for me, one very clear theme present in the series has to do with dealing with one's own past and the pain of it. Ashfur can't move on and accept his mistakes and so transcends death and destroys the world because he's not happy with how his life turned out, Shadowsight is wracked with miserable guilt over what he did, Bristlefrost is left wondering if it is fair to move on from tragedy or if she should put down her optimism to be sad more, Rootspring is haunted quite literally by ghosts of the past, and so on. It is appropriate for an arc inspired by Gothic horror, given this is also a major theme in Dracula. Words used to describe a piece of media’s Genre or theme are relatively interchangeable , dependent on ones own interpretation and perspective . Given intended themes can be interpreted very differently based on the quality of the narrative and if it was pulled off in a visceral and believable, emotive fashion. No, that's flat out incorrect. A literary work's themes are the messages and ideals carried within said literary work. This has absolutely nothing to do with a story's genre, which merely describes what type of work it is and does not describe the ideals of it. For instance, Halloween is a horror movie just like Godzilla is, but Halloween is about suburban anxieties about dangers in the suburbs while Godzilla is a critique of nuclear weaponry. Attempting to claim that just because they share the same genre they share the same themes is quite frankly utterly baseless and a deep misunderstanding of how literary criticism works. It is easy to slap a genre label on a story and it says almost nothing about it, themes are a far deeper issue and provide far more discussion. There is no one in the literary world who can call genre or theme interchangeable, it's simply not how these words are used. You can interpret themes differently to be sure, but that's not what a good chunk of this thread was doing, which is why I kind of felt bad for the OP. Just saying "it's this genre" isn't interpreting themes differently, it's ignoring the question entirely.
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Post by rabbit on Nov 19, 2021 19:22:10 GMT -5
Theme is Ashfur = bad.
Also supporting loved ones trumps what is considered law. BristleRoot, Squirrelflight insistence on saving real Bramble, Tigerheart siding with Dovewing and Shadowsight, Tree supporting Rootspring at the rebel meetings.
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Cloudstorm
Don’t let it kill you. Even when it hurts like hell.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Nov 19, 2021 23:37:06 GMT -5
Words used to describe a piece of media’s Genre or theme are relatively interchangeable , dependent on ones own interpretation and perspective . Given intended themes can be interpreted very differently based on the quality of the narrative and if it was pulled off in a visceral and believable, emotive fashion. No, that's flat out incorrect. A literary work's themes are the messages and ideals carried within said literary work. This has absolutely nothing to do with a story's genre, which merely describes what type of work it is and does not describe the ideals of it. For instance, Halloween is a horror movie just like Godzilla is, but Halloween is about suburban anxieties about dangers in the suburbs while Godzilla is a critique of nuclear weaponry. Attempting to claim that just because they share the same genre they share the same themes is quite frankly utterly baseless and a deep misunderstanding of how literary criticism works. It is easy to slap a genre label on a story and it says almost nothing about it, themes are a far deeper issue and provide far more discussion. There is no one in the literary world who can call genre or theme interchangeable, it's simply not how these words are used. You can interpret themes differently to be sure, but that's not what a good chunk of this thread was doing, which is why I kind of felt bad for the OP. Just saying "it's this genre" isn't interpreting themes differently, it's ignoring the question entirely. guess I didn’t get the impression that people were trying to ignore the themes all together, and I’m not saying that genre and themes are fluidly interchangeable or anything, just on a superficial level. Point I was trying to make is that while a specific theme maybe implemented or depicted in a piece of literature . dependent on the quality of its execution, how well its written etc, is a determining factor on whether or not people will perceive said theme as intended by the Author . An loose example would be like placing a chocolate label on a carob bar, doesn’t mean it’s chocolate . And while the theme for TBC covers dealing with lose , letting go of the past etc. the poor handling and execution and writing quality imo , made it come off as more edgy/dark humor and Satire , and overall cheap and difficult to take seriously.
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Post by vectoring34 on Nov 20, 2021 0:45:51 GMT -5
No, that's flat out incorrect. A literary work's themes are the messages and ideals carried within said literary work. This has absolutely nothing to do with a story's genre, which merely describes what type of work it is and does not describe the ideals of it. For instance, Halloween is a horror movie just like Godzilla is, but Halloween is about suburban anxieties about dangers in the suburbs while Godzilla is a critique of nuclear weaponry. Attempting to claim that just because they share the same genre they share the same themes is quite frankly utterly baseless and a deep misunderstanding of how literary criticism works. It is easy to slap a genre label on a story and it says almost nothing about it, themes are a far deeper issue and provide far more discussion. There is no one in the literary world who can call genre or theme interchangeable, it's simply not how these words are used. You can interpret themes differently to be sure, but that's not what a good chunk of this thread was doing, which is why I kind of felt bad for the OP. Just saying "it's this genre" isn't interpreting themes differently, it's ignoring the question entirely. guess I didn’t get the impression that people were trying to ignore the themes all together, and I’m not saying that genre and themes are fluidly interchangeable or anything, just on a superficial level. Point I was trying to make is that while a specific theme maybe implemented or depicted in a piece of literature . dependent on the quality of its execution, how well its written etc, is a determining factor on whether or not people will perceive said theme as intended by the Author . An loose example would be like placing a chocolate label on a carob bar, doesn’t mean it’s chocolate . And while the theme for TBC covers dealing with lose , letting go of the past etc. the poor handling and execution and writing quality imo , made it come off as more edgy/dark humor and Satire , and overall cheap and difficult to take seriously. Dark humor is a genre. Again, you are conflating theme with genre. An analogy would be like saying “instead of painting the wall green, it was painted sweet.” This is a nonsensical sentence as it implies comparison between completely different things, and likewise here where you say that instead of executing these themes, it is a dark comedy satire genre. You are free to argue it did not execute its themes well but saying it is a dark comedy as if that is a theme in and of itself makes no sense. Something can be a dark comedy and still have said themes. Moreover, authorial intent does matter when discussing themes. Divorcing it from that divorces you from context
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