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Post by mEmE on Aug 31, 2016 18:01:49 GMT -5
Hi guys.
In the apprentice's quest, Alderpaw goes with others to try to find the old SkyClan gorge, and while reading through it, I was sort of expecting them to pass by the high stones and the old forest because I was assuming that when SkyClan was driven out, they headed south east of the old forest. I was surprised that there wasn't this occasion and was also slightly disappointed by it, I don't have Firestars quest at the moment. But does anyone know where the gorge is located in comparasion to be other territories, and was it possible at all for the group to pass by the old forest? Because it seemed like a missed opportunity for a great nostalgia scene.
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Post by Jaysnow on Aug 31, 2016 18:07:14 GMT -5
I agree. I don't know why they didn't just take that path.
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Post by kinkajou on Aug 31, 2016 18:08:13 GMT -5
I mean the old forest was destroyed so
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Post by Jaysnow on Aug 31, 2016 18:09:39 GMT -5
I mean the old forest was destroyed so There's still Highstones. I think that was still there, right..? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 18:27:37 GMT -5
I thought they did pass Highstones, but it just wasn't mentioned? None of them were alive when the Clans lived in the old forest, so they probably didn't know what it was and just continued on into the Twoleg place that stands where the old forest used to. All I know is that in order to get to the gorge they traveled down the river by WindClan's territory in FQ
And didn't Alderpaw and Needlepaw end up in RiverClan's old territory after they got swept down the river?
The journey scenes are so confusing for me so I'm probably wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 18:42:28 GMT -5
I think they did- but like Twister said, they hadn't been to the old territory before, so they would have no idea. And if Sandstorm happened to be there, it would be mostly unrecognizable cause WindClan territory would be completely plowed over and a new street on top of it, and most of ShadowClan and ThunderClan territory would have houses on it. As we saw in Graystripe's manga, they kept the Great Sycamore there, so I guess Sandstorm could have seen it and recognized it, but they could have easily missed it- especially if Sandstorm didn't make it that far anyway.
Really, it wouldn't have been much of a nostalgia scene because quite frankly, the once-beautiful forest would now be a bunch of new houses and maybe a few empty clearings with a bunch of trash on them. It's be almost unrecognizable.
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Post by kinkajou on Aug 31, 2016 18:51:40 GMT -5
I mean the old forest was destroyed so There's still Highstones. I think that was still there, right..? Idk I don't really remember |
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Post by Wicked Witch on Aug 31, 2016 19:06:33 GMT -5
just looking at the title "the apprentice's quest" was enough info for me to know i wasn't going to enjoy this journey-the book more specifically-at all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 19:17:23 GMT -5
The journeying books are always a nightmare for me to imagine, because the Erins are very bad with describing words. I always have to reimagine the scene a hundred times until I get it right.
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Aug 31, 2016 19:20:39 GMT -5
In Ravenpaw's Farewell, the ThunderClan camp still exists. As does RiverClan's camp. Ravenpaw and Barley go there before they leave for SkyClan. Ravenpaw even reflects on how ThunderClan and RiverClan could have stayed in the old forest, since their territories were barely touched. WindClan, Moonstone, and ShadowClan's territory was wiped out however.
It would have been nice to see a great nostalgia scene, and I honestly hoped it would have led to that. But unfortunately it didn't :/
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Post by mEmE on Aug 31, 2016 19:22:14 GMT -5
The journeying books are always a nightmare for me to imagine, because the Erins are very bad with describing words. I always have to reimagine the scene a hundred times until I get it right. Speaking of which, I think I have yet to finish a single journeying scene yet. I think I skipped all of them. Back to the topic, I was wishing that Sandstorm could've lasted until they reached the old forest. I forgot if the fourtrees were destroyed by the humans in the be prophecy been a long time since I read it |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 19:30:15 GMT -5
Ravenpaw even reflects on how ThunderClan and RiverClan could have stayed in the old forest, since their territories were barely touched. WindClan, Moonstone, and ShadowClan's territory was wiped out however. Wait what? That doesn't make sense, since in Graystripe's manga, ThunderClan's entire forest was cut down, except for the great sycamore- and RiverClan's river was all polluted. Plus, right before the clans left, ThunderClan was starving cause trees were being cut down pretty fast, and RiverClan were starting to go hungry since the fish were disappearing. I doubt they could have stayed. I mean, even if only a couple of trees were torn down in ThunderClan- that was still enough to cause Ferncloud to almost lose her entire litter and the clan to be starving. And ThunderClan already had enough problem surviving leaf-bare before. "barely touched" seems kinda of an understatement- even if the manga is false. ...maybe it was a writing mistake or something? |
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Post by 𝕡𝕖𝕡𝕡𝕖𝕣𝕞𝕚𝕟𝕥 on Aug 31, 2016 19:36:44 GMT -5
I think the gorge is upstream from RiverClan's territory. That's what I got from FQ.
Honestly, I find the journey scenes confusing when it comes to location.
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Aug 31, 2016 19:49:20 GMT -5
Ravenpaw even reflects on how ThunderClan and RiverClan could have stayed in the old forest, since their territories were barely touched. WindClan, Moonstone, and ShadowClan's territory was wiped out however. Wait what? That doesn't make sense, since in Graystripe's manga, ThunderClan's entire forest was cut down, except for the great sycamore- and RiverClan's river was all polluted. Plus, right before the clans left, ThunderClan was starving cause trees were being cut down pretty fast, and RiverClan were starting to go hungry since the fish were disappearing. I doubt they could have stayed. I mean, even if only a couple of trees were torn down in ThunderClan- that was still enough to cause Ferncloud to almost lose her entire litter and the clan to be starving. And ThunderClan already had enough problem surviving leaf-bare before. "barely touched" seems kinda of an understatement- even if the manga is false. ...maybe it was a writing mistake or something? You got to take into consideration that RF takes place at least two years after the Clans left. Which left plenty of time for prey, and vegetation to regrow. Rouges, Loners, Kittypet's, etc. have made homes within the old forest since the Clans were gone. Graystripe's Manga trilogy, was roughly 6-8 months after the Clans left, in which, the forest was still recovering from the damage. Perhaps the Erins forgot the destruction? Or that the manga depicted TC and RC territory completely wiped out? Regardless, it Raven goes back to the old TC camp, and find everything in tact still--aside from overgrown vegetation. It isn't the first time the Erins have been inconsistent. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 19:59:26 GMT -5
Wait what? That doesn't make sense, since in Graystripe's manga, ThunderClan's entire forest was cut down, except for the great sycamore- and RiverClan's river was all polluted. Plus, right before the clans left, ThunderClan was starving cause trees were being cut down pretty fast, and RiverClan were starting to go hungry since the fish were disappearing. I doubt they could have stayed. I mean, even if only a couple of trees were torn down in ThunderClan- that was still enough to cause Ferncloud to almost lose her entire litter and the clan to be starving. And ThunderClan already had enough problem surviving leaf-bare before. "barely touched" seems kinda of an understatement- even if the manga is false. ...maybe it was a writing mistake or something? You got to take into consideration that RF takes place at least two years after the Clans left. Which left plenty of time for prey, and vegetation to regrow. Rouges, Loners, Kittypet's, etc. have made homes within the old forest since the Clans were gone. Graystripe's Manga trilogy, was roughly 6-8 months after the Clans left, in which, the forest was still recovering from the damage. Perhaps the Erins forgot the destruction? Or that the manga depicted TC and RC territory completely wiped out? Regardless, it Raven goes back to the old TC camp, and find everything in tact still--aside from overgrown vegetation. It isn't the first time the Erins have been inconsistent. Ah, that's true- I often forget the time-line for some of these books. It's hard to keep track. So yeah, it's possible. And yeah, since the manga often mistakes certain things, like pelt colors and such, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a mistake. |
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