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Post by halogen on Nov 3, 2021 21:03:04 GMT -5
Was Bristlefrost always intended to die (from when TBC first started being written)? I know Gray Wing was intended to die way earlier than he did and the death got moved up to the end of the series, and I'm wondering what exactly was the case for Bristlefrost and how late in the game they decided on this.
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Post by kells on Nov 3, 2021 21:25:55 GMT -5
Don't think so. The narrative really hammed it in our faces that they were going to probably change the code on forbidden romances, or at least show a good example of handling them and it looks like all hopes of that got flushed down the toilet.
Bristlefrost's death doesn't help much for the plot either, especially with ancients/beloved characters like Bramble and Squirrel walking around and overall being more relevant to the plot.
Since the topic's brought up, I'm pretty peeved that Bristlefrost died to save Shadowsight. This is the third character to die for this cat, now. I really had my fingers crossed that the writers would let Shadowsight fend himself off instead of being a damsel in distress his entire life.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 3, 2021 21:34:39 GMT -5
Since the topic's brought up, I'm pretty peeved that Bristlefrost died to save Shadowsight. This is the third character to die for this cat, now. I really had my fingers crossed that the writers would let Shadowsight fend himself off instead of being a damsel in distress his entire life. Same, I'm honestly so frustrated at this. Shadowsight had way more near death experiences than any of the protagonist, and now has gotten three cats killed. It's annoying to see him constantly get bailed out by either plot armor, or at the cost of another character's life. And honestly Bristlefrost's death was the last straw for me. I know she did it to not only save Shadowsight but also all of the clans, but it still peeves me off.
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Post by halogen on Nov 3, 2021 22:01:55 GMT -5
Since the topic's brought up, I'm pretty peeved that Bristlefrost died to save Shadowsight. This is the third character to die for this cat, now. I really had my fingers crossed that the writers would let Shadowsight fend himself off instead of being a damsel in distress his entire life. Same, I'm honestly so frustrated at this. Shadowsight had way more near death experiences than any of the protagonist, and now has gotten three cats killed. It's annoying to see him constantly get bailed out by either plot armor, or at the cost of another character's life. And honestly Bristlefrost's death was the last straw for me. I know she did it to not only save Shadowsight but also all of the clans, but it still peeves me off. Who was the third cat? I know about Juniperclaw and Bristlefrost. Spiresight died to save Pouncekit but later on they mistakenly said it was to save Shadowsight.
Though since they established earlier that ShadowClan medicine cat apprentices get some fighting training, I wish they had given Shadowsight some so he could be of use in the battles rather than an endless cycle of getting beaten up and almost dying.
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Post by kells on Nov 3, 2021 22:55:59 GMT -5
Same, I'm honestly so frustrated at this. Shadowsight had way more near death experiences than any of the protagonist, and now has gotten three cats killed. It's annoying to see him constantly get bailed out by either plot armor, or at the cost of another character's life. And honestly Bristlefrost's death was the last straw for me. I know she did it to not only save Shadowsight but also all of the clans, but it still peeves me off. Who was the third cat? I know about Juniperclaw and Bristlefrost. Spiresight died to save Pouncekit but later on they mistakenly said it was to save Shadowsight.
Though since they established earlier that ShadowClan medicine cat apprentices get some fighting training, I wish they had given Shadowsight some so he could be of use in the battles rather than an endless cycle of getting beaten up and almost dying. That's my mistake, I keep forgetting that the kit he saved was Pouncekit, not Shadowkit lol
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Post by dreamingof on Nov 4, 2021 6:08:31 GMT -5
I think so and I believe this is the reason she stops having an arc of personal growth after being a spy and instead focuses on her love for Rootspring. They had to rush in the romance by book three to make sure it was set up for the second half of the arc. I think the fact that she was introduced saving someone from drowning and that she died drowning someone isn't a coincidence.
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Post by Malefiz on Nov 4, 2021 6:41:20 GMT -5
I think so and I believe this is the reason she stops having an arc of personal growth after being a spy and instead focuses on her love for Rootspring. They had to rush in the romance by book three to make sure it was set up for the second half of the arc. I think the fact that she was introduced saving someone from drowning and that she died drowning someone isn't a coincidence. true, we got to know her as the one who saved Rootspring from drowning and survived, and then we get to remember her as the one drowning Ashfur and died. Why are always the cats that drown the villain dying? Onestar died too, while trying to drown Darktail. Or Needletail. (I think she tried drowning Darktail)
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 4, 2021 6:50:39 GMT -5
Same, I'm honestly so frustrated at this. Shadowsight had way more near death experiences than any of the protagonist, and now has gotten three cats killed. It's annoying to see him constantly get bailed out by either plot armor, or at the cost of another character's life. And honestly Bristlefrost's death was the last straw for me. I know she did it to not only save Shadowsight but also all of the clans, but it still peeves me off. Who was the third cat? I know about Juniperclaw and Bristlefrost. Spiresight died to save Pouncekit but later on they mistakenly said it was to save Shadowsight.
Though since they established earlier that ShadowClan medicine cat apprentices get some fighting training, I wish they had given Shadowsight some so he could be of use in the battles rather than an endless cycle of getting beaten up and almost dying. Bramblestar. Because he was naive enough to listen to Ashfur, Bramblestar was killed and Ashfur was able to enter his body. And even then, later on he let Ashfur escaped, so any cats that suffer afterward was indirectly his fault as well. The only thing I can say about Bramble's death and the Ashfur fiasco is that he at least tried to own up to it.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Nov 4, 2021 18:33:05 GMT -5
I don't think so because for the last three books it truly looked like that the authors were going to keep Bristlefrost around to change the forbidden romance code. I just find it so weird that she was killed off just like that.
And yes, I wish that Shadowsight had died instead. He's just like Tigerstar II- surviving against literally all the odds.
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Post by halogen on Nov 4, 2021 19:41:13 GMT -5
I think so and I believe this is the reason she stops having an arc of personal growth after being a spy and instead focuses on her love for Rootspring. They had to rush in the romance by book three to make sure it was set up for the second half of the arc. I think the fact that she was introduced saving someone from drowning and that she died drowning someone isn't a coincidence. true, we got to know her as the one who saved Rootspring from drowning and survived, and then we get to remember her as the one drowning Ashfur and died. Why are always the cats that drown the villain dying? Onestar died too, while trying to drown Darktail. Or Needletail. (I think she tried drowning Darktail) Not sure if that was intentional: "cat saves other cat from drowning, they fall in love" is a warriors tradition at this point.
As is, as you pointed out, "cat drowns villain and themselves", we've had that three times (Bluestar and the dogs, Onestar and Darktail, Bristlefrost and Ashfur)
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Nov 4, 2021 19:43:37 GMT -5
I don’t think so. It just feels like it kind of came out of nowhere, and that someone else could have or should’ve been there instead. I was honestly guessing Shadowsight because it would’ve made sense with him saving the Clans (even though he still did so in another way anyway). As someone else said, it feels like that they were just going to keep her alive for the forbidden romance code to be changed, but had different thoughts later on (like with Hollyleaf and Bramblestar). I was also surprised that Rootspring was willing to switch Clans instead of her, considering she was having issues of belonging with her Clan and he was close to his family. Honestly, I’m just sick of forbidden relationships being drama and tragedy. let one of them be healthy for once, and even if there’s some bittersweetness, it shouldn’t be taking over everything. It just gets annoying and cliché to read. I was really hoping this would be one of the few ones that didn’t cause any big issues, but that was not the case. Of course, someone pointed out the beginning of the series versus her death, so there could’ve been some planning, but there’s a chance of I’m reading too much into it.\spoiler]
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