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Post by Featherstar on Oct 28, 2021 18:52:21 GMT -5
That the founding Clan leaders of all five Clans might show up in ALITM. The official website has been posting random quotes about Thunderstar and Riverstar today at least.
And when someone gets A Light in the Mist early, I would have it confirmed or not.
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Post by ๐ต๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ on Oct 28, 2021 18:56:53 GMT -5
Iโd love to see the founding leaders again
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She could now see that destiny alone could not save RiverClan. - Frostpaw, Wind
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Post by Featherstar on Oct 28, 2021 19:00:39 GMT -5
Iโd love to see the founding leaders again Same. I'm hoping to see them in the upcoming arc, A Starless Clan. That would be a prime time for them to show up.
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Post by flipwish on Oct 28, 2021 19:37:33 GMT -5
I realize this wouldn't fit very well with how they've been written since dotc but I think it would be very funny if they show up after the action is done and just go "??? what happened what did we miss lol we were busy sleeping or whatever"
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Oct 29, 2021 5:36:41 GMT -5
That be pretty cool, its either thats or maybe we will be getting that Riverstar SE
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Post by ๐๐ฅ๐๐๐ค๐ฌ๐จ๐ฅ on Oct 29, 2021 12:44:47 GMT -5
I had a theory about this! I would really like to see the founding leaders again. Actually, all I want is Thunderstar to randomly sacrifice his ghost-life or something. Then we could atleast see one death from him . But I would also really like to see Shadowstar and Skystar. I don't really care about Riverstar.
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Post by Bาฝษพษพแงแฆส
ฯฯษฑ on Oct 29, 2021 13:38:49 GMT -5
I had a theory about this! I would really like to see the founding leaders again. Actually, all I want is Thunderstar to randomly sacrifice his ghost-life or something. Then we could atleast see one death from him . But I would also really like to see Shadowstar and Skystar. I don't really care about Riverstar. We actually see Thunderstar losing his first live in Thunderstar's Echo when dogs attack him and Lightning Tail. That being said I highly doubt any of the founders will die as they are way too important in Clan culture. It would be cool to see them at least show up in ALitM though.
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Post by ๐๐ฅ๐๐๐ค๐ฌ๐จ๐ฅ on Oct 29, 2021 15:42:45 GMT -5
I had a theory about this! I would really like to see the founding leaders again. Actually, all I want is Thunderstar to randomly sacrifice his ghost-life or something. Then we could atleast see one death from him . But I would also really like to see Shadowstar and Skystar. I don't really care about Riverstar. We actually see Thunderstar losing his first live in Thunderstar's Echo when dogs attack him and Lightning Tail. That being said I highly doubt any of the founders will die as they are way too important in Clan culture. It would be cool to see them at least show up in ALitM though. It was only his first life unfortunately, and I was too focused on Lightning Tail to be actually happy about Thunderstar. But I guess you're right, and I shouldn't expect Thunderstar's ghost dying anytime soon in the series.
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Post by Bาฝษพษพแงแฆส
ฯฯษฑ on Oct 29, 2021 15:58:55 GMT -5
We actually see Thunderstar losing his first live in Thunderstar's Echo when dogs attack him and Lightning Tail. That being said I highly doubt any of the founders will die as they are way too important in Clan culture. It would be cool to see them at least show up in ALitM though. It was only his first life unfortunately, and I was too focused on Lightning Tail to be actually happy about Thunderstar. But I guess you're right, and I shouldn't expect Thunderstar's ghost dying anytime soon in the series. It's interesting that you hate Thunderstar so much (I remember reading your posts about him on other threads). To me he is either just boring or rather annoying although I'm still more Neutral/Like on him.
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Post by ๐๐ฅ๐๐๐ค๐ฌ๐จ๐ฅ on Oct 29, 2021 16:18:12 GMT -5
It was only his first life unfortunately, and I was too focused on Lightning Tail to be actually happy about Thunderstar. But I guess you're right, and I shouldn't expect Thunderstar's ghost dying anytime soon in the series. It's interesting that you hate Thunderstar so much (I remember reading your posts about him on other threads). To me he is either just boring or rather annoying although I'm still more Neutral/Like on him. I was actually surprised about it myself that I had such a strong opinion on a rather boring character. Only his mere presence fills me with rage (jk, but I really hate how he does things, he just annoys me so extremely much). I have heard a lot of people say that Clear Sky made them lay their book down in anger, but Thunder actually managed to do that with me, and so much worse. The more posts I made about why I hate him, the more I think about the fact that I really dislike him, the more I start hating him. He is the only fictional character ever I feel so strong opiniated on (of course there are Gray Wing, whom I love, and Ivypool, whom I hate, but Thunderstar is on a different level), even though he is kinda boring written without an interesting story.
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Post by Bาฝษพษพแงแฆส
ฯฯษฑ on Oct 29, 2021 16:24:32 GMT -5
It's interesting that you hate Thunderstar so much (I remember reading your posts about him on other threads). To me he is either just boring or rather annoying although I'm still more Neutral/Like on him. I was actually surprised about it myself that I had such a strong opinion on a rather boring character. Only his mere presence fills me with rage (jk, but I really hate how he does things, he just annoys me so extremely much). I have heard a lot of people say that Clear Sky made them lay their book down in anger, but Thunder actually managed to do that with me, and so much worse. The more posts I made about why I hate him, the more I think about the fact that I really dislike him, the more I start hating him. He is the only fictional character ever I feel so strong opiniated on (of course there are Gray Wing, whom I love, and Ivypool, whom I hate, but Thunderstar is on a different level), even though he is kinda boring written without an interesting story. I have that amount of disdain for both Clear Sky and Star Flower. While I still do feel bad for Thunder about the whole "his crush gets with his dad" thing (gross!) it was for the best seeing as she did not love him and never would. In regards to Star Flower I just wish they had gone the full villain route with her instead of the "redemption" she got. Same with her mate Clear Sky.
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Post by ๐๐ฅ๐๐๐ค๐ฌ๐จ๐ฅ on Oct 29, 2021 16:27:15 GMT -5
I was actually surprised about it myself that I had such a strong opinion on a rather boring character. Only his mere presence fills me with rage (jk, but I really hate how he does things, he just annoys me so extremely much). I have heard a lot of people say that Clear Sky made them lay their book down in anger, but Thunder actually managed to do that with me, and so much worse. The more posts I made about why I hate him, the more I think about the fact that I really dislike him, the more I start hating him. He is the only fictional character ever I feel so strong opiniated on (of course there are Gray Wing, whom I love, and Ivypool, whom I hate, but Thunderstar is on a different level), even though he is kinda boring written without an interesting story. I have that amount of disdain for both Clear Sky and Star Flower. While I still do feel bad for Thunder about the whole "his crush gets with his dad" thing (gross!) it was for the best seeing as she did not love him and never would. In regards to Star Flower I just wish they had gone the full villain route with her instead of the "redemption" she got. Same with her mate Clear Sky. And then you have me, probably being the biggest Star Flower apologist you can find on this forum. I still see she made mistakes, but the way Thunder handled it... She literally just used the situation Thunder created by giving her information without her even manipulating or brainwashing him. I kinda did want her to go on the evil way too though.
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Post by Bาฝษพษพแงแฆส
ฯฯษฑ on Oct 29, 2021 16:35:30 GMT -5
I have that amount of disdain for both Clear Sky and Star Flower. While I still do feel bad for Thunder about the whole "his crush gets with his dad" thing (gross!) it was for the best seeing as she did not love him and never would. In regards to Star Flower I just wish they had gone the full villain route with her instead of the "redemption" she got. Same with her mate Clear Sky. And then you have me, probably being the biggest Star Flower apologist you can find on this forum. I still see she made mistakes, but the way Thunder handled it... She literally just used the situation Thunder created by giving her information without her even manipulating or brainwashing him. I kinda did want her to go on the evil way too though. I personally think there definitely was manipulation involved when it comes to Star Flower using Thunder to get information. She was told to do this specific task by her father One Eye if I'm not mistaken (although I can't remember if the target was Thunder or any random tom for her to go after). The manipulation part comes in when Thunder develops feelings which she seemingly encouraged but of course didn't really mean in a serious way and then use his infatuation with her to get what she wanted. Thunder was acting completely foolish the entire time but him being a lovesick mess doesn't excuse her behaviour in this regard.
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Post by ๐๐ฅ๐๐๐ค๐ฌ๐จ๐ฅ on Oct 29, 2021 16:42:04 GMT -5
And then you have me, probably being the biggest Star Flower apologist you can find on this forum. I still see she made mistakes, but the way Thunder handled it... She literally just used the situation Thunder created by giving her information without her even manipulating or brainwashing him. I kinda did want her to go on the evil way too though. I personally think there definitely was manipulation involved when it comes to Star Flower using Thunder to get information. She was told to do this specific task by her father One Eye if I'm not mistaken (although I can't remember if the target was Thunder or any random tom for her to go after). The manipulation part comes in when Thunder develops feelings which she seemingly encouraged but of course didn't really mean in a serious way and then use his infatuation with her to get what she wanted. Thunder was acting completely foolish the entire time but him being a lovesick mess doesn't excuse her behaviour in this regard. That's a pretty interesting take on the whole situation imo! I can absolutely see where you're coming from, even though I will always defend the fact that Star Flower chose to save her father. Also, I feel like it was never stated if One Eye told her to find out information. Wasn't it that her feelings for Thunder were real for a while, but that she eventually knew about herself that she didn't want any more and that she eventually acted like she did so Thunder would still trust her?
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Post by Bาฝษพษพแงแฆส
ฯฯษฑ on Oct 29, 2021 16:55:38 GMT -5
I personally think there definitely was manipulation involved when it comes to Star Flower using Thunder to get information. She was told to do this specific task by her father One Eye if I'm not mistaken (although I can't remember if the target was Thunder or any random tom for her to go after). The manipulation part comes in when Thunder develops feelings which she seemingly encouraged but of course didn't really mean in a serious way and then use his infatuation with her to get what she wanted. Thunder was acting completely foolish the entire time but him being a lovesick mess doesn't excuse her behaviour in this regard. That's a pretty interesting take on the whole situation imo! I can absolutely see where you're coming from, even though I will always defend the fact that Star Flower chose to save her father. Also, I feel like it was never stated if One Eye told her to find out information. Wasn't it that her feelings for Thunder were real for a while, but that she eventually knew about herself that she didn't want any more and that she eventually acted like she did so Thunder would still trust her? I just read through her profile on the wiki to find some quotes and you're right! She was the one who called out to Thunder because of being interested in him although I don't really understand why Star Flower was hanging out near Fourtrees to begin with. So One Eye suggested the idea of using him to get information. I remembered things entirely wrong, my bad! Of course, this still doesn't change the fact that she chose to do as her father said (because she loved him/was loyal) and knowingly extracted information from a lovesick Thunder which is manipulative as she thus had ulterior motives to their at first sincerely meant meet ups. I'm not mad at all for Star Flower moving on but did it have to be with his father!?
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Post by ๐๐ฅ๐๐๐ค๐ฌ๐จ๐ฅ on Oct 30, 2021 2:41:48 GMT -5
That's a pretty interesting take on the whole situation imo! I can absolutely see where you're coming from, even though I will always defend the fact that Star Flower chose to save her father. Also, I feel like it was never stated if One Eye told her to find out information. Wasn't it that her feelings for Thunder were real for a while, but that she eventually knew about herself that she didn't want any more and that she eventually acted like she did so Thunder would still trust her? I just read through her profile on the wiki to find some quotes and you're right! She was the one who called out to Thunder because of being interested in him although I don't really understand why Star Flower was hanging out near Fourtrees to begin with. So One Eye suggested the idea of using him to get information. I remembered things entirely wrong, my bad! Of course, this still doesn't change the fact that she chose to do as her father said (because she loved him/was loyal) and knowingly extracted information from a lovesick Thunder which is manipulative as she thus had ulterior motives to their at first sincerely meant meet ups. I'm not mad at all for Star Flower moving on but did it have to be with his father!? It's okay, it happens to me a lot too . With the Star Flower x Clear Sky thing, I might be a little biasd, because since I read A Forest Divided, I adored them together. So I'm going to put my bias aside to look at the way they handled it (and how Thunder handled it). Imo, the fact that Thunder persuaded Clear Sky into taking Star Flower because he thought he could still pursue a relationship with her, was not only extremely selfish, but he also dug his own grave. Star Flower wasn't interested in him anymore, and it was pretty clear. Thunder focused all his emotions on her, while she was leading her own life. And when he found out she did not want a relationship with him, he tried to force Clear Sky to kick her out. Imo, Star Flower had the right to get with Clear Sky. It might not have been nice for Thunder, but he dug his own grave by focusing all of his emotions on her.
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Post by Bาฝษพษพแงแฆส
ฯฯษฑ on Oct 30, 2021 10:24:51 GMT -5
I just read through her profile on the wiki to find some quotes and you're right! She was the one who called out to Thunder because of being interested in him although I don't really understand why Star Flower was hanging out near Fourtrees to begin with. So One Eye suggested the idea of using him to get information. I remembered things entirely wrong, my bad! Of course, this still doesn't change the fact that she chose to do as her father said (because she loved him/was loyal) and knowingly extracted information from a lovesick Thunder which is manipulative as she thus had ulterior motives to their at first sincerely meant meet ups. I'm not mad at all for Star Flower moving on but did it have to be with his father!? It's okay, it happens to me a lot too . With the Star Flower x Clear Sky thing, I might be a little biasd, because since I read A Forest Divided, I adored them together. So I'm going to put my bias aside to look at the way they handled it (and how Thunder handled it). Imo, the fact that Thunder persuaded Clear Sky into taking Star Flower because he thought he could still pursue a relationship with her, was not only extremely selfish, but he also dug his own grave. Star Flower wasn't interested in him anymore, and it was pretty clear. Thunder focused all his emotions on her, while she was leading her own life. And when he found out she did not want a relationship with him, he tried to force Clear Sky to kick her out. Imo, Star Flower had the right to get with Clear Sky. It might not have been nice for Thunder, but he dug his own grave by focusing all of his emotions on her. I agree that Thunder should have moved on like Star Flower did but it still feels very icky to me that she chose his father Clear Sky to be her mate. That is just my opinion. I also do not like the fact of Violet Dawn being introduced as the love interest of him only in the last book of the arc. I think it would have been way better if she got shown first as a companion of Slate (who could have been her mother, aunt or older sister from another litter). This is an entirely different subject though so I will just stop before talking myself into a rage over how boring and thus disappointing (to me) the ThunderViolet ship was/is.
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Post by ๐๐ฅ๐๐๐ค๐ฌ๐จ๐ฅ on Oct 31, 2021 2:06:56 GMT -5
It's okay, it happens to me a lot too . With the Star Flower x Clear Sky thing, I might be a little biasd, because since I read A Forest Divided, I adored them together. So I'm going to put my bias aside to look at the way they handled it (and how Thunder handled it). Imo, the fact that Thunder persuaded Clear Sky into taking Star Flower because he thought he could still pursue a relationship with her, was not only extremely selfish, but he also dug his own grave. Star Flower wasn't interested in him anymore, and it was pretty clear. Thunder focused all his emotions on her, while she was leading her own life. And when he found out she did not want a relationship with him, he tried to force Clear Sky to kick her out. Imo, Star Flower had the right to get with Clear Sky. It might not have been nice for Thunder, but he dug his own grave by focusing all of his emotions on her. I agree that Thunder should have moved on like Star Flower did but it still feels very icky to me that she chose his father Clear Sky to be her mate. That is just my opinion. I also do not like the fact of Violet Dawn being introduced as the love interest of him only in the last book of the arc. I think it would have been way better if she got shown first as a companion of Slate (who could have been her mother, aunt or older sister from another litter). This is an entirely different subject though so I will just stop before talking myself into a rage over how boring and thus disappointing (to me) the ThunderViolet ship was/is. YES. Violet Dawn was so useless and her relationship with Thunder was so rushed. I guess our discussion about Star Flower is finished now, so let's talk about how this could've been a better couple.
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Post by Bาฝษพษพแงแฆส
ฯฯษฑ on Oct 31, 2021 7:52:06 GMT -5
I agree that Thunder should have moved on like Star Flower did but it still feels very icky to me that she chose his father Clear Sky to be her mate. That is just my opinion. I also do not like the fact of Violet Dawn being introduced as the love interest of him only in the last book of the arc. I think it would have been way better if she got shown first as a companion of Slate (who could have been her mother, aunt or older sister from another litter). This is an entirely different subject though so I will just stop before talking myself into a rage over how boring and thus disappointing (to me) the ThunderViolet ship was/is. YES. Violet Dawn was so useless and her relationship with Thunder was so rushed. I guess our discussion about Star Flower is finished now, so let's talk about how this could've been a better couple. Agreed! And yeah, I think Star Flower (and Clear Sky) should have become full villains and stayed as such. One of the founders (and his third mate) being evil would have just been more interesting to me but you are by all means of course allowed to disagree with my disdain for them and still adore Star Flower as a character. I actually made a thread back in February about how Violet Dawn could have been written in a better way. Here it is: wcrpforums.com/thread/81908/talk-violet-dawn
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Post by ๐๐ฅ๐๐๐ค๐ฌ๐จ๐ฅ on Oct 31, 2021 11:41:23 GMT -5
YES. Violet Dawn was so useless and her relationship with Thunder was so rushed. I guess our discussion about Star Flower is finished now, so let's talk about how this could've been a better couple. Agreed! And yeah, I think Star Flower (and Clear Sky) should have become full villains and stayed as such. One of the founders (and his third mate) being evil would have just been more interesting to me but you are by all means of course allowed to disagree with my disdain for them and still adore Star Flower as a character. I actually made a thread back in February about how Violet Dawn could have been written in a better way. Here it is: wcrpforums.com/thread/81908/talk-violet-dawnOmg, I wish they wrote her like that! My preferred storyline based on your ideas: - Violet Dawn is born alongside Lightning Tail and Acorn Fur. - She and Thunder are good friends, but he prefers hanging out with Lightning Tail - Her saving Thunder from the fire. - Almost dying from her injuries after the battle. - Her getting kidnapped by One Eye and being hold hostage in Clear Sky's former camp (so we can also see how One Eye abuses Clear Sky's cats). - Her meeting Rain and joining Slash's group - Rain still dying and Slash still wanting to replace him which leads to her wanting to come back. - Thunder still saves her from Slash's camp. - For the whole arc, it was implicated that they did have feelings for each other (which was overthrown by her meeting Rain), and them still getting a romance in the end. This could go with her getting a pov, which would be interesting and nice I guess. I do think they could fit it in, they just have to replace some useless chapters (mainly from Thunder).
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Post by Bาฝษพษพแงแฆส
ฯฯษฑ on Oct 31, 2021 11:48:15 GMT -5
Agreed! And yeah, I think Star Flower (and Clear Sky) should have become full villains and stayed as such. One of the founders (and his third mate) being evil would have just been more interesting to me but you are by all means of course allowed to disagree with my disdain for them and still adore Star Flower as a character. I actually made a thread back in February about how Violet Dawn could have been written in a better way. Here it is: wcrpforums.com/thread/81908/talk-violet-dawnOmg, I wish they wrote her like that! My preferred storyline based on your ideas: - Violet Dawn is born alongside Lightning Tail and Acorn Fur. - She and Thunder are good friends, but he prefers hanging out with Lightning Tail - Her saving Thunder from the fire. - Almost dying from her injuries after the battle. - Her getting kidnapped by One Eye and being hold hostage in Clear Sky's former camp (so we can also see how One Eye abuses Clear Sky's cats). - Her meeting Rain and joining Slash's group - Rain still dying and Slash still wanting to replace him which leads to her wanting to come back. - Thunder still saves her from Slash's camp. - For the whole arc, it was implicated that they did have feelings for each other (which was overthrown by her meeting Rain), and them still getting a romance in the end. This could go with her getting a pov, which would be interesting and nice I guess. I do think they could fit it in, they just have to replace some useless chapters (mainly from Thunder). Thank you for liking my ideas! I would have honestly much more preferred it if Thunder did not have a PoV at all. Three male/tom perspectives just makes things so unbalanced in terms of gender ratio. His viewpoint should have instead gone to a she cat (Tall Shadow, Wind Runner or Violet Dawn). That is just my own personal opinion though.
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Post by ๐๐ฅ๐๐๐ค๐ฌ๐จ๐ฅ on Oct 31, 2021 13:22:05 GMT -5
Omg, I wish they wrote her like that! My preferred storyline based on your ideas: - Violet Dawn is born alongside Lightning Tail and Acorn Fur. - She and Thunder are good friends, but he prefers hanging out with Lightning Tail - Her saving Thunder from the fire. - Almost dying from her injuries after the battle. - Her getting kidnapped by One Eye and being hold hostage in Clear Sky's former camp (so we can also see how One Eye abuses Clear Sky's cats). - Her meeting Rain and joining Slash's group - Rain still dying and Slash still wanting to replace him which leads to her wanting to come back. - Thunder still saves her from Slash's camp. - For the whole arc, it was implicated that they did have feelings for each other (which was overthrown by her meeting Rain), and them still getting a romance in the end. This could go with her getting a pov, which would be interesting and nice I guess. I do think they could fit it in, they just have to replace some useless chapters (mainly from Thunder). Thank you for liking my ideas! I would have honestly much more preferred it if Thunder did not have a PoV at all. Three male/tom perspectives just makes things so unbalanced in terms of gender ratio. His viewpoint should have instead gone to a she cat (Tall Shadow, Wind Runner or Violet Dawn). That is just my own personal opinion though. I agree. Even though there are some things about Thunder that couldn't have been put into context if the pov was from another cat, I just wish the Erins would've actually given Tall Shadow a pov in The First Battle (that was initially their plan).
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Post by Featherstar on Oct 31, 2021 21:31:36 GMT -5
I knew it! I knew it!
Skystar my boy!!!!
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