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Post by cinder :P on Oct 24, 2021 13:10:38 GMT -5
FireStar and SandStorm didnt have a very healthy relationship before Fire And Ice, where they became friends. Tho, do you think it was a good idea for the writers to make them mates even with their rocky past?
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Post by Cheetahstar on Oct 24, 2021 13:14:22 GMT -5
im a sucker for enemies to lovers
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Oct 24, 2021 13:22:06 GMT -5
For me personally, I think their relationship developed too fast after Fireheart saved Sandpaw from falling to her death. Like, I get that she then seemed to finally realize he was more than just a kittypet/outsider but it still felt rushed and they did have their fair share of arguments even after she stopped bullying him for his origins. I usually don't like couples who argue a lot due to personal reasons (another one would be BrambleSquirrel). And the bullies to lovers trope is also not for me (personal reasons once again) although enemies to lovers could be good if done right. But yeah, in short, FireSand is not a pairing I'm ever going to ship even though it's canon.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Oct 24, 2021 13:56:14 GMT -5
They're a completely healthy pairing so I don't know why it wouldn't be fine. Sandstorm was an apprentice when she was a jerk and grew from it
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Post by Chicken on Oct 24, 2021 13:57:27 GMT -5
I think it's fine, the only problem that I have with them, is that them being together resulted in two of the most annoying characters to ever grace the pages of Warriors.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Oct 24, 2021 17:15:20 GMT -5
It was a good idea since Sandstorm eventually grew out of it, Firestar forgave her, and she never did it again. Since FireSand had a healthy and loving relationship for the rest of their life, what happened when they were teenagers doesn't really matter anymore in the long run.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Oct 24, 2021 17:42:56 GMT -5
I’m a huge sucker for FireSand , while maybe her change in opinion of him was a little bit sudden from her being saved by him , she doesn’t just immediately start falling for him , it starts out with her developing respect for him, and then evolves from there , and many could argue it was rushed , simply due to lack of Screentime , written development , but that’s a huge part of why I like it , it’s not Constantly Trolling you in the Face 24/7 like Tiger/Dove or even Bramble/squirrel ,Bristle/Root etc . and I wouldn’t really consider it Rushed since they don’t officially get together until TDH , which at the time was intended to be the final Book in the series , and the conclusion of the franchise , so really it was then or never at the time . They have a healthy relationship for the most part , there’s the obvious hiccups with Spottedleafs Creepy , stalking A$$. But otherwise it’s good.
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Post by Aqua on Oct 25, 2021 10:52:56 GMT -5
It's fine. I don't remember much of them together other than Sandpaw's treatment toward Firepaw when they were younger and Sandstorm getting angry at Firestar for seeing Spottedleaf in his dreams. But other than those issues, I feel like it's a healthy couple from what I remember, and Sandstorm eventually stops getting mad at Firestar for the Spottedleaf situation and asked him to be honest with her about it from now on, and Spottedleaf has backed off since. I don't care about them that much anymore, but they're fine. They communicate in a healthy way, which is rare for this series.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Oct 29, 2021 15:33:33 GMT -5
I feel that they didn't get together quickly. They only admitted their feelings in A Dangerous Path if I remember correctly? Right before the plan with the dogs, I think.
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Post by rabbit on Oct 29, 2021 16:46:44 GMT -5
I dislike Sandstorm. I hated how she treated Firestar and Ravenpaw in the original arc. FireGray is the best Firestar ship in my opinion.
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Post by !! 𝐒𝘛𝙰Ƨ1S !! on Oct 29, 2021 16:49:33 GMT -5
Eh. To be honest, i dont really think so.. Bullies to lovers isn't a very healthy trope, but atleast they have a cute relationship after they confess to eachother. Plus, like many others said, it was too quick to make them mates.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Oct 29, 2021 19:47:53 GMT -5
While I understand people’s misgivings on there relationship developing rather quickly I guess . And that it should of had more time for them to grow closer over a more gradual period . I Feel it’s necessary to remember that it was very unplanned from the beginning , as into the Wild was intended to be a One-and-done book , then was decided by HC to make them into a 6 book series , with the Darkest hour being the end of the books altogether . So that gave Vicky Holmes 5 books for a she-cat to start crushing on Fireheart , or vice versa , then for that relationship to evolve and develop , and run through the cycle of Courtship , become partners , and become a fully committed/happy Couple to wrap up there happy ending , all without diverting too much time from the main plot of the story so it doesn’t transform into a mushy romance novel , Since it wasn’t until after the Darkest hour was fully written and about ready to be released that they decided to make a second Arc , so was supposed to complete all the characters development arcs , and wrap up the story with a pretty red ribbon . Makes it kinda difficult to make whatever romantic interest they give him not feel rushed , since they needed to be a happily married/mated couple by TDH or sooner .
Whatever’s your take on the couple , or the haters to lovers trope , still is one the healthier ships in the series .
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 30, 2021 1:06:48 GMT -5
Not a fan, imo there were other pairings with much better chemistry, and the only time I liked Sand's character was as ane elder tbh.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Oct 30, 2021 1:50:33 GMT -5
Not a fan, imo there were other pairings with much better chemistry, and the only time I liked Sand's character was as ane elder tbh. yeah there’s definitely couples with more chemistry . So I’ve seen you voice your opinion why you don’t like the FireSand Pairing on numerous occasions , and I’m really Curious who’d be in your opinion a more suitable Mate choice for Firestar from the limited selection of she-cats from the original cast in TPB?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2021 1:54:08 GMT -5
Yep, one of the best written and healthiest pairings in the series tbh
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 30, 2021 3:41:31 GMT -5
Not a fan, imo there were other pairings with much better chemistry, and the only time I liked Sand's character was as ane elder tbh. yeah there’s definitely couples with more chemistry . So I’ve seen you voice your opinion why you don’t like the FireSand Pairing on numerous occasions , and I’m really Curious who’d be in your opinion a more suitable Mate choice for Firestar from the limited selection of she-cats from the original cast in TPB? Personally if I had to pick, I'd say Cinderpelt. I was disappointed with how the Erins handled her, although I think she's well written, I think she could have been better. It felt like she was given the short end of the stick a lot. Her dream was to be a great warrior the clan was proud of, but the Erins made it seem like this wasn't possible with her physical disability. It's nice that Yellowfang helped her out of her funk and trained her into a new destiny that she accepts, but even then the Erins have it where that's wrong and she's destined to die. They try to make up for it by giving her a "Reincarnation" arc, but it's a common consensus in the fandom that that wasn't handled well, and I agree, it was a part of her character that wasn't needed. Along with being shoved aside in favor of Leafpool as a medicine cat later, since it was never her destiny to be a medicine cat, according the StarClan, Cinderpelt was also unable to even remotely pursue a possible relationship with Firestar. I remember the scenes between her and Sandstorm quite clearly from when I was younger, and after re-reading the first series, I came to prefer the idea of FireCinder over FireSand. I probably don't need to explain my distaste for FireSand at this point, so I'll stick to why I eventually came to like FireCinder. I think it had more to do with their friendship, which I thought could have been a powerful foundation to a good and healthy relationship. Cinderpelt wasn't really Firestar's apprentice long, and she ended up spending more time in the medicine cat den with Yellowfang then with him, but Firestar still felt the need to try and make her happy. I liked that when Cinderpelt started to get her confidence back she and Firestar were more on plane as equals, and they obviously cared for one another a lot as clanmates. There was no unnecessary harsh feuding at the start that left a bad taste in my mouth, but there was an establishment of shared grief. Cinderpelt's injury affected Firestar as much as it did her, and he tried to support her every step of the way, but also she in turn became a very trusting friend to him. She also knew him quite well, she knew how obvious his thoughts were, she understood his sense of honor and loyalty, and she also had no problem standing up to him and speaking her own mind. I think the scene that definitely cemented these two for me was when they were walking together in FoS, and Cinderpelt was finally going to be officially Yellowfang's apprentice. This felt very down to earth and comforting to read. It was nice that Firestar mutually saw her as his friend, and that he cared for her happiness, and her future of possibly having someone she loved. I felt that if Cinderpelt actually did stay as a warrior, then she would have told Firestar how she felt, and because of their already close friendship, I felt that it could have worked out honestly. Not to mention, I think overall it would have just been a much better outcome. A physically disabled character having a main story romance with the main protagonist would have been interesting to read about. Cinderpelt staying a warrior, at least to me, would have also felt like a much more powerful narrative wise. To me they had a much better chemistry, especially because of their close friendship. However because Cinderpelt chose the life of a medicine cat under the guise that she thought it was her new destiny chosen for her by StarClan, they never had a chance unfortunately. But the fact that Cinderpelt encouraged Firestar to get with Sandstorm shows just how selfless her love for him was. She wanted him to be happy, even if it meant that she was happy with another woman. So it also feels like salt on the wound later on when she has to apprentice Leafpool, and she says something as cruel as this too her: It made me sad that she still had so much faith in StarClan, despite them telling her it wasn't her destiny to be a medicine cat. Telling her she was going to die, yet she still accepted that, and still chose to stay a medicine cat for the sake of her clan. She really did deserve better, or at least a proper chance at a life of love like she wanted before. That aside, even if Cinderpelt stayed a medicine cat, I also prefer other options, because I felt they were more interesting plot wise too. Like Goldenflower, so Firestar is officially Bramblestar's adopted father, and it would give Goldenflower more spotlight and make the rivalry between Tiger and Fire more personal. MistyFOOT, because you could easily put aside the whole GraySilver arc (even though I don't mind GraySilver) in favor of FireMisty instead. The two of them falling for each other while also discovering the truth about Mistystar's bloodline would have been really interesting imo. Misyfoot deserved a better mate, and life, especially after all the crap she went through in RiverClan. And the last option is him and Morningflower, it would have been interesting to see WC!Firestar or Morningflower moving to ThunderClan, and the option to either keep Gorsepaw alive or dead is there. Outside of she-cats Firestar also had good chemistry with cats like Graystripe, Ravenpaw, Longtail later down the line, etc.
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Post by cygna on Oct 30, 2021 8:37:12 GMT -5
I'm not a fan, sorry.
People seem to think they were enemies to lover but they weren't, Sandstorm was his bully and as someone who's been bullied myself I know I could never even befriend my bullies although I would save them if I was in the position to.
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Oct 30, 2021 9:41:10 GMT -5
They are a great couple.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Oct 30, 2021 20:38:39 GMT -5
yeah there’s definitely couples with more chemistry . So I’ve seen you voice your opinion why you don’t like the FireSand Pairing on numerous occasions , and I’m really Curious who’d be in your opinion a more suitable Mate choice for Firestar from the limited selection of she-cats from the original cast in TPB? Personally if I had to pick, I'd say Cinderpelt. I was disappointed with how the Erins handled her, although I think she's well written, I think she could have been better. It felt like she was given the short end of the stick a lot. Her dream was to be a great warrior the clan was proud of, but the Erins made it seem like this wasn't possible with her physical disability. It's nice that Yellowfang helped her out of her funk and trained her into a new destiny that she accepts, but even then the Erins have it where that's wrong and she's destined to die. They try to make up for it by giving her a "Reincarnation" arc, but it's a common consensus in the fandom that that wasn't handled well, and I agree, it was a part of her character that wasn't needed. Along with being shoved aside in favor of Leafpool as a medicine cat later, since it was never her destiny to be a medicine cat, according the StarClan, Cinderpelt was also unable to even remotely pursue a possible relationship with Firestar. I remember the scenes between her and Sandstorm quite clearly from when I was younger, and after re-reading the first series, I came to prefer the idea of FireCinder over FireSand. I probably don't need to explain my distaste for FireSand at this point, so I'll stick to why I eventually came to like FireCinder. I think it had more to do with their friendship, which I thought could have been a powerful foundation to a good and healthy relationship. Cinderpelt wasn't really Firestar's apprentice long, and she ended up spending more time in the medicine cat den with Yellowfang then with him, but Firestar still felt the need to try and make her happy. I liked that when Cinderpelt started to get her confidence back she and Firestar were more on plane as equals, and they obviously cared for one another a lot as clanmates. There was no unnecessary harsh feuding at the start that left a bad taste in my mouth, but there was an establishment of shared grief. Cinderpelt's injury affected Firestar as much as it did her, and he tried to support her every step of the way, but also she in turn became a very trusting friend to him. She also knew him quite well, she knew how obvious his thoughts were, she understood his sense of honor and loyalty, and she also had no problem standing up to him and speaking her own mind. I think the scene that definitely cemented these two for me was when they were walking together in FoS, and Cinderpelt was finally going to be officially Yellowfang's apprentice. This felt very down to earth and comforting to read. It was nice that Firestar mutually saw her as his friend, and that he cared for her happiness, and her future of possibly having someone she loved. I felt that if Cinderpelt actually did stay as a warrior, then she would have told Firestar how she felt, and because of their already close friendship, I felt that it could have worked out honestly. Not to mention, I think overall it would have just been a much better outcome. A physically disabled character having a main story romance with the main protagonist would have been interesting to read about. Cinderpelt staying a warrior, at least to me, would have also felt like a much more powerful narrative wise. To me they had a much better chemistry, especially because of their close friendship. However because Cinderpelt chose the life of a medicine cat under the guise that she thought it was her new destiny chosen for her by StarClan, they never had a chance unfortunately. But the fact that Cinderpelt encouraged Firestar to get with Sandstorm shows just how selfless her love for him was. She wanted him to be happy, even if it meant that she was happy with another woman. So it also feels like salt on the wound later on when she has to apprentice Leafpool, and she says something as cruel as this too her: It made me sad that she still had so much faith in StarClan, despite them telling her it wasn't her destiny to be a medicine cat. Telling her she was going to die, yet she still accepted that, and still chose to stay a medicine cat for the sake of her clan. She really did deserve better, or at least a proper chance at a life of love like she wanted before. That aside, even if Cinderpelt stayed a medicine cat, I also prefer other options, because I felt they were more interesting plot wise too. Like Goldenflower, so Firestar is officially Bramblestar's adopted father, and it would give Goldenflower more spotlight and make the rivalry between Tiger and Fire more personal. MistyFOOT, because you could easily put aside the whole GraySilver arc (even though I don't mind GraySilver) in favor of FireMisty instead. The two of them falling for each other while also discovering the truth about Mistystar's bloodline would have been really interesting imo. Misyfoot deserved a better mate, and life, especially after all the crap she went through in RiverClan. And the last option is him and Morningflower, it would have been interesting to see WC!Firestar or Morningflower moving to ThunderClan, and the option to either keep Gorsepaw alive or dead is there. Outside of she-cats Firestar also had good chemistry with cats like Graystripe, Ravenpaw, Longtail later down the line, etc. pleasure to meet a fellow FireCinder Disciple/advocate . And everything you’ve said expresses my thoughts/opinions on Cinderpelt to a perfect tie . I was rooting for FireCinder almost religiously when I first read Fire and ice . And it freakin broke my heart when she injured her leg because of the trap tigerclaws set for Bluestar , and was forced to become a medicine cat . Cinderpelt is such an underrated character in my opinion , and how she just accepts the cards she’s been dealt and continues to trudge onwards and make the most out of her life , and still continues to maintain a healthy friendship with whom was essentially her other Half that she wasn’t allowed to be with , is truly inspiring and admirable . Her feats are truly Outstanding , and she doesn’t get near enough recognition and approbation for her resilience . And to mention the bittersweet pain she had to have felt from mentoring Leafpool , since she was essentially raising/teaching the kit of the Tom she loved , and undoubtedly felt a Surrogate Maternal Bond , and saw her as the daughter as she should of had with Firestar . Probably why she didn’t blow her secret of sneaking around with Crowfeather , and was more lenient with her with the whole ordeal overall . I desperately Crave a Cinderpelt Super Edition , I need more Cinderpelt Screentime .
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