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Post by mymerlincat on Nov 12, 2021 12:40:51 GMT -5
It’s seriously weird to me how many people talk, complain, and act super opinions over a book they haven’t even read yet
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Nov 12, 2021 13:17:58 GMT -5
Idk, maybe it's just nice to feel right without having to suffer through reading the book
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Post by Cloudstorm on Nov 12, 2021 14:16:47 GMT -5
I know some people do it just to garner attention , and to spark an argument . Others receive some self-gratification from flaming and badmouthing , and trying to prove themselves correct over others . Some people just really like to have opposing opinions to rub people the wrong way to instigate heated debates , so they can demean and belittle people for liking something , in a sad, piteous attempt to make themselves feel better in comparison to others , aka bullying .
There’s a plethora of reasons why people complain , sometimes it’s constructive , sometimes it’s just disrespectful, snarky remarks that carry no depth and has the sole intention of being belligerent.
Personally , I keep my comments and opinions, and critiques to books I’ve read . Openly spouting your mouth off about things you haven’t ever read is only going to make you come off as an arrogant , disdainful , immature little A$$. While I’m not saying that people shouldn’t be able to have perfectly cordial debates , and express their negative opinions when an author/writer/editor does a poor job writing a book in a beloved series they enjoy, kinda is the purpose of fandoms to begin with .
I’m not aware how many people actually moan and groan about books they haven’t read , but they are definitely out there.
There’s books I’ve haven’t read in this series yet, though very few( part of DoTC’s and a few super editions). And Ive expressed my lack of opinion on them pretty clearly in multiple threads .
End of the day, some people just really like being an A-hole for no apparent reason .
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Nov 12, 2021 15:20:07 GMT -5
Because people are allowed to express their opinions regardless of having actually read certain books in this series. There is enough information to be found online be it on spoiler threads for new releases, wiki summary pages or someone posting actual screenshots of what goes on in them like Spinestar's thread on here about ALitM. While a lot of people (including myself) still have not read that book they were able to see whole scenes this way and thus form an initial view on it.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Nov 12, 2021 15:28:25 GMT -5
Because people are allowed to express their opinions regardless of having actually read certain books in this series. There is enough information to be found online be it on spoiler threads for new releases, wiki summary pages or someone posting actual screenshots of what goes on in them like Spinestar's thread on here about ALitM. While a lot of people (including myself) still have not read that book they were able to see whole scenes this way and thus form an initial view on it. those are really good points. Personally , even if I’ve read spoilers or heard other people opinions on them and able to generate a pretty good outline of what happens , I still wait until I’ve completely read it myself before developing an opinion . Because most of the time I’ll read through it , and be thinking like,” did I just read the same book? Because I don’t see what anyone has been talking about at all”. That may be just me , but plenty of times I do feel like I’ve read is a complete 360 of what everyone claims it to be .
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 12, 2021 15:37:20 GMT -5
Because people are allowed to express their opinions regardless of having actually read certain books in this series. There is enough information to be found online be it on spoiler threads for new releases, wiki summary pages or someone posting actual screenshots of what goes on in them like Spinestar's thread on here about ALitM. While a lot of people (including myself) still have not read that book they were able to see whole scenes this way and thus form an initial view on it. Adding onto this, books are expensive, especially if they're hardcover. I like to experience something for myself before fully judging it and always encourage other people to do the same, but unless you're willing to wait to get it through your local library, have the time to read it at a bookstore if you're even able to at all (as not all stores will have reading nooks), or are acquiring the book through illegal means, why waste your time and money on something you might not even enjoy if the information—such as book summaries—is already out there? It's the same reason why people like to look at reviews for other books or movies or shows or even restaurants. I may not agree with judging something before experiencing it yourself, but I at least understand it.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Nov 12, 2021 15:39:17 GMT -5
Because people are allowed to express their opinions regardless of having actually read certain books in this series. There is enough information to be found online be it on spoiler threads for new releases, wiki summary pages or someone posting actual screenshots of what goes on in them like Spinestar's thread on here about ALitM. While a lot of people (including myself) still have not read that book they were able to see whole scenes this way and thus form an initial view on it. those are really good points. Personally , even if I’ve read spoilers or heard other people opinions on them and able to generate a pretty outline of what happens , I still wait until I’ve completely read it myself before developing an opinion . Because most of the time I’ll read through it , and be thinking like,” did I just read the same book? Because I don’t see what anyone has been talking about at all”. That may be just me , but plenty of times I do feel like I’ve read is a complete 360 of what everyone claims it to be . For me, I read someone's take on a certain topic and will still always try to find as much information on it to form my own view on the subject. Sometimes, my opinion changes if I read a situation myself that has been discussed by others in detail but only had a limited amount of published content out at the time but if there is enough "evidence" I'm able to at least have my own initial reaction on the matter. Perspectives can still always develop further though.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Nov 12, 2021 15:47:21 GMT -5
Because people are allowed to express their opinions regardless of having actually read certain books in this series. There is enough information to be found online be it on spoiler threads for new releases, wiki summary pages or someone posting actual screenshots of what goes on in them like Spinestar's thread on here about ALitM. While a lot of people (including myself) still have not read that book they were able to see whole scenes this way and thus form an initial view on it. Adding onto this, books are expensive, especially if they're hardcover. I like to experience something for myself before fully judging it and always encourage other people to do the same, but unless you're willing to wait to get it through your local library, have the time to read it at a bookstore if you're even able to at all (as not all stores will have reading nooks), or are acquiring the book through illegal means, why waste your time and money on something you might not even enjoy if the information—such as book summaries—is already out there? It's the same reason why people like to look at reviews for other books or movies or shows or even restaurants. I may not agree with judging something before experiencing it yourself, but I at least understand it. I have decided to wait until the complete TBC paperback box releases next year due to it being quite a bit more expensive to acquire them individually as hardcovers. Also, because I already got the other six arcs as boxes as well and want to keep the overall aesthetic. I'm thinking about making an exception for ASC though just so I can experience the excitement of reading these books and properly discussing their contents when they come out instead of months or even years later.
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Post by 𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥 on Nov 12, 2021 16:07:11 GMT -5
Because people are allowed to express their opinions regardless of having actually read certain books in this series. There is enough information to be found online be it on spoiler threads for new releases, wiki summary pages or someone posting actual screenshots of what goes on in them like Spinestar's thread on here about ALitM. While a lot of people (including myself) still have not read that book they were able to see whole scenes this way and thus form an initial view on it. those are really good points. Personally , even if I’ve read spoilers or heard other people opinions on them and able to generate a pretty outline of what happens , I still wait until I’ve completely read it myself before developing an opinion . Because most of the time I’ll read through it , and be thinking like,” did I just read the same book? Because I don’t see what anyone has been talking about at all”. That may be just me , but plenty of times I do feel like I’ve read is a complete 360 of what everyone claims it to be . That is exactly what has happend to me when reading DotC. I almost knew for sure that I was going to hate Clear Sky and appreciate Thunder, but here I am, a big Clear Sky fan and someone who absolutely despises Thunder.
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Post by rabbit on Nov 12, 2021 17:10:43 GMT -5
There are times where I wonder if I'm reading the same book as other people with their takes on certain characters or events, but then I find out they've never actually read the book in the first place and are basing their opinion on spoilers, summaries, or youtube videos (maps, moonkitti skits, analyst videos etc.). And I'm like oh, no wonder. But it's fine. I find some of their opinions kind of funny, especially if they are super dramatic ones.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 12, 2021 18:37:53 GMT -5
Because people are allowed to express their opinions regardless of having actually read certain books in this series. There is enough information to be found online be it on spoiler threads for new releases, wiki summary pages or someone posting actual screenshots of what goes on in them like Spinestar's thread on here about ALitM. While a lot of people (including myself) still have not read that book they were able to see whole scenes this way and thus form an initial view on it. basically this. i refuse to spend money or time on books i know i wont like, so i thrive off spoilers and spoiler threads. i see nothing wrong with forming opinions based on the hard facts of what events happen in the book(s). i buy one book at a time now, if i dont like the book, then i wont waste money or time on the others to come, and will just depend on spoilers for the rest of the series. i've done this with both AVOS and TBC. i own the first 3 books of both arcs, but not the later halves.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Nov 12, 2021 18:57:58 GMT -5
Because fans are allowed to have their own opinion on a book they've gotten the summary about, and know enough to have formed a clear opinion on the book. I have yet to see someone make a troll opinion here about ALiTM.
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Post by mymerlincat on Nov 12, 2021 19:13:12 GMT -5
Because fans are allowed to have their own opinion on a book they've gotten the summary about, and know enough to have formed a clear opinion on the book. I have yet to see someone make a troll opinion here about ALiTM. It's impossible to know enough to form a clear opinion on a book by simply reading a summary.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 12, 2021 20:14:33 GMT -5
Because fans are allowed to have their own opinion on a book they've gotten the summary about, and know enough to have formed a clear opinion on the book. I have yet to see someone make a troll opinion here about ALiTM. It's impossible to know enough to form a clear opinion on a book by simply reading a summary. we can agree to disagree early here, but i just wanna say, i dont understand ur argument. if i dont like the events, then why would my opinion change by reading it for myself...? detailed summaries are sufficient for me personally so i just dont get ur argument.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Nov 12, 2021 20:35:28 GMT -5
because i dont like the books enough anymore for them to be worth buying, but i continue to have a mild interest in the continuing stories due to nostalgia and sentimentality. so i care enough to want to stay looped into the series progression but not enough to fully invest money and time into each individual book.
occasionally i will see that the story has developed in a manner that i do not think lived up to its potential, and i'll critique it for that. i think you do need to read the actual book if you want to pick at details like the writing style, but a chapter-by-chapter detailed plot outline is perfectly sufficient for opinions regarding story progression.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Nov 13, 2021 11:29:11 GMT -5
Because fans are allowed to have their own opinion on a book they've gotten the summary about, and know enough to have formed a clear opinion on the book. I have yet to see someone make a troll opinion here about ALiTM. It's impossible to know enough to form a clear opinion on a book by simply reading a summary. You do know that pictures of the pages were also posted right? Maybe you should check up on spoiler threads before complaining.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2021 12:01:42 GMT -5
yeah it’s really annoying. it’s also something that’s led to weird telephone games where facts end up getting distorted.
also, it is literally impossible to get all the details from a summary. that’s why it’s a summary! I’ve found a few times that I dislike a book when reading a recap of what happens, but when I actually get around to reading it I enjoy it a lot!
there’s more to books than just a vague summary of events. there are details and character moments that usually give the events more context and make them feel smoother and more thought out.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Nov 13, 2021 12:37:50 GMT -5
yeah it’s really annoying. it’s also something that’s led to weird telephone games where facts end up getting distorted. also, it is literally impossible to get all the details from a summary. that’s why it’s a summary! I’ve found a few times that I dislike a book when reading a recap of what happens, but when I actually get around to reading it I enjoy it a lot! there’s more to books than just a vague summary of events. there are details and character moments that usually give the events more context and make them feel smoother and more thought out. As it was stated above by multiple people in this thread (including myself), people can at least form an initial opinion on a book if a summary or spoiler thread is posted (in the case of Spinestar's ALitM thread it even came with screenshots). That first response can change over time but there is nothing wrong with people reacting to a piece of canon information with proof to back it up. And then there is also the fact that some fans simply don't want to spent money on buying a book of which they didn't even like the summary. Just because someone refuses to waste money on something they don't like doesn't mean they aren't allowed to talk about it or express their perspective on it. For example, I haven't read the TBC arc (waiting for the cheaper paperback box next year) but still have collected enough information for myself (character profiles, quotes, scene/dialogue screenshots and so on) to speak on the arc's story development using canon source material even if it's just online for now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2021 12:41:20 GMT -5
yeah it’s really annoying. it’s also something that’s led to weird telephone games where facts end up getting distorted. also, it is literally impossible to get all the details from a summary. that’s why it’s a summary! I’ve found a few times that I dislike a book when reading a recap of what happens, but when I actually get around to reading it I enjoy it a lot! there’s more to books than just a vague summary of events. there are details and character moments that usually give the events more context and make them feel smoother and more thought out. As it was stated above by multiple people in this thread (including myself), people can at least form an initial opinion on a book if a summary or spoiler thread is posted (in the case of Spinestar's ALitM thread it even came with screenshots). That first response can change over time but there is nothing wrong with people reacting to a piece of canon information with proof to back it up. And then there is also the fact that some fans simply don't want to spent money on buying a book of which they didn't even like the summary. Just because someone refuses to waste money on something they don't like doesn't mean they aren't allowed to talk about it or express their perspective on it. For example, I haven't read the TBC arc (waiting for the cheaper paperback box next year) but still have collected enough information for myself (character profiles, quotes, scene/dialogue screenshots and so on) to speak on the arc's story development using canon source material even if it's just online for now. you don’t have to buy the book though, if you want I can link some pdfs?
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Post by Cloudstorm on Nov 13, 2021 12:45:50 GMT -5
yeah it’s really annoying. it’s also something that’s led to weird telephone games where facts end up getting distorted. also, it is literally impossible to get all the details from a summary. that’s why it’s a summary! I’ve found a few times that I dislike a book when reading a recap of what happens, but when I actually get around to reading it I enjoy it a lot! there’s more to books than just a vague summary of events. there are details and character moments that usually give the events more context and make them feel smoother and more thought out. As it was stated above by multiple people in this thread (including myself), people can at least form an initial opinion on a book if a summary or spoiler thread is posted (in the case of Spinestar's ALitM thread it even came with screenshots). That first response can change over time but there is nothing wrong with people reacting to a piece of canon information with proof to back it up. And then there is also the fact that some fans simply don't want to spent money on buying a book of which they didn't even like the summary. Just because someone refuses to waste money on something they don't like doesn't mean they aren't allowed to talk about it or express their perspective on it. For example, I haven't read the TBC arc (waiting for the cheaper paperback box next year) but still have collected enough information for myself (character profiles, quotes, scene/dialogue screenshots and so on) to speak on the arc's story development using canon source material even if it's just online for now. give me your mailing address , and I’ll gladly ship you my entire hardcover collection of TBC. J/K , there aren’t any libraries in your area you can loan the books from ? . I know the series has dwindled in popularity but all ones in my area still get copies of the new releases eventually
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Nov 13, 2021 12:46:47 GMT -5
As it was stated above by multiple people in this thread (including myself), people can at least form an initial opinion on a book if a summary or spoiler thread is posted (in the case of Spinestar's ALitM thread it even came with screenshots). That first response can change over time but there is nothing wrong with people reacting to a piece of canon information with proof to back it up. And then there is also the fact that some fans simply don't want to spent money on buying a book of which they didn't even like the summary. Just because someone refuses to waste money on something they don't like doesn't mean they aren't allowed to talk about it or express their perspective on it. For example, I haven't read the TBC arc (waiting for the cheaper paperback box next year) but still have collected enough information for myself (character profiles, quotes, scene/dialogue screenshots and so on) to speak on the arc's story development using canon source material even if it's just online for now. you don’t have to buy the book though, if you want I can link some pdfs? I want to buy them (just cheaper). Thank you kindly for the offer though but it would only get you into trouble on here (and elsewhere).
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Nov 13, 2021 12:52:41 GMT -5
As it was stated above by multiple people in this thread (including myself), people can at least form an initial opinion on a book if a summary or spoiler thread is posted (in the case of Spinestar's ALitM thread it even came with screenshots). That first response can change over time but there is nothing wrong with people reacting to a piece of canon information with proof to back it up. And then there is also the fact that some fans simply don't want to spent money on buying a book of which they didn't even like the summary. Just because someone refuses to waste money on something they don't like doesn't mean they aren't allowed to talk about it or express their perspective on it. For example, I haven't read the TBC arc (waiting for the cheaper paperback box next year) but still have collected enough information for myself (character profiles, quotes, scene/dialogue screenshots and so on) to speak on the arc's story development using canon source material even if it's just online for now. give me your mailing address , and I’ll gladly ship you my entire hardcover collection of TBC. J/K , there aren’t any libraries in your area you can loan the books from ? . I know the series has dwindled in popularity but all ones in my area still get copies of the new releases eventually Warrior Cats is still an extremely popular series here in Germany (and probably elsewhere). New readers discover these books every day. Although it's usually the original four arcs who get reprinted. I haven't gone to any libraries in such a long time and just prefer to buy them myself.
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