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Shrewclaw
Sept 1, 2016 0:29:36 GMT -5
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Post by Cloudshadow on Sept 1, 2016 0:29:36 GMT -5
So I've noticed quite a few people on here like him which actually surprises me. I'd like to get a discussion going as to why those people like him and see if there are any that, like me, do not.
So, what's your opinion?
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Sept 1, 2016 7:58:11 GMT -5
I'm not a Shrewclaw lover, so I can't really tell you. However, I think it may be because he became frenemies with Tallstar in the end.
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Post by tiger beetle on Sept 1, 2016 9:05:00 GMT -5
I don't like him
I think he would be redeemable, but all that he did to try to make up for it was say "oh yeah those (years-equivalent) of bullying? I was joking we're actually friends"
which is not taking any responsibility for having hurt Tallstar; he just tried to sweep all of it under the rug and deny it
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Shrewclaw
Sept 1, 2016 16:18:18 GMT -5
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Post by Cloudshadow on Sept 1, 2016 16:18:18 GMT -5
I don't like him I think he would be redeemable, but all that he did to try to make up for it was say "oh yeah those (years-equivalent) of bullying? I was joking we're actually friends" which is not taking any responsibility for having hurt Tallstar; he just tried to sweep all of it under the rug and deny it I agree with this. I felt like the Erins suddenly tried to force their rivalry into a friendship without actually doing it on page, they just chucked in a poor apology and said that'll do it. If I recall correctly, Tallstar still didn't seem all that forgiving or friendly either (sorry words are escaping me this morning. There's a words I'm searching for that I can't think of). I found Shrewclaw rather despicable and that his redemption in Tallstar's eyes was something that would have taken quite a bit of work, especially since this book showed Tallstar was a cat to hold grudges. |
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Shrewclaw
Sept 1, 2016 16:26:27 GMT -5
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Sept 1, 2016 16:26:27 GMT -5
I liked Shrewclaw because I found him to be interesting, nor did I find him annoying like some other bully characters (ex: Foxheart). I found it interesting how he didn't have any malicious intent and became frenemies with Tallstar in the end. I suspect growing up in an environment where the tunnelers and moor runners were at each other's throats didn't help much, either.
That said, I do wish his character was developed alot more before he died since I felt that his redemption was pretty rushed. Then again, while I did like TR, plenty of things in that book were rushed in general.
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Shrewclaw
Sept 1, 2016 16:30:46 GMT -5
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Post by Cloudshadow on Sept 1, 2016 16:30:46 GMT -5
๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต if he had no malicious intent then how would you explain his attacking Tallstar with claws during training as apprentices? That seems rather malicious to me, as well as his insistent name calling and negative comments.
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Shrewclaw
Sept 1, 2016 16:48:01 GMT -5
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Sept 1, 2016 16:48:01 GMT -5
๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต if he had no malicious intent then how would you explain his attacking Tallstar with claws during training as apprentices? That seems rather malicious to me, as well as his insistent name calling and negative comments. What I mean is that unlike some other bullies in this series, Shrewclaw himself didn't think he was doing anything wrong since according to him when Talltail was going to leave, he apologized and said that he was only teasing and is noted to be a little more friendly towards him when he comes back. That's what I meant. |
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Post by Cloudshadow on Sept 1, 2016 17:00:37 GMT -5
That is a fair point. And I forgot to acknowledge your previous point about the issues between the Tunnelers and Moor Runners. That most definitely played a part in his attitude towards Tallstar.
If what you say is true, then I find it worrying that Shrewclaw didn't see anything wrong with the way he treated Tallstar when it appeared quite obvious that he was negatively affecting his denmate. Perhaps it was because he wasn't told off for his behaviour very often?
One thing I recall is when Tallstar announced his leaving, Shrewclaw did seem to think it was his fault and that he likely didn't realise just how much his behaviour towards Tallstar may be affecting him.
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Shrewclaw
Sept 1, 2016 17:09:09 GMT -5
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Sept 1, 2016 17:09:09 GMT -5
That is a fair point. And I forgot to acknowledge your previous point about the issues between the Tunnelers and Moor Runners. That most definitely played a part in his attitude towards Tallstar. If what you say is true, then I find it worrying that Shrewclaw didn't see anything wrong with the way he treated Tallstar when it appeared quite obvious that he was negatively affecting his denmate. Perhaps it was because he wasn't told off for his behaviour very often? One thing I recall is when Tallstar announced his leaving, Shrewclaw did seem to think it was his fault and that he likely didn't realise just how much his behaviour towards Tallstar may be affecting him. Exactly! And Shrewclaw was actually told off, but like you said, it wasn't very often and it was only when he was taking things too far. Brackenwing's death clearly had a negative impact on him as well. |
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Post by Cloudshadow on Sept 1, 2016 17:16:41 GMT -5
Hmm, this has made me think about him more. While it does make him more interesting, I still can't really bring myself to move him out of dislike because, while he may not have understood the extent to which his actions affected others, his general behaviour hints at a not so nice character, and I tend to rank characters based on my feelings towards them rather than my analysis of their complexity and interesting-ness.
But thank you for your input!
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