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Post by Chicken on Oct 14, 2021 12:34:07 GMT -5
Cut out the lame Squirrelflight crap that didn't need to be in this arc anyway, and I think Darktail could have been a great candidate to fit the story. Think about it, his life was essentially ruined, because his father wanted to hide the fact that he broke the code, and yet, there are cats out there, who broke the code, and get to live their lives like nothing happened. Like Dovewing and Tigerheart, which could be why he targeted their son Shadowsight. Who do you think could have been a good villain for this arc other than Ashfur?
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Post by halogen on Oct 14, 2021 13:24:56 GMT -5
The idea of Ashfur as a villain is fine, but for the themes of questioning the code, and a reactionary vengeance against those who broke it, I think it would work way better if Ashfur was just one of a group of "fundamentalist" StarClan cats trying to get everyone to follow the code again, who are closing access to StarClan in order to punish the Clan cats. They trust him with contacting the living world but then he goes rogue and, while still following through with their plan to punish codebreakers, is also doing all sorts of other stuff to get to Squirrelflight. I just feel like the narrative of questioning the code requires a villain who wants to preserve the code at all costs and isn't being hypocritical about it or using it as an excuse for a completely different motive, even though Ashfur's obsession with Squirrelflight does make him an interesting villain and should be kept. I think Darktail would be even worse than Ashfur as a lone villain because he isn't even a Clan cat, when the narrative really needs a villain from within who represents the Clan's laws taken to their logical extreme.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Oct 14, 2021 13:31:20 GMT -5
The idea of Ashfur as a villain is fine, but for the themes of questioning the code, and a reactionary vengeance against those who broke it, I think it would work way better if Ashfur was just one of a group of "fundamentalist" StarClan cats trying to get everyone to follow the code again, who are closing access to StarClan in order to punish the Clan cats. They trust him with contacting the living world but then he goes rogue and, while still following through with their plan to punish codebreakers, is also doing all sorts of other stuff to get to Squirrelflight. I just feel like the narrative of questioning the code requires a villain who wants to preserve the code at all costs and isn't being hypocritical about it or using it as an excuse for a completely different motive, even though Ashfur's obsession with Squirrelflight does make him an interesting villain and should be kept. I think Darktail would be even worse than Ashfur as a lone villain because he isn't even a Clan cat, when the narrative really needs a villain from within who represents the Clan's laws taken to their logical extreme. ashfur never cared about the code or the clans belief in starclan before, so thats why i personally dont like that he's the imposter. it makes no sense. he only cares about squirrelflight, and i still say its a stretch for him to go "squirrelflight cares about the clans, the code, and starclan, so if i hurt those things, i hurt her." like it's a HUGE stretch in logic for me and i cant get behind that. only a villain who actually cares about the code and the belief in starclan should be the imposter, which is why TBC is a waste. it's all about ashfur and squirrelflight. it's TNP part 3 now
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Post by Chicken on Oct 14, 2021 13:32:51 GMT -5
The idea of Ashfur as a villain is fine, but for the themes of questioning the code, and a reactionary vengeance against those who broke it, I think it would work way better if Ashfur was just one of a group of "fundamentalist" StarClan cats trying to get everyone to follow the code again, who are closing access to StarClan in order to punish the Clan cats. They trust him with contacting the living world but then he goes rogue and, while still following through with their plan to punish codebreakers, is also doing all sorts of other stuff to get to Squirrelflight. I just feel like the narrative of questioning the code requires a villain who wants to preserve the code at all costs and isn't being hypocritical about it or using it as an excuse for a completely different motive, even though Ashfur's obsession with Squirrelflight does make him an interesting villain and should be kept. I think Darktail would be even worse than Ashfur as a lone villain because he isn't even a Clan cat, when the narrative really needs a villain from within who represents the Clan's laws taken to their logical extreme. ashfur never cared about the code or the clans belief in starclan before, so thats why i personally dont like that he's the imposter. it makes no sense. he only cares about squirrelflight, and i still say its a stretch for him to go "squirrelflight cares about the clans, the code, and starclan, so if i hurt those things, i hurt her." like it's a HUGE stretch in logic for me and i cant get behind that. only a villain who actually cares about the code and the belief in starclan should be the imposter, which is why TBC is a waste. it's all about ashfur and squirrelflight. it's TNP part 3 now Yeah, like, I wouldn't mind if Ashfur was the villain in another arc, but he just doesn't seem to fit for this one.
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Cloudstorm
Don’t let it kill you. Even when it hurts like hell.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Oct 14, 2021 20:50:38 GMT -5
ashfur never cared about the code or the clans belief in starclan before, so thats why i personally dont like that he's the imposter. it makes no sense. he only cares about squirrelflight, and i still say its a stretch for him to go "squirrelflight cares about the clans, the code, and starclan, so if i hurt those things, i hurt her." like it's a HUGE stretch in logic for me and i cant get behind that. only a villain who actually cares about the code and the belief in starclan should be the imposter, which is why TBC is a waste. it's all about ashfur and squirrelflight. it's TNP part 3 now I personally Like to Think of it as Power of Three Part 4 . Since TNP is realistically before Ashfur decided to Toss all his marbles into the Sea, and Start Seeking Any kind of Vengeance against Squirrelflight , I know that they Connected him to Firestars Attempted murder in Sunset during the Fire scene in Long shadows . But I found it to be out of place , and disingenuous, cause there’s no way he just immediately Lost his Sanity and is going to start Conspiring to commit murder for revenge mere Weeks after being Rejected imo . Power of three is where he truly began venturing down the Dark , evil path that’s lead him to where he is now . and the aftermath has been causing Drama, being used as an Recurring Subplot/played a role in some Capacity in every Arc since then .
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Post by vectoring34 on Oct 14, 2021 23:03:04 GMT -5
Darktail doesn't even know what the code is or anything about warrior life, that's the thing. That's exactly what makes his character attractive to the Shadowclan rogues, that he represents some "hard man" alternative to the code, he's a total outsider. His character is defined entirely by the fact that he can claim to be some pure, buttkicking group.
He would be an awful fit for the Broken Code for that reason. The Broken Code requires an insider to work, and moreover, someone who is at least cunning. Darktail not only knows nothing about the clans, but he's stupid and solves all his problems with simple application of blunt force. Darktail in Ashfur's position would regress to Ashfur's mindset post Squirrelflight "death" almost immediately.
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