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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 5, 2021 14:07:18 GMT -5
everyone knows i hate dovewing and bristlefrost, so just keep that in mind with this post because it's full of my opinionated and biased views lol bristlefrost starts her arc boy obsessed (stemleaf) and ends it boy obsessed (thinking about rootspring when she's dying over thinking about her clan or her family...how selfish of her)
dovewing starts her arc focused on her powers, but spends the rest of it boy obsessed (bumble and tiger drama).
but u know what's the funniest thing about all this? bristlefrost was more useful and relevant to the plot than dovewing was in OotS...do with this statement what you will.
idk how bristlefrost has any genuine fans. her arc is just as boy obsessed as dovewing's, the only difference is, bristlefrost actually does stuff other than her boy obsession (bristle's interactions with the imposter as acting deputy that one time, and going into the dark forest at the end, etc.).
so if people give dovewing crap for her selfishness and boy obsession, then why don't more people give bristlefrost crap for the exact same things? she spends her last dying thoughts on some random boy she hasn't known for that long instead of her clan's future or her family...both she-cats are incredibly selfish, and yet it feels like im the only one bringing up how crap bristlefrost was.
in conclusion, bristlefrost is just as awful as dovewing, and just because bristlefrost did more in her arc's plot by comparison, doesn't excuse the core of her character.
like i said, bristle begins TBC boy obsessed and ends it boy obsessed, which makes her an awful character at her core.
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Post by Malefiz on Nov 5, 2021 14:26:00 GMT -5
everyone knows i hate dovewing and bristlefrost, so just keep that in mind with this post because it's full of my opinionated and biased views lol bristlefrost starts her arc boy obsessed (stemleaf) and ends it boy obsessed (thinking about rootspring when she's dying over thinking about her clan or her family...how selfish of her)
dovewing starts her arc focused on her powers, but spends the rest of it boy obsessed (bumble and tiger drama).
but u know what's the funniest thing about all this? bristlefrost was more useful and relevant to the plot than dovewing was in OotS...do with this statement what you will.
idk how bristlefrost has any genuine fans. her arc is just as boy obsessed as dovewing's, the only difference is, bristlefrost actually does stuff other than her boy obsession (bristle's interactions with the imposter as acting deputy that one time, and going into the dark forest at the end, etc.).
so if people give dovewing crap for her selfishness and boy obsession, then why don't more people give bristlefrost crap for the exact same things? she spends her last dying thoughts on some random boy she hasn't known for that long instead of her clan's future or her family...both she-cats are incredibly selfish, and yet it feels like im the only one bringing up how crap bristlefrost was.
in conclusion, bristlefrost is just as awful as dovewing, and just because bristlefrost did more in her arc's plot by comparison, doesn't excuse the core of her character.
like i said, bristle begins TBC boy obsessed and ends it boy obsessed, which makes her an awful character at her core. Wait, wait, wait. One thing i dont understand is, how is it selfish of her thinking about her clan, family and Rootspring. She first thought about that she saved her clan/all the clans (she wished to save her clan ever since she was a tiny kit) and then is sad that Rootspring will grief over her. Well, i dont know if she though about her family, but I think she was sad too, knowing that they will grief over her too. And Im not saying this to defend my fav character. Just was confused.
I think i misunderstood the first setence a bit. You ment she thought more about Rootspring than her clan/family?
She basically sacrificed herself and her place in StarClan for all the clans, her cousin, her family and Rootspring
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Post by kitters on Nov 5, 2021 14:34:09 GMT -5
She's in love with Rootspring. how is it selfish in any way that she think of the cat she's in love with while she's literally dying sacrificing her life for her clan and family.
edit im not trying to be mean or anything im genuinely like. huh
edit edit I'm re-reading your post I think you seem to be mostly upset about the quality of writing in Bristlefrost's arc which, yeah, same. but I wouldn't fault the character for that, thats really on the writers and editors
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Nov 5, 2021 14:38:30 GMT -5
Idk about the stuff in AlitM, but I mostly enjoy her character because she's brave and has a desire to be a good warrior that gets manipulated. She's loyal to her clan despite her own desire's, and genuinely just wants to help her clan get better after all the trouble the impostor caused on the clans.
1. Spotfur. Bristlefrost see's that her friend is in severe distress over having kits without her mate. Bristlefrost offers to help raise them.
2. She has a desire to stay and help her clan, even if things would be much better for her in Skyclan. She wants to be with rootspring, but she isn't going to just leave Thunderclan in shambles. That makes her very loyal.
3. Good story and has a desire to do good. Bristlefrost being manipulated by the impostor and then finds out the impostor is fake and starts working against him was pretty fun to read. It's like ivypool, but she's actually a spy. Plus that was VERY brave of her to do, because the impostor could very easily find a way to kill her if he found out.
Though I do understand your frustration with her constantly thinking about Rootspring, especially in TPoNS it can get annoying. And bristlefrost is far from a perfect character, but she's loyal and brave so that's probably why people like her more than dovewing.
(And with the dovewing thing, I always thought it symbolized her own desires (Tigerheart) with what society wants her to want (Bumblestripe) But it can be interpreted in many ways)
Anyway, hope she's cool in ALiTM
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 5, 2021 14:54:37 GMT -5
She's in love with Rootspring. how is it selfish in any way that she think of the cat she's in love with while she's literally dying sacrificing her life for her clan and family.
edit im not trying to be mean or anything im genuinely like. huh
edit edit I'm re-reading your post I think you seem to be mostly upset about the quality of writing in Bristlefrost's arc which, yeah, same. but I wouldn't fault the character for that, thats really on the writers and editors forbidden romance is ALWAYS selfish. her last thoughts were literally of what she could have had with rootspring. she didnt really think about her clan or her family.
and yeah, most of my hatred for bristle does come from how horribly TBC is written as a whole. especially character. bristle is such a horribly written character to me.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 5, 2021 14:57:58 GMT -5
Dovewing and Bristlefrost aren't anything alike. I don't know why people keep comparing these two. Even their romantic situations are handled differently. I don't know much about RootxBristle, but apparently Rootspring was going to switch clans for Bristlefrost? whereas with Dovewing, it took her moons to figure out if she wanted to leave ThunderClan for Tigerheart. Nobody was willing to leave their clans for one another until Dovewing had kits, and she really didn't have a choice then because she didn't want to separate her family. Their personalities aren't even the same. Bristlefrost is stubborn and prideful, but she's dedicated to her clan. She can be impatient at times (when Rootspring tried to give her prey or if Clanmates disrespects those she loves) Dovewing is kind and patient but lacks communication and common sense. Also she's uh, not the best at being honest with her feelings lol, whereas Bristlefrost knows herself and her own feelings well. But anyway, it baffles me that people compare these two, cause they aren't anything alike. Their romantic situations aren't even the same. I never understood why people compare them, but that's just me and everyone's entitled to their own opinions. I respect yours, I'm just saying I don't think they're anything alike just because they're padding after a bunch of boys. it's because both characters in their arcs were written around love interests. it doesnt matter to me that dove's was strectched out longer, the point is, both characters still spent their arcs worrying about that instead of the plot. even though bristle contributes to the plot more than dovewing did like i said. but yeah we can agree to disagree, i just don't like how people aren't quick to call out bristle and the bad writing now that TBC is over.
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Post by kitters on Nov 5, 2021 15:04:55 GMT -5
She's in love with Rootspring. how is it selfish in any way that she think of the cat she's in love with while she's literally dying sacrificing her life for her clan and family.
edit im not trying to be mean or anything im genuinely like. huh
edit edit I'm re-reading your post I think you seem to be mostly upset about the quality of writing in Bristlefrost's arc which, yeah, same. but I wouldn't fault the character for that, thats really on the writers and editors forbidden romance is ALWAYS selfish. her last thoughts were literally of what she could have had with rootspring. she didnt really think about her clan or her family.
and yeah, most of my hatred for bristle does come from how horribly TBC is written as a whole. especially character. bristle is such a horribly written character to me. ehhh. I think you can't help who you fall in love with, so it's not necessarily selfish in my opinion. but thats me
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Post by Aqua on Nov 5, 2021 15:06:26 GMT -5
Dovewing and Bristlefrost aren't anything alike. I don't know why people keep comparing these two. Even their romantic situations are handled differently. I don't know much about RootxBristle, but apparently Rootspring was going to switch clans for Bristlefrost? whereas with Dovewing, it took her moons to figure out if she wanted to leave ThunderClan for Tigerheart. Nobody was willing to leave their clans for one another until Dovewing had kits, and she really didn't have a choice then because she didn't want to separate her family. Their personalities aren't even the same. Bristlefrost is stubborn and prideful, but she's dedicated to her clan. She can be impatient at times (when Rootspring tried to give her prey or if Clanmates disrespects those she loves) Dovewing is kind and patient but lacks communication and common sense. Also she's uh, not the best at being honest with her feelings lol, whereas Bristlefrost knows herself and her own feelings well. But anyway, it baffles me that people compare these two, cause they aren't anything alike. Their romantic situations aren't even the same. I never understood why people compare them, but that's just me and everyone's entitled to their own opinions. I respect yours, I'm just saying I don't think they're anything alike just because they're padding after a bunch of boys. it's because both characters in their arcs were written around love interests. it doesnt matter to me that dove's was strectched out longer, the point is, both characters still spent their arcs worrying about that instead of the plot. even though bristle contributes to the plot more than dovewing did like i said. but yeah we can agree to disagree, i just don't like how people aren't quick to call out bristle and the bad writing now that TBC is over. lmfao guess I deleted this too late, oh well.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 5, 2021 15:06:36 GMT -5
forbidden romance is ALWAYS selfish. her last thoughts were literally of what she could have had with rootspring. she didnt really think about her clan or her family.
and yeah, most of my hatred for bristle does come from how horribly TBC is written as a whole. especially character. bristle is such a horribly written character to me. ehhh. I think you can't help who you fall in love with, so it's not necessarily selfish in my opinion. but thats me agree to disagree then, i just wanted to vent about TBC related topics because the arc ended and im salty lol i've hated TBC from the beginning
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Post by Malefiz on Nov 5, 2021 15:09:00 GMT -5
Dovewing and Bristlefrost aren't anything alike. I don't know why people keep comparing these two. Even their romantic situations are handled differently. I don't know much about RootxBristle, but apparently Rootspring was going to switch clans for Bristlefrost? whereas with Dovewing, it took her moons to figure out if she wanted to leave ThunderClan for Tigerheart. Nobody was willing to leave their clans for one another until Dovewing had kits, and she really didn't have a choice then because she didn't want to separate her family. Their personalities aren't even the same. Bristlefrost is stubborn and prideful, but she's dedicated to her clan. She can be impatient at times (when Rootspring tried to give her prey or if Clanmates disrespects those she loves) Dovewing is kind and patient but lacks communication and common sense. Also she's uh, not the best at being honest with her feelings lol, whereas Bristlefrost knows herself and her own feelings well. But anyway, it baffles me that people compare these two, cause they aren't anything alike. Their romantic situations aren't even the same. I never understood why people compare them, but that's just me and everyone's entitled to their own opinions. I respect yours, I'm just saying I don't think they're anything alike just because they're padding after a bunch of boys. it's because both characters in their arcs were written around love interests. it doesnt matter to me that dove's was strectched out longer, the point is, both characters still spent their arcs worrying about that instead of the plot. even though bristle contributes to the plot more than dovewing did like i said. but yeah we can agree to disagree, i just don't like how people aren't quick to call out bristle and the bad writing now that TBC is over. One thing i can definately agree on, was that in TPONS she was ONLY thinking about Rootspring annoying me like crazy while beeing a camera (which isnt really her fault beeing only a camera). When she was apprentice (Lost Stars) her personality was probably the best. (dont know if Lost Stars or ALITM personality was better though)
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Post by 𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥 on Nov 5, 2021 15:44:20 GMT -5
Disagree I guess. I like them, especially Dovewing, and I think their arcs are pretty well-written. Dovewing is very interesting as a character, and Briss had some amazing character moments. I don't have any problem with the writing about Dovewing's story, and even though I thought Bristlefrost's wasn't the best, I didn't dislike it. And anyone, please don't start a discussion, I don't want to be involved in any drama tonight.
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