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Post by 𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥 on Nov 10, 2021 8:40:10 GMT -5
Mapleshade is my favorite
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2021 8:57:21 GMT -5
ashfur. there’s a reason the fire scene is one of the most popular scenes in the series, ashfur’s the most personal of the villains. it’s refreshing to have a villain that diverts from the usual ‘ambitious evil dude who wants to take over the clans’. ashfur’s main goal is to hurt and control squirrelflight, which makes him a much more personal (and terrifying) villain. plus, he’s managed to convince himself that he’s in the right (he is not). ashfur is a villain that I can 100% believe exists, because I’ve met people like him before and even been in squirrelflight’s position.
he’s a big part of why the broken code works for me, and I really hope we get more villains on that same level of quality down the line.
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Spinestar
Got The Ashfur Tattoo!
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Post by Spinestar on Nov 10, 2021 9:04:05 GMT -5
ashfur. there’s a reason the fire scene is one of the most popular scenes in the series, ashfur’s the most personal of the villains. it’s refreshing to have a villain that diverts from the usual ‘ambitious evil dude who wants to take over the clans’. ashfur’s main goal is to hurt and control squirrelflight, which makes him a much more personal (and terrifying) villain. plus, he’s managed to convince himself that he’s in the right (he is not). ashfur is a villain that I can 100% believe exists, because I’ve met people like him before and even been in squirrelflight’s position. he’s a big part of why the broken code works for me, and I really hope we get more villains on that same level of quality down the line. Same!
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Nov 10, 2021 9:44:43 GMT -5
My favorite would be Clear Sky, followed by Scourge.
Also, you could add Sol and Darkstripe to the poll.
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Nov 10, 2021 10:10:02 GMT -5
Before it was Darktail
...But I'm going to have to say Ashfur now
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Heterosexual
Spinestar
Got The Ashfur Tattoo!
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Post by Spinestar on Nov 10, 2021 10:14:02 GMT -5
Before it was Darktail ...But I'm going to have to say Ashfur now New poll plz recite
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Got The Ashfur Tattoo!
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Post by Spinestar on Nov 10, 2021 10:14:24 GMT -5
My favorite would be Clear Sky, followed by Scourge. Also, you could add Sol and Darkstripe to the poll. New poll plz revote
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Got The Ashfur Tattoo!
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Post by Spinestar on Nov 10, 2021 10:16:28 GMT -5
My favorite would be Clear Sky, followed by Scourge. Also, you could add Sol and Darkstripe to the poll. Done! I personally see Darkstripe as a sidekick tho, not a villain
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 10, 2021 11:15:49 GMT -5
Fav to Least:
Mapleshade: I liked her first appearance in CsP, it was quite iconic. And her involvement in the DF was also entertaining. It's nice to see that she's still kicking and still very feared with how brutal her personality is.
Ashfur: I liked him a lot, even before he became a villain, seeing his descent into madness, and then becoming the villain he is in TBC made him all the more entertaining.
Hawkfrost: I thought his personality was very amusing, suave and manipulative, but his character definitely shines more in OotS as one of the more prominent members of the DF and Ivypool's mentor.
Darktail: I found his brutal and twisted mindset about "kin" and "trust" to be pretty cool to read about. His backstory could be better, but he does deliver on the risk and danger factors when facing him.
Tigerstar: He's like a classic villain, does his role well, gets the job done. I think in the fandom he is a bit misunderstood characterization-wise, but that's a story for another day.
Sol: I'm not the biggest fan of Sol personally, and I think his motives are honestly quite silly. But, I will give him credit where it's due, he's very charmingly manipulative, and has caused quite some stir in the clans at least.
Clear Sky: I liked him better as a villain, the first few books of DotC were very entertaining with Clear Sky as a villain. However, he definitely went downhill for me personally through his attempted "redemptions", not a fan.
Thistleclaw: He's not necessarily a villain in BP, he's more of an antagonist, but as a DF cat there's not much to say about him. I personally found him more interesting when he was an antagonist to Bluestar in BP tbh. We don't talk about SpH.
One Eye: He was brutal, and in my opinion, the "better Brokenstar" tbh, because he was written with motive, and intimidation, and not just some brainless power-hungry clan cat.
Sleekwhisker: She's just better Darkstripe, she's just not spineless. She's horrible and very easy to hate, but she actually has numbers under her belt, and no one is safe around her; not friends, family, or even children.
Dakrstripe: Although entertaining, he was mostly all bark, not much bite. He got bodied easily, but he has done some henious things. On his own, there's not much to say.
Scourge: Never understood the hype about him. I honestly wish that he was utilized better, but tbh to me he felt like an unnecessary addition to the original series. As a villain, he was "okay".
Brokenstar: He's supposed to be all big and bad, and that's nice and all, but he was just...boring. If I'm being blunt, he was easily outshined by Tigerstar as a villain in the original series, and then again by Hawkfrost in OotS.
Slash: Hands down the worst villain. If Tigerstar is an enjoyable classic villain, then Slash is the wannabe frat boy villain that tries to act like he's hot crap but can't amount to anything. He was very cringe-worthy to read about.
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Spinestar
Got The Ashfur Tattoo!
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Post by Spinestar on Nov 10, 2021 11:17:30 GMT -5
Fav to Least: Mapleshade: I liked her first appearance in CsP, it was quite iconic. And her involvement in the DF was also entertaining. It's nice to see that she's still kicking and still very feared with how brutal her personality is. Ashfur: I liked him a lot, even before he became a villain, seeing his descent into madness, and then becoming the villain he is in TBC made him all the more entertaining. Hawkfrost: I thought his personality was very amusing, suave and manipulative, but his character definitely shines more in OotS as one of the more prominent members of the DF and Ivypool's mentor. Darktail: I found his brutal and twisted mindset about "kin" and "trust" to be pretty cool to read about. His backstory could be better, but he does deliver on the risk and danger factors when facing him. Tigerstar: He's like a classic villain, does his role well, gets the job done. I think in the fandom he is a bit misunderstood characterization-wise, but that's a story for another day. Sol: I'm not the biggest fan of Sol personally, and I think his motives are honestly quite silly. But, I will give him credit where it's due, he's very charmingly manipulative, and has caused quite some stir in the clans at least. Clear Sky: I liked him better as a villain, the first few books of DotC were very entertaining with Clear Sky as a villain. However, he definitely went downhill for me personally through his attempted "redemptions", not a fan. Thistleclaw: He's not necessarily a villain in BP, he's more of an antagonist, but as a DF cat there's not much to say about him. I personally found him more interesting when he was an antagonist to Bluestar in BP tbh. We don't talk about SpH. One Eye: He was brutal, and in my opinion, the "better Brokenstar" tbh, because he was written with motive, and intimidation, and not just some brainless power-hungry clan cat. Sleekwhisker: She's just better Darkstripe, she's just not spineless. She's horrible and very easy to hate, but she actually has numbers under her belt, and no one is safe around her; not friends, family, or even children. Dakrstripe: Although entertaining, he was mostly all bark, not much bite. He got bodied easily, but he has done some henious things. On his own, there's not much to say. Scourge: Never understood the hype about him. I honestly wish that he was utilized better, but tbh to me he felt like an unnecessary addition to the original series. As a villain, he was "okay". Brokenstar: He's supposed to be all big and bad, and that's nice and all, but he was just...boring. If I'm being blunt, he was easily outshined by Tigerstar as a villain in the original series, and then again by Hawkfrost in OotS. Slash: Hands down the worst villain. If Tigerstar is an enjoyable classic villain, then Slash is the wannabe frat boy villain that tries to act like he's hot crap but can't amount to anything. He was very cringe-worthy to read about.Ikr! They didn’t even finish his story, never being defeated or anything.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 10, 2021 11:36:57 GMT -5
Fav to Least:
Mapleshade: I liked her first appearance in CsP, it was quite iconic. And her involvement in the DF was also entertaining. It's nice to see that she's still kicking and still very feared with how brutal her personality is.
Ashfur: I liked him a lot, even before he became a villain, seeing his descent into madness, and then becoming the villain he is in TBC made him all the more entertaining.
Hawkfrost: I thought his personality was very amusing, suave and manipulative, but his character definitely shines more in OotS as one of the more prominent members of the DF and Ivypool's mentor.
Darktail: I found his brutal and twisted mindset about "kin" and "trust" to be pretty cool to read about. His backstory could be better, but he does deliver on the risk and danger factors when facing him.
Tigerstar: He's like a classic villain, does his role well, gets the job done. I think in the fandom he is a bit misunderstood characterization-wise, but that's a story for another day.
Sol: I'm not the biggest fan of Sol personally, and I think his motives are honestly quite silly. But, I will give him credit where it's due, he's very charmingly manipulative, and has caused quite some stir in the clans at least.
Clear Sky: I liked him better as a villain, the first few books of DotC were very entertaining with Clear Sky as a villain. However, he definitely went downhill for me personally through his attempted "redemptions", not a fan.
Thistleclaw: He's not necessarily a villain in BP, he's more of an antagonist, but as a DF cat there's not much to say about him. I personally found him more interesting when he was an antagonist to Bluestar in BP tbh. We don't talk about SpH.
One Eye: He was brutal, and in my opinion, the "better Brokenstar" tbh, because he was written with motive, and intimidation, and not just some brainless power-hungry clan cat.
Sleekwhisker: She's just better Darkstripe, she's just not spineless. She's horrible and very easy to hate, but she actually has numbers under her belt, and no one is safe around her; not friends, family, or even children.
Dakrstripe: Although entertaining, he was mostly all bark, not much bite. He got bodied easily, but he has done some henious things. On his own, there's not much to say.
Scourge: Never understood the hype about him. I honestly wish that he was utilized better, but tbh to me he felt like an unnecessary addition to the original series. As a villain, he was "okay".
Brokenstar: He's supposed to be all big and bad, and that's nice and all, but he was just...boring. If I'm being blunt, he was easily outshined by Tigerstar as a villain in the original series, and then again by Hawkfrost in OotS. Slash: Hands down the worst villain. If Tigerstar is an enjoyable classic villain, then Slash is the wannabe frat boy villain that tries to act like he's hot crap but can't amount to anything. He was very cringe-worthy to read about.Ikr! They didn’t even finish his story, never being defeated or anything. Like I can't even say he had potential to be a good villain?? Snake had better potential and motive to be the new main villain over Slash??? Lmao, I couldn't take Slash seriously at all, and his story was just so trashy, I don't know what they were even trying to do with him, he felt like a waste of pages.
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Post by vectoring34 on Nov 10, 2021 11:51:58 GMT -5
S tier: Ashfur is great villain, one who is totally operating on a different, scary kind of logic compared to everyone else and with the darkest atmosphere surrounding him and his plots. He's also a long-running one too, different from most. Gotta love this guy thinking he's the hero the whole time.
Gotta also put Scourge up here. Yes, his introduction was a bit rushed, but he fits the thematic scale of Tigerstar messing with forces he can't control until they blow up in his face. What's more, he's unique, not being excessively violent or ambitious like most villains. Instead, he has a sense of brutal honor. He's also just got a cool design and gimmick, and his backstory is pretty good. He's someone who became his own mask.
A tier: Tigerstar, can never go wrong with a classic villain. A bit generic but generic done well. His devolution from someone focused on conquering the clans to just wanting a personal duel with Tigerstar keeps him dynamic even after death.
Darktail is great while he's alive. Guy's the embodiment of a charismatic thug with the way he lines up his followers and dominates them. His biggest problem is the way he went out is super lame. Just getting offscreen killed by Onestar? I legitimately thought it was a fake out death due to how underwhelming it is.
B tier: Thistleclaw and Mapleshade belong here, as characters who were VERY compelling in one book (BP, MV) and then spend the rest of their time doing nothing but snarling and growling as DF background characters. I do like the family dynamic with Thistleclaw and Mapleshade's, well, revenge, so you just wish they were characterized better in their other appearances.
Sol was great in Power of Three as a mysterious, spooky seer who always had everything under control. He was okay in OOTS as a lesser version of his PoT self. His backstory was absolutely awful though, and holds him back a lot.
Darkstripe is uninspired at times but a good lackey character. He's solid and consistent with a hint of spice from his real devotion to Tigerstar.
C tier: Sleekwhisker is just Darkstripe but lamer, not offensive but not good either.
D tier: Brokenstar is only good in one book, YS, but unlike the other "good in one book" characters, he's not just a background character in other books, he's supposed to be the main villain. And he fails utterly at this, just being pathetic and unintimidating overall with how his mommy takes him out three times.
F tier: Hawkfrost is devoid of personality or charisma, he's an example of the authors basically ripping off one of their own characters as being a lesser Tigerstar. He has ONE good moment when he's manipulating Ivypool, but everything besides that is so bland and forgettable
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Taking a break from the forums because my cat died. Will probably be back mid to late October.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Nov 10, 2021 11:52:58 GMT -5
Tigerstar (I) will always be my favorite due to being such a classic villain.
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Post by Ivyfalcon on Nov 10, 2021 17:55:30 GMT -5
1. Mapleshade (mainly for CP) 2. Tigerstar 3. Scourge 4. Darktail 5. Clear Sky 6. Hawkfrost 7. Sol 8. One Eye 9. Ashfur (mainly for PoT) 10. Sleekwhisker 11. Brokenstar 12. Darkstripe 13. Thistleclaw 14. Slash
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Post by vectoring34 on Nov 11, 2021 11:17:31 GMT -5
Surprised by the high vote count for Mapleshade, I thought she was unpopular as both a cat and villain outside of CP Someone unpopular doesn't get THAT much fan content created about her. I don't know either if people like her for her role in CP, try and count how many works care about that vs her role in MV. Mapleshade just seems more unpopular than she really is due to hype backlash
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Post by MadameDelune on Nov 11, 2021 20:50:31 GMT -5
Gonna have to give it to my man Thistleclaw.
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Spinestar
Got The Ashfur Tattoo!
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Post by Spinestar on Nov 11, 2021 21:09:14 GMT -5
Gonna have to give it to my man Thistleclaw. If you don’t mind me asking, why Thistleclaw?
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Nov 11, 2021 23:20:15 GMT -5
Ashfur. Because he's a very realistic villain. The whole 'If I can't have you, no one can' is unfortunately not uncommon in abusive relationships - and that's the basis of his villainhood. And like, he doesn't care what he loses on his way there. He's completely unhinged, which makes him terrifying.
A lot of our villains have been more calculated and cats that are very precise in their movements. Ashfur slowly devolves into insanity as he realizes nothing he does can force Squirrelflight to love him
He's intense. And scary. And I love it.
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Don’t let it kill you. Even when it hurts like hell.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Nov 12, 2021 0:50:12 GMT -5
1. Mapleshade. her novella has to be my favorite, reading from the PoV of a twisted, deranged, bloodthirsty mother turned serial killer because of her grievance over the loss of her kits, albeit it was partly her fault for leading them across the river and she wasn't thinking clearly, it's still a very personable and realistic reaction that sometimes happens when a mother loses their children. and her introspectively rationalizing, and justifying her actions while she exacts her very calculated, and precisely laid out plans to murder everyone she presumes is responsible for her kit's deaths, is hauntingly close to similar criminal cases IRL. and her manipulation of Crookedstar in his SE gives me goosebumps with every reread. her character is truly a delicious, bittersweet, bone-chilling, thrilling joy ride to read about in every book Shes been an inclusion.
2. Tigerstar 1. The classic, original villain that honestly is the quintessential foundation that without, this series would have stopped a long time ago. ambitious and power thirsty, and perfectly embodies the role as a tyrannical dictator. his heinous crimes and legacy will endure for as long as this series continues and beyond.
3. Hawkfrost. suave, manipulative and a total smooth-talker, practically Tigerstar 1's protege that fully intended to become his successor and resume all plans of merging the clans into 2 under the reign of an iron fist. and the bittersweet retribution of him being stopped by his own brother makes him that much more memorable. And seriously when's the last time we have had 2 siblings have to duel it out to the death for the greater good in this series?". then his character returning for an encore in Omen of the Stars and being given a much more prominent role in the dark forest, and also being Ivypools mentor is largely a contributing factor that I was even able to make it through the series all those years ago in the first place.
4. Darktail. he's the epitome of a Satanical cult leader. His twisted, incongruous ideology of 'Kin'. his manipulative, sardonic and sinuous nature, along with his tendency to drown those he deems untrustworthy or errant in their ways is very akin to a cult leader sacrificing their followers as means of redemption for their transgressions. very dark, and sinister and very spine-tingling to read about, a total suspense/horror-seekers delight. he seriously needs a backstory, and the final conflict in Shattered sky was pretty underwhelming, otherwise he'd be higher up on my list, but still a solid villain.
5. Clear sky. I find him enjoyable as a villain so far, and suspense and tension from his rivalry with Gray Wing is quite entertaining, haven't read far enough yet to reach his redemption moments so can't critique him on that.
6. Sol. personally, not very enthusiastic about him, his motives are pretty eye-rolling imo , and he's a coward. though he has at least the credibility of being a manipulative, snake-tongued smooth-talker and has stirred up a decent amount of drama and was the cause of the Epic fight that occurred in Eclipse.
7. Scourge. While personally, I don't really understand all the hype surrounding him these days, never will. he's still does a decent job in the manner he was utilized, and I still thoroughly enjoy the plot twist of Firestar not being the one to kill Tigerstar. definitely wasn't expecting that.
8. Brokenstar. while he's pretty boring and his motivations aren't incredibly complex of driven, his horrific feats while he was a villain are pretty ghastly
9. Ashfur. His personality, and the psychological and Behavioral patterns of his character prior to his descent into madness is quite frankly very uncharacteristic, and not befitting to the character type their attempting to depict with him. he was never characterized as a sleazy, sordid, possessive, vindictive creepy stalker/sexual predator beforehand which is usually present from a young age in psychopaths, sociopathic narcissist's, perversive predators etc. I've read quite a few Criminal/suspense Novels and many of damn good Fanfiction with Ashfurs type being the main villain, and I'm also quite fond of criminal documentary series. and their always much more calculated, precise and secretive and meticulously careful with their actions to avoid suspicion, and are far more deceitful and guiling to avoid alerting their quarry. While I guess I can find his actions at the fire scene believable from being stricken with Grief from rejection, and him wanting Squirrelflight to Feel the same burning pain she caused him. but him descending into a tremendous degree of insanity, and becoming so hellbent on making Squirrelflight love him that he'll abolish both spiritual realms and the living clans, because of his twisted perception of everyone somehow being responsible for his suffering without any elucidation or clarification of how he came to this conclusion, makes him a very incomplete villain package imo. That along with his very flippant and deranged, sporadic behavior and not being very tactful, and combined with all the inconsistency, plotholes and just general lack of any backstory or elaboration on how he became so unhinged, and powerful to begin with is just too jarring and wrecks my immersion and ability to see him as a terrifying, personable villain like intended. while in still find him entertaining in a more comical fashion, and have laughed plenty of time reading through TBC. The poor writing and all the other problems plaguing his villain arc and development, just makes it impossible to solidify himself as a reputable villain in my book.
Note: Part of the problem with his story is probably greatly attributed to this being a children's series. and it being extremely difficult to nearly impossible to depict and fully characterize that type of heinous, sinister, reproachable villain and be poignant, influential and make a concrete, desired impact without venturing into R/Mature rated territory. which maybe they should have gone a different route with TBC since age constraints would obviously prevent them from properly illustrating such a dark malignant, visceral character.
9. Thistleclaw. hardly would consider him much of a villain in Bluestars prophecy. and his feats are barely worth recognition in OoTS or TBC.
10. Sleekwhisker. She's darkstripe just much more coldhearted, and not a fainthearted coward either, and has no qualms slaughtering friends, family, children you name it to satisfy her....... ummm motivations though not quite sure what they are.
11. Darkstripe . more of an acoomplice then a standalone villain, he's too much of a coward to start any trouble himself, though he has a few heinous acts scratched on his record.
12&13. Slash and One Eye. no opinion on them, haven't read their stories yet.
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