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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 2, 2021 20:26:12 GMT -5
do not read this thread if u're avoiding spoilers for A Light in the Mist (TBC #6) i've hated bristle x root from the beginning, and now that TBC is over, i hate it even more.
rootspring's feelings for bristlefrost have no foundation. just like gray x silver, root only likes bristle because she's a hot stranger who saved him. and just like gray x silver, they don't know each other well, and it's shallow infatuation that isn't deep in the slightest.
bristlefrost's feelings for rootspring literally do not exist before her confession. she doesn't think about him in any way that suggests romantic questioning. she doesn't compare him to her canon crush stemleaf. there's just nothing.
and i'm making this post because im sick of this fandom saying "but they are a well developed couple and they talked things out maturely!"
let me make this VERY clear: THAT DOES NOT MATTER.
the fact that bristle x root HAVE NO FOUNDATION invalidates ALL scenes where the writers try to fake "development" or "mature talking scenes."
the POINT is, if there's no foundation on both sides of the ship, then what exactly, are they developing in those scenes post-confession?
they are making crap up out of thin air because the ship has no solid foundation to "build" upon.
it's ridiculous!
even dove x tiger has a more solid foundation and i hate the drama.
who cares if bristle x root wasn't dragged out like dove x tiger? who cares if bristle x root "talk maturely" about their relationship? NONE OF THAT MATTERS BECAUSE THE SHIP HAS NO FOUNDATION IN THE FIRST PLACE.
idk how else to make this clear. i could keep repeating myself on this topic until people GET why this ship was awful from the beginning!
i hate TBC so much. i hate how they tried tricking the readers into thinking bristle x root is a mature and well develped ship WHEN IT NEVER WAS!
bristle x root is such an awful ship , and even though it wasnt dragged out for drama like dove x tiger, i will ALWYAS say bristle x root is WORSE than dove x tiger. nothing can change my mind.
i hate bristlefrost. i hate what her character has done to rootspring. and i hate bristle x root for being a fake relationship that was written SO badly that they had to kill bristle off for sympathy points like gray x silver.
it's ridiculous. bristle x root has no foundation and THAT is the point. no amount of back pedaling or backtracking to suddenly give them "Development" post-confession can fix this fact.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 2, 2021 20:45:05 GMT -5
Are you glad they killed Bristlefrost off then since you hate her? yeah, and im not afraid to say it. when i first found out on the spoiler threads, i was geniunely happy and smiling that day lol. i already said to another forumer about this, but i dont want to make it seem like im actively putting down others who like bristlefrost, but im not afraid to say her death made me geniunely happy either.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2021 21:04:03 GMT -5
really upset about the fact that bristlefrost’s arc was taken over by a really boring romance. wish rootspring’s crush was unreciprocated, cause bristlefrost already had such an interesting thing going on and the erins are not able to write romance in a way that doesn’t override a character’s other attributes. even though I’m looking forward to seeing fan content about her death cause it is one of the darkest in the series, but her being fridged was frustrating beyond belief. her death scene is so good, and I do like it in concept, but then there’s a page of “oh man rootspring is gonna be sooooo sad about this”. warrior cats Please. [/spoilers]
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 2, 2021 21:05:27 GMT -5
really upset about the fact that bristlefrost’s arc was taken over by a really boring romance. wish rootspring’s crush was unreciprocated, cause bristlefrost already had such an interesting thing going on and the erins are not able to write romance in a way that doesn’t override a character’s other attributes. even though I’m looking forward to seeing fan content about her death cause it is one of the darkest in the series, but her being fridged was frustrating beyond belief. her death scene is so good, and I do like it in concept, but then there’s a page of “oh man rootspring is gonna be sooooo sad about this”. warrior cats Please. [/spoilers] i agree. i found root's plot with seeing dead cats and stuff way more interesting. and i actually liked him at the beginning of the arc, but then the bristle crush got out of hand and completely ruined him in my eyes :\ rootspring feels like a completely different cat to rootpaw, if u get what i mean...it's just so highly disappointing to me.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 2, 2021 22:20:47 GMT -5
I think at some point I'll do a full review of their relationship and both of them as individuals in the plot. Because honestly, I don't think they're as bad as people are making them out to be, especially compared to other forbidden relationships. I think it's genuine for Rootspring to develop some sort of feelings for Bristlefrost after she saved his life, it's a trope that's been used in the series before plenty of times anyways. But I do agree that from Bristlefrost to Rootspring it felt a bit off at first, but at the same time, Bristle could have just been a recipromantic after her rejection with Stemleaf. Who knows. I think the beginning of the relationship was rocky, but I also believe in the long term it could have worked out, it's just that in the end, Bristlefrost chose to save all the clans over possibly having a future with Rootspring, which is selfless if you ask me. But yeah, I disagree that it has no foundation, but it definitely isn't perfect either, but I respect your opinion.
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Post by Aqua on Nov 3, 2021 8:16:24 GMT -5
Bristlefrost didn't deserve to die twice, but I honestly didn't care for much of her as a character. Yes, there's more to her character other than romance, but it honestly felt like that's what most of her arc was focused on other than being Bramblestar's spy? She just didn't seem all that interesting to me. First she loves Stemleaf and then falls in love with Rootspring. I can see why people were pissed off at her character.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Nov 3, 2021 13:48:12 GMT -5
Bristlefrost was not my favorite protagonist of TBC (that place belongs to Rootspring) and I also did not care for the RootBristle pairing because it was just another forbidden romance to me (although it seemed more mature and healthier than others of the same category from before). That being said, I do not think Bristlefrost needed to permanently die in ALitM as her place could have been easily taken by another cat or more and not even they would have to die twice while taking down Ashfur. For example, Bramblestar and Squirrelflight could have defeated/killed him and then died of their wounds when waking up at the Moonpool (like Graystripe did). Thus ascending to StarClan and letting another cat rise to ThunderClan leadership. When it comes to how the RootBristle couple should have ended, I think they might have broken up anyway as it was mentioned so many times in the latter half of TBC how they were both loyal to their Clans first and wanted to help protect them at all costs. I don't think Bristlefrost deserved to die permanently and especially not like this.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 3, 2021 14:22:35 GMT -5
Bristlefrost was not my favorite protagonist of TBC (that place belongs to Rootspring) and I also did not care for the RootBristle pairing because it was just another forbidden romance to me (although it seemed more mature and healthier than others of the same category from before). That being said, I do not think Bristlefrost needed to permanently die in ALitM as her place could have been easily taken by another cat or more and not even they would have to die twice while taking down Ashfur. For example, Bramblestar and Squirrelflight could have defeated/killed him and then died of their wounds when waking up at the Moonpool (like Graystripe did). Thus ascending to StarClan and letting another cat rise to ThunderClan leadership. When it comes to how the RootBristle couple should have ended, I think they might have broken up anyway as it was mentioned so many times in the latter half of TBC how they were both loyal to their Clans first and wanted to help protect them at all costs. I don't think Bristlefrost deserved to die permanently and especially not like this. like i said in my post, it doesnt matter if post-confession bristlexroot scenes r portrayed as "mature" or "heathly." the point is, it has no basis to be portrayed that way because it has no foundation on bristle's end. so no matter how many times people tell me root x bristle was shaping up to be a healthier forbidden romance, i just cant agree with it at all because it has no reason to exist in the first place due to no solid foundation. to me, it never will be a "healthy" forbidden romance because it's so disingenuous and not developed at all on bristle's side. forbidden romance will always be written horribly and it will always make the cats involved selfish and horrible to their families.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 3, 2021 14:25:05 GMT -5
Bristlefrost didn't deserve to die twice, but I honestly didn't care for much of her as a character. Yes, there's more to her character other than romance, but it honestly felt like that's what most of her arc was focused on other than being Bramblestar's spy? She just didn't seem all that interesting to me. First she loves Stemleaf and then falls in love with Rootspring. I can see why people were pissed off at her character. when i first read about the confession scene in the spoiler threads, i was already making ways to justify it in my head. "she's just faking her feelings for rootspring because stemleaf just died and she can't handle not having someone to like. she only likes that someone likes her." but nope, they then tried to play this off as "legit" and it kept getting worse and worse on bristle's end. it literally comes out of nowhere. just as out of nowhere as crowfeather's confession to leafpool (though his is a tiny bit different just because he had no POV to compare it with pre-confession).
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Nov 3, 2021 15:47:03 GMT -5
Bristlefrost was not my favorite protagonist of TBC (that place belongs to Rootspring) and I also did not care for the RootBristle pairing because it was just another forbidden romance to me (although it seemed more mature and healthier than others of the same category from before). That being said, I do not think Bristlefrost needed to permanently die in ALitM as her place could have been easily taken by another cat or more and not even they would have to die twice while taking down Ashfur. For example, Bramblestar and Squirrelflight could have defeated/killed him and then died of their wounds when waking up at the Moonpool (like Graystripe did). Thus ascending to StarClan and letting another cat rise to ThunderClan leadership. When it comes to how the RootBristle couple should have ended, I think they might have broken up anyway as it was mentioned so many times in the latter half of TBC how they were both loyal to their Clans first and wanted to help protect them at all costs. I don't think Bristlefrost deserved to die permanently and especially not like this. like i said in my post, it doesnt matter if post-confession bristlexroot scenes r portrayed as "mature" or "heathly." the point is, it has no basis to be portrayed that way because it has no foundation on bristle's end. so no matter how many times people tell me root x bristle was shaping up to be a healthier forbidden romance, i just cant agree with it at all because it has no reason to exist in the first place due to no solid foundation. to me, it never will be a "healthy" forbidden romance because it's so disingenuous and not developed at all on bristle's side. forbidden romance will always be written horribly and it will always make the cats involved selfish and horrible to their families. I really disliked the RootBristle ship when first reading about it's premise but ever since it looked like they were going to break up or not let their relationship get any further I'm now more neutral on them/don't care enough to get worked up about it anymore. That is what my wording of them being mature and healthy was referring to because both of them were actually planning on not making this complicated and would have either moved on eventually or one would have probably joined the other's Clan way sooner than any of the other forbidden romances ever did (before potential kits were born). I agree with you though that Bristlefrost's feelings were not conveyed that well by the writing and would have preferred it if Rootspring had an unrequited crush like the one she had on Stemleaf who loved Spotfur instead.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Nov 3, 2021 16:15:32 GMT -5
Bristlefrost was not my favorite protagonist of TBC (that place belongs to Rootspring) and I also did not care for the RootBristle pairing because it was just another forbidden romance to me (although it seemed more mature and healthier than others of the same category from before). That being said, I do not think Bristlefrost needed to permanently die in ALitM as her place could have been easily taken by another cat or more and not even they would have to die twice while taking down Ashfur. For example, Bramblestar and Squirrelflight could have defeated/killed him and then died of their wounds when waking up at the Moonpool (like Graystripe did). Thus ascending to StarClan and letting another cat rise to ThunderClan leadership. When it comes to how the RootBristle couple should have ended, I think they might have broken up anyway as it was mentioned so many times in the latter half of TBC how they were both loyal to their Clans first and wanted to help protect them at all costs. I don't think Bristlefrost deserved to die permanently and especially not like this. it’s not about deserving to die, but about what made sense narratively and would make the biggest impact. Killing off one of the current main protags made the most sense, and her permanent loss and sacrifice is further proof and a bigger push to make things change so that this doesn’t happen again. Rootspring and Shadowsight still have potential in further stories, while Bristle would have likely been pushed into the background with her mom
This way, they were true to her personality and goals from the first book and also used her in a way that would have the biggest impact.
I think it’s alright to be upset that she died, but I do think her death made the most sense of every other character
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Post by Featherstar on Nov 3, 2021 16:18:14 GMT -5
While I don't entirely like Bristlefrost x Rootspring, I don't think Bris should've went down like that.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Nov 3, 2021 16:31:17 GMT -5
Bristlefrost was not my favorite protagonist of TBC (that place belongs to Rootspring) and I also did not care for the RootBristle pairing because it was just another forbidden romance to me (although it seemed more mature and healthier than others of the same category from before). That being said, I do not think Bristlefrost needed to permanently die in ALitM as her place could have been easily taken by another cat or more and not even they would have to die twice while taking down Ashfur. For example, Bramblestar and Squirrelflight could have defeated/killed him and then died of their wounds when waking up at the Moonpool (like Graystripe did). Thus ascending to StarClan and letting another cat rise to ThunderClan leadership. When it comes to how the RootBristle couple should have ended, I think they might have broken up anyway as it was mentioned so many times in the latter half of TBC how they were both loyal to their Clans first and wanted to help protect them at all costs. I don't think Bristlefrost deserved to die permanently and especially not like this. it’s not about deserving to die, but about what made sense narratively and would make the biggest impact. Killing off one of the current main protags made the most sense, and her permanent loss and sacrifice is further proof and a bigger push to make things change so that this doesn’t happen again. Rootspring and Shadowsight still have potential in further stories, while Bristle would have likely been pushed into the background with her mom
This way, they were true to her personality and goals from the first book and also used her in a way that would have the biggest impact.
I think it’s alright to be upset that she died, but I do think her death made the most sense of every other character Then I wll politely disagree with you on that and say either Bramblestar or Squirrelflight (or both) should have been the ones to die (but not permanently just going to StarClan) as they were the two characters most impacted by Ashfur's crimes and the actual cause for his terrible actions (not an excuse only an observation).
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 3, 2021 16:50:07 GMT -5
it’s not about deserving to die, but about what made sense narratively and would make the biggest impact. Killing off one of the current main protags made the most sense, and her permanent loss and sacrifice is further proof and a bigger push to make things change so that this doesn’t happen again. Rootspring and Shadowsight still have potential in further stories, while Bristle would have likely been pushed into the background with her mom
This way, they were true to her personality and goals from the first book and also used her in a way that would have the biggest impact.
I think it’s alright to be upset that she died, but I do think her death made the most sense of every other character Then I wll politely disagree with you on that and say either Bramblestar or Squirrelflight (or both) should have been the ones to die (but not permanently just going to StarClan) as they were the two characters most impacted by Ashfur's crimes and the actual cause for his terrible actions (not an excuse only an observation). i think i understand what otter is saying, but i also agree that bramble and squirrel should have died. 100%.
it'd be great if bristlefrost sacrificed herself for squirrelflight, just so she AND bramblestar can go fight ashfur to the death, and all three of them die in the end.
i also see why bristle had to die because...if she lived, root would have moved clans, but we already have that with fin x twig...like hello writers, u JUST made finleap (another skyclan tom) leave for a thunderclan she-cat, r u REALLY gonna do that two arcs in a row???
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Nov 3, 2021 16:56:32 GMT -5
Then I wll politely disagree with you on that and say either Bramblestar or Squirrelflight (or both) should have been the ones to die (but not permanently just going to StarClan) as they were the two characters most impacted by Ashfur's crimes and the actual cause for his terrible actions (not an excuse only an observation). i think i understand what otter is saying, but i also agree that bramble and squirrel should have died. 100%.
it'd be great if bristlefrost sacrificed herself for squirrelflight, just so she AND bramblestar can go fight ashfur to the death, and all three of them die in the end.
i also see why bristle had to die because...if she lived, root would have moved clans, but we already have that with fin x twig...like hello writers, u JUST made finleap (another skyclan tom) leave for a thunderclan she-cat, r u REALLY gonna do that two arcs in a row???
Or both of them could have realized they aren't meant to be together/chose their Clans over having an actual forbidden romance. I guess that I'm also just mad that another she cat died to give a tom some pain (like with GraySilver, CrowFeather, DustFern, BrackenSorrel, ClearBright, ClearStorm and CrowLeaf)
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Post by twigfrost on Nov 3, 2021 16:57:29 GMT -5
as much as i love bristlefrost, i hated bristleroot. seeing bristlefrost die in the end may have been saddening, but i want rootspring to move on and hopefully find love in someone else.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 3, 2021 17:01:37 GMT -5
as much as i love bristlefrost, i hated bristleroot. seeing bristlefrost die in the end may have been saddening, but i want rootspring to move on and hopefully find love in someone else.
i agree, i want root to move on a few arcs from now. root x shadow and root x turtle were always preferrable options to me from the beginning of this garbage arc...i hope rootspring does move on later in life and finally get with turtlecrawl.
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Post by Malefiz on Nov 3, 2021 17:08:46 GMT -5
as much as i love bristlefrost, i hated bristleroot. seeing bristlefrost die in the end may have been saddening, but i want rootspring to move on and hopefully find love in someone else.
i agree, i want root to move on a few arcs from now. root x shadow and root x turtle were always preferrable options to me from the beginning of this garbage arc...i hope rootspring does move on later in life and finally get with turtlecrawl. I kinda hope he moves on (one half of my heart wants him to never move on though) Turtle would be an option, but thinking about all the things root said with, he loved her so much and no one will ever be like her, makes me doubt it. We will see eventually. I dont know if i want him to move on from Bris though.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 3, 2021 17:12:48 GMT -5
i agree, i want root to move on a few arcs from now. root x shadow and root x turtle were always preferrable options to me from the beginning of this garbage arc...i hope rootspring does move on later in life and finally get with turtlecrawl. I kinda hope he moves on (one half of my heart wants him to never move on though) Turtle would be an option, but thinking about all the things root said with, he loved her so much and no one will ever be like her, makes me doubt it. We will see eventually. I dont know if i want him to move on from Bris though. i hate how ALITM ruined starclan cats somemore by making silverstream and feathertail immature jealous brats when they've shown previously to wholeheartedly accept, respect, and encourage their previous mates to move on and get with someone new...
with that said, rootspring is still young and if graystripe can move on to millie, then he is capable of moving on to turtlecrawl. thats why i made the distinction of wanting rootspring to move on with turtlecrawl much later in the series. i dont expect him to move on in the next 1-2 arcs tbh. it'd be more realistic if he went 2 or so arcs alone to heal in the background, and then later on, we'd get a mention of him and turtlecrawl having kits or something idk. i think it'd be nice.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 3, 2021 21:29:14 GMT -5
Did I miss something? Why is Turtlecrawl an option again? Wasn't she straight up just nasty to Rootspring at the start? Or is it because people want yet another echo to SandFire?
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 3, 2021 21:35:06 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure even people who ship Root x Bristle will agree that Bristlefrost's side came out of nowhere. I've yet to see anyone say otherwise, so I really don't get what you're trying to do here. In this case though, it doesn't really bother me like it usually would, probably because we got to see them form a close bond before Bristlefrost suddenly confessed her feelings for him. It's possible to like something while acknowledging its flaws.
Also, the fact that they're communicating and talking about the future at all does in fact make them mature, especially when compared to most of the other forbidden relationships in this series. Let's not invalidate that just because Bristlefrost's feelings were rushed.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 3, 2021 21:57:14 GMT -5
Did I miss something? Why is Turtlecrawl an option again? Wasn't she straight up just nasty to Rootspring at the start? Or is it because people want yet another echo to SandFire? Yeah, Turtlecrawl was a bully initially and then just stopped being one to the point where she seems to tolerate Rootspring at best by the end of LS, such as sharing prey with him and comforting him after he tells her and Kitepaw over disappointing Dewspring. Afterwards, she's very much in the background and is just a regular warrior. The only time Rootspring even acknowledges her bullying him is in DW.
Either way, she's not really much of a character. And even if she had gotten more page time, I'd still prefer it if she and Rootspring were purely platonic on both ends. Just because two characters interact doesn't mean there's going to be an attraction between them (mutual or otherwise) and I'd love to see more of that in fiction in general. It's kinda why I wish Rootspring x Bristlefrost hadn't been a thing either, even if I do still like it.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 3, 2021 22:05:06 GMT -5
Also, as I read the books I remember picking up hints that she liked him as well, but it was quite subtle. Do you remember when? I know she liked him as a friend, but I really don't remember any hints—subtle or otherwise—that she liked him romantically prior to the confession scene.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 3, 2021 22:25:40 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure even people who ship Root x Bristle will agree that Bristlefrost's side came out of nowhere. I've yet to see anyone say otherwise, so I really don't get what you're trying to do here. In this case though, it doesn't really bother me like it usually would, probably because we got to see them form a close bond before Bristlefrost suddenly confessed her feelings for him. It's possible to like something while acknowledging its flaws. Also, the fact that they're communicating and talking about the future at all does in fact make them mature, especially when compared to most of the other forbidden relationships in this series. Let's not invalidate that just because Bristlefrost's feelings were rushed. i see where u're coming from, but we can agree to disagree because i dont think i'll ever see it that way. i care more about foundation than a rushed "development" that tries to pretend its something it wasn't from the beginning. it literally just comes off as so disingenuous to me. it just feels like they're forcing it and going "see? they're talking so maturely, aren't they great?" it just feels so forced. it's not some epic love story so i hated how they tried forcing it to be seen that way. it feels like a trick to me.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 4, 2021 14:09:27 GMT -5
Also, as I read the books I remember picking up hints that she liked him as well, but it was quite subtle. Do you remember when? I know she liked him as a friend, but I really don't remember any hints—subtle or otherwise—that she liked him romantically prior to the confession scene. i might skim through the first 2 TBC books on bristle's chapters to see (idk where my third book went. i know i bought the first 3 books of TBC RIP)
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 4, 2021 19:01:56 GMT -5
after skimming the first book of TBC for bristle's POV: man the first book of TBC really had potential. i hate how bristle went from "thunderclan's survival matters more than my own heart" to "i'll think about some guy i havent known long when im dying rather than my loving and caring family." other than that, bristle's only thought about rootpaw was completely platonic. any cat would worry about a younger apprentice that was being bullied and almost died.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Nov 4, 2021 20:35:02 GMT -5
after skimming the first book of TBC for bristle's POV: man the first book of TBC really had potential. i hate how bristle went from "thunderclan's survival matters more than my own heart" to "i'll think about some guy i havent known long when im dying rather than my loving and caring family." other than that, bristle's only thought about rootpaw was completely platonic. any cat would worry about a younger apprentice that was being bullied and almost died. that's why i like her death so much because it's the bristlefrost we had in the first book, so i think her end is fitting for her
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 4, 2021 21:16:26 GMT -5
after skimming the first book of TBC for bristle's POV: man the first book of TBC really had potential. i hate how bristle went from "thunderclan's survival matters more than my own heart" to "i'll think about some guy i havent known long when im dying rather than my loving and caring family." other than that, bristle's only thought about rootpaw was completely platonic. any cat would worry about a younger apprentice that was being bullied and almost died. that's why i like her death so much because it's the bristlefrost we had in the first book, so i think her end is fitting for her it still bothers me that she thought about root rather than the future of her clan or her parents or her siblings.
there is no such thing as a healthy forbidden romance because it's the very definition of selfishness and it hurts others. cats in forbidden romance plots mostly think of only themselves.
even if u THINK u love some stranger enough to move clans to be with them, u will still hurt ur family and betray ur family. u'll make ur family think u dont love themor u never cared for nor appreciated all they've done for ur whole life.
there is no such thing as a healthy forbidden romance...just look at dovewing. despite moving clans, she still insisted on seeing her sister despite that being against the rules. u cant have ur cake and eat it too. by picking some stranger over ur clan and family, its a literal eff you to everyone who helped raise u.
i'll forever be bothered that bristle's last thoughts were of some dude and not her family...she was selfish even in her death. it's just wrong to me.
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