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Post by Aqua on Oct 6, 2021 18:08:33 GMT -5
Do you think many cats respect Squirrelflight?
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Post by ˈʔɛɱb̪ɻ̩f̞ʊt̠̚ on Oct 6, 2021 21:10:18 GMT -5
Do you think many cats respect Squirrelflight? If they do, they must be mentally ill.
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Post by cable on Oct 6, 2021 22:25:59 GMT -5
Do you think many cats respect Squirrelflight? If they do, they must be mentally ill.hey can we not use mental illness as an insult anyways re: the question given squirrels history id assume she sits about neutral. she helped lead the clans to the lake but was also know for a particularly infamous example of code-breaking. as of tbc id assume her rep has gone down significantly.
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Post by ˈʔɛɱb̪ɻ̩f̞ʊt̠̚ on Oct 6, 2021 22:32:26 GMT -5
If they do, they must be mentally ill.hey can we not use mental illness as an insult anyways re: the question given squirrels history id assume she sits about neutral. she helped lead the clans to the lake but was also know for a particularly infamous example of code-breaking. as of tbc id assume her rep has gone down significantly. You're right, I'm sorry. I just really dislike her, but what I said was uncalled for.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Oct 6, 2021 22:46:11 GMT -5
If they do, they must be mentally ill.hey can we not use mental illness as an insult anyways re: the question given squirrels history id assume she sits about neutral. she helped lead the clans to the lake but was also know for a particularly infamous example of code-breaking. as of tbc id assume her rep has gone down significantly. i agree with this. TBC is where squirrelflight is at her worst. the most selfish, nonsensicle, and arrogant squirrelflight has ever been. this isnt about her rejecting ashfur bc i'd never blame her for that, but i am blaming her for being selfish about bramblestar's body and not giving anyone a second option. all she does in TBC is complain and throw herself pity parties.
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Post by cable on Oct 6, 2021 22:50:44 GMT -5
hey can we not use mental illness as an insult anyways re: the question given squirrels history id assume she sits about neutral. she helped lead the clans to the lake but was also know for a particularly infamous example of code-breaking. as of tbc id assume her rep has gone down significantly. i agree with this. TBC is where squirrelflight is at her worst. the most selfish, nonsensicle, and arrogant squirrelflight has ever been. this isnt about her rejecting ashfur bc i'd never blame her for that, but i am blaming her for being selfish about bramblestar's body and not giving anyone a second option. all she does in TBC is complain and throw herself pity parties. i dont dislike squirrel in tbc and in fact understand where shes coming from. her flaws make her interesting to me and shes definitely climbed the ranks of my most liked characters. my opinion came more from how the cats around the lake would view her. regardless, i still really like her in tbc and find her motives and actions believable. i dont mind if a character behaves badly so long as i can see their logical throughline and they offer progression to the plot (or are just really funny, like berrynose).
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Post by Rainsplash on Oct 7, 2021 5:39:30 GMT -5
I think so
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Oct 7, 2021 9:22:43 GMT -5
I imagine she used to have a lot of respect, being Firestar's daughter and one of the important sun-drown-place journey cats, but she's lost a decent amount of respect over time.
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Oct 7, 2021 9:48:15 GMT -5
I'd think so since a lot of cats tried her solutions to save bramblestar, even if they were doubtful. TBC was just when she was at her worse, and I think the other clan-cats understand that.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Oct 7, 2021 16:04:11 GMT -5
I fully agree with cable on this matter. Squirrelflight is known among the Clans for being one of the cats who led them to their new home in the lake territories but she also was involved in the CrowLeaf and their half Clan kits scandal so her previously good reputation not only suffered from that but how she more recently sided with the Sisters instead of the Clans as well.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Oct 7, 2021 19:13:35 GMT -5
They definitely do, Squirrelflight has done a lot of pretty important and respectable things over her lifetime that has settled down into Clan lore and will for a very long time.
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Post by Chicken on Oct 8, 2021 12:20:12 GMT -5
Yeah, but I honestly don't understand why since she got to where she is now by lying and manipulating.
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Post by cable on Oct 8, 2021 14:00:14 GMT -5
Yeah, but I honestly don't understand why since she got to where she is now by lying and manipulating. - father is firestar - helped lead the clans to the lake - while she lied about the kits, she raised them to be generally respectable cats and loved them like her own, something anybody can respect - she lied not out of greed or selfishness but for the sake of leafpool and the love she had for her sister, which likely softened the blow to some - helped gain skyclan new territory and averted war around the lake, which would again soften the blow of her siding with the sisters
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Oct 8, 2021 14:06:25 GMT -5
Yeah, but I honestly don't understand why since she got to where she is now by lying and manipulating. - father is firestar - helped lead the clans to the lake - while she lied about the kits, she raised them to be generally respectable cats and loved them like her own, something anybody can respect - she lied not out of greed or selfishness but for the sake of leafpool and the love she had for her sister, which likely softened the blow to some - helped gain skyclan new territory and averted war around the lake, which would again soften the blow of her siding with the sisters she wasnt even supposed to be on the journey to find the lake in the first place. she nagged and blackmailed brambleclaw into letting her go for literally no reason other than she's nosy and bratty. she only agreed to help leafpool when she was told she herself was baren. sure, she loved the kits as soon as she saw them, but it doesnt change that she took them in just because she knew she couldnt have her own (at the moment). squirrelflight always claims to do bad things in the name of justice or "whats right" but the way she goes about it is all wrong and selfish. it's always her way is right, damn everyone else who has another option to consider. she's been selfish her whole life. if it werent for squirrelflight, the sisters wouldnt have been endangered in the first place. the conflict in her own SE is literally her own fault for being so selfish and betraying her LEADERR. not as her mate, but bramblestar as her LEADER. healthy amounts of disagreeing and differing perspective is fine in a deputy, but not to the ridiculous degree squirrelflight pulled in her SE. she crossed the line many times. i agree with chicken obviously. squirrelflight never truly earned respect. she was just handed it like she was handed deputyship on a silver platter in the guise of an apology gift.
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Post by cable on Oct 8, 2021 14:15:44 GMT -5
- father is firestar - helped lead the clans to the lake - while she lied about the kits, she raised them to be generally respectable cats and loved them like her own, something anybody can respect - she lied not out of greed or selfishness but for the sake of leafpool and the love she had for her sister, which likely softened the blow to some - helped gain skyclan new territory and averted war around the lake, which would again soften the blow of her siding with the sisters she wasnt even supposed to be on the journey to find the lake in the first place. she nagged and blackmailed brambleclaw into letting her go for literally no reason other than she's nosy and bratty. she only agreed to help leafpool when she was told she herself was baren. sure, she loved the kits as soon as she saw them, but it doesnt change that she took them in just because she knew she couldnt have her own (at the moment). squirrelflight always claims to do bad things in the name of justice or "whats right" but the way she goes about it is all wrong and selfish. it's always her way is right, damn everyone else who has another option to consider. she's been selfish her whole life. if it werent for squirrelflight, the sisters wouldnt have been endangered in the first place. the conflict in her own SE is literally her own fault for being so selfish and betraying her LEADERR. not as her mate, but bramblestar as her LEADER. healthy amounts of disagreeing and differing perspective is fine in a deputy, but not to the ridiculous degree squirrelflight pulled in her SE. she crossed the line many times. i agree with chicken obviously. squirrelflight never truly earned respect. she was just handed it like she was handed deputyship on a silver platter in the guise of an apology gift. squirrel being willing to go on the journey without starclan telling her arguably makes her actions more brave. like this was literally leaving everything she knew and heading into the unknown. even after being told she was barren and starclan telling her to take the kits. she was reluctant. it ultimately was a matter of doing it for her sister.
if squirrel hadnt looked for territory war literally would have started at the lake over the shuffled borders and skyclan might have been driven out again. the only reason the clan started considering taking that territory is because squirrel actually scouted it.
her deputyship was handed to her but she worked hard for the respect she did have otherwise. she served her clan loyally for seasons, stuck her neck out for her sister despite her own doubts, and averted war and a second skyclan exile. and regardless of whether she was supposed to be on the journey or not, it doesnt change that she literally saved tawnypelts life on the way and helped guide the clans?
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Oct 8, 2021 14:28:07 GMT -5
she wasnt even supposed to be on the journey to find the lake in the first place. she nagged and blackmailed brambleclaw into letting her go for literally no reason other than she's nosy and bratty. she only agreed to help leafpool when she was told she herself was baren. sure, she loved the kits as soon as she saw them, but it doesnt change that she took them in just because she knew she couldnt have her own (at the moment). squirrelflight always claims to do bad things in the name of justice or "whats right" but the way she goes about it is all wrong and selfish. it's always her way is right, damn everyone else who has another option to consider. she's been selfish her whole life. if it werent for squirrelflight, the sisters wouldnt have been endangered in the first place. the conflict in her own SE is literally her own fault for being so selfish and betraying her LEADERR. not as her mate, but bramblestar as her LEADER. healthy amounts of disagreeing and differing perspective is fine in a deputy, but not to the ridiculous degree squirrelflight pulled in her SE. she crossed the line many times. i agree with chicken obviously. squirrelflight never truly earned respect. she was just handed it like she was handed deputyship on a silver platter in the guise of an apology gift. squirrel being willing to go on the journey without starclan telling her arguably makes her actions more brave. like this was literally leaving everything she knew and heading into the unknown. even after being told she was barren and starclan telling her to take the kits. she was reluctant. it ultimately was a matter of doing it for her sister.
if squirrel hadnt looked for territory war literally would have started at the lake over the shuffled borders and skyclan might have been driven out again. the only reason the clan started considering taking that territory is because squirrel actually scouted it.
her deputyship was handed to her but she worked hard for the respect she did have otherwise. she served her clan loyally for seasons, stuck her neck out for her sister despite her own doubts, and averted war and a second skyclan exile. and regardless of whether she was supposed to be on the journey or not, it doesnt change that she literally saved tawnypelts life on the way and helped guide the clans?
agree to disagree. squirrelflight is just an awful character to me and that will never change. she's selfish and bratty. she's stagnant and never truly changes. she's always rewarded undeservingly which makes her outright unlikeable.
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Post by Chicken on Oct 10, 2021 10:51:46 GMT -5
squirrel being willing to go on the journey without starclan telling her arguably makes her actions more brave. like this was literally leaving everything she knew and heading into the unknown. even after being told she was barren and starclan telling her to take the kits. she was reluctant. it ultimately was a matter of doing it for her sister.
if squirrel hadnt looked for territory war literally would have started at the lake over the shuffled borders and skyclan might have been driven out again. the only reason the clan started considering taking that territory is because squirrel actually scouted it.
her deputyship was handed to her but she worked hard for the respect she did have otherwise. she served her clan loyally for seasons, stuck her neck out for her sister despite her own doubts, and averted war and a second skyclan exile. and regardless of whether she was supposed to be on the journey or not, it doesnt change that she literally saved tawnypelts life on the way and helped guide the clans?
agree to disagree. squirrelflight is just an awful character to me and that will never change. she's selfish and bratty. she's stagnant and never truly changes. she's always rewarded undeservingly which makes her outright unlikeable. Exactly this. I'm so tired of main characters, or really pretty much any deputy/leader being rebellious, and then getting rewarded for it. I know Squirrelflight has never broken the code, but pretty much all the other leaders/deputies have. Can we at least have one POV leader who hasn't broken the code?
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Post by Cloudstorm on Oct 10, 2021 12:52:33 GMT -5
I’m Sure she used to have Respect from the other clans . And I know she still has some from being one of the original Cats that went to the sun drown Place, and her “EXPERIENCES “ (which she doesn’t seem Grow/develop/learn from any of them) . But as of lately considering even a lot of thunderclan is questioning the validity of her status , and don’t have much real respect for her , since she’s made far too many horrible decisions in her life . Is blatantly so self-conceited and brattish and is practically incapable of Considering others opinions except her own most of the time(which when she was an Apprentice was fine , but she’s supposed to be a Grown-A$$ Adult now , and should have matured ages ago.) and she has broken code , since constantly going behind Bramblestars back and breaking his Direct orders , which the Leaders word is Law , is breaking the code . she’s been undeservingly rewarded for her Foolish behavior for years and Sadly probably isn’t going to change anytime soon . Gotta say though was refreshing seeing Thornclaw question the obvious Bias thunderclan has with appointing members of the same family into Power ( I mean last None Firekin/Tigerkin leader was Bluestar , last medicine Cat was Cinderpelt , last deputy was whitestorm and Graystripe)
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Post by Chicken on Oct 10, 2021 13:35:34 GMT -5
I’m Sure she used to have Respect from the other clans . And I know she still has some from being one of the original Cats that went to the sun drown Place, and her “EXPERIENCES “ (which she doesn’t seem Grow/develop/learn from any of them) . But as of lately considering even a lot of thunderclan is questioning the validity of her status , and don’t have much real respect for her , since she’s made far too many horrible decisions in her life . Is blatantly so self-conceited and brattish and is practically incapable of Considering others opinions except her own most of the time(which when she was an Apprentice was fine , but she’s supposed to be a Grown-A$$ Adult now , and should have matured ages ago.) and she has broken code , since constantly going behind Bramblestars back and breaking his Direct orders , which the Leaders word is Law , is breaking the code . she’s been undeservingly rewarded for her Foolish behavior for years and Sadly probably isn’t going to change anytime soon . Gotta say though was refreshing seeing Thornclaw question the obvious Bias thunderclan has with appointing members of the same family into Power ( I mean last None Firekin/Tigerkin leader was Bluestar , last medicine Cat was Cinderpelt , last deputy was whitestorm and Graystripe) Oh yeah, you're right! Going behind Bramblestar's back is breaking the code! That code is a hindrance though, so I usually ignore it, but technically, it's still breaking the code.
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Oct 10, 2021 17:21:46 GMT -5
I think she at least has some respect, but not as much in the past.
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Post by tallshadowstar on Oct 10, 2021 22:06:10 GMT -5
She doesn't get the respect that she quite frankly deserves at this point.
Yes, she's rebellious and goes against orders. But you know who else did that? Her dad. Firestar committed what basically amounts to treason numerous times before he even became leader, and yet I never hear much about his rebellious nature.
Squirrelflight has been shown time and time again as a competent warrior and deputy. She's really a lot like Firestar - she always does what she believes to be the morally right thing, even if it goes against the Code.
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Post by Aqua on Oct 10, 2021 22:34:49 GMT -5
She doesn't get the respect that she quite frankly deserves at this point. Yes, she's rebellious and goes against orders. But you know who else did that? Her dad. Firestar committed what basically amounts to treason numerous times before he even became leader, and yet I never hear much about his rebellious nature. Squirrelflight has been shown time and time again as a competent warrior and deputy. She's really a lot like Firestar - she always does what she believes to be the morally right thing, even if it goes against the Code. People don't complain about Firestar because he was actually respectful about everything. He has a very calm nature, while Squirrelflight is impulsive and doesn't think twice about what she says. Squirrelflight is disrespectful and does things behind everyone's backs, while Firestar was at least reasonable about his actions and actually thinks twice before making the action. They're nothing alike. She's very hotheaded and arrogant, while Firestar was more levelheaded, reasonable, and calm.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Oct 10, 2021 22:37:20 GMT -5
She doesn't get the respect that she quite frankly deserves at this point. Yes, she's rebellious and goes against orders. But you know who else did that? Her dad. Firestar committed what basically amounts to treason numerous times before he even became leader, and yet I never hear much about his rebellious nature. Squirrelflight has been shown time and time again as a competent warrior and deputy. She's really a lot like Firestar - she always does what she believes to be the morally right thing, even if it goes against the Code. People don't complain about Firestar because he was actually respectful about everything. He has a very calm nature, while Squirrelflight is impulsive and doesn't think twice about what she says. Squirrelflight is disrespectful and does things behind everyone's backs, while Firestar was at least reasonable about his actions and actually thinks twice before making the action. They're nothing alike. She's very hotheaded and arrogant, while Firestar was more levelheaded, reasonable, and calm. i was gonna reply to say this same thing! good thing ur reply was worded way better than what i would have said lol. my perspective as a squirrelflight hater: firestar was never arrogant like squirrelflight. he was actually open to others words, feelings and thoughts. he's just more considerate. with squirrelflight, it's always "i'm right. you're wrong and i dont care what you think. we're doing this MY way or no way at all" with her.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Oct 11, 2021 0:35:19 GMT -5
People don't complain about Firestar because he was actually respectful about everything. He has a very calm nature, while Squirrelflight is impulsive and doesn't think twice about what she says. Squirrelflight is disrespectful and does things behind everyone's backs, while Firestar was at least reasonable about his actions and actually thinks twice before making the action. They're nothing alike. She's very hotheaded and arrogant, while Firestar was more levelheaded, reasonable, and calm. i was gonna reply to say this same thing! good thing ur reply was worded way better than what i would have said lol. my perspective as a squirrelflight hater: firestar was never arrogant like squirrelflight. he was actually open to others words, feelings and thoughts. he's just more considerate. with squirrelflight, it's always "i'm right. you're wrong and i dont care what you think. we're doing this MY way or no way at all" with her. Aqua and lady of Fandoms Nailed it right on the coffin . While both Firestar and Squirrelflight have had there rebellious moments , Firestar was far more levelheaded, reasonable and actually was Pensive about his actions , and weighed out the possibilities and potential Consequences of both following through his actions and following Bluestars Orders , which to as we know was in a Very troubled Mental state by the time Firestar is Made deputy , so she wasn’t really in a state to be leading at that point anyway. Firestar rebelled against her orders for the Benefit of all the Clans , always kept the Clans well-being foremost in his mind while making Decisions . While Squirrelflight in Comparison is Stubborn, self-opinionated , Arrogant, borderline narcissistic, and Super impulsive making decisions . And she’s too prideful to listen to others Opinions as has been stated numerous times “ it’s either my way , or no way “ , and while a lot of her irrational and Stupid Decisions do somehow leads to a messy ending with her being Right according to the Narrative when morally she isn’t . There’s a Difference between Rebelling against a borderline Corrupted leader to do what’s right , and Simply to Arrogant and Prideful to listen to others opinions , and not Being able Handle that your in the Wrong , which is often the case with Squirrelflight, she must come out on top in a Argument regardless weather she’s right or not . And while there are qualities that she Possesses that still makes me Like her , she never should of been placed in any position of authority , and the Prospect of Squirrelstar Being a possibility at the End of TBC is truly frightening , and makes me cringe at just the slightest implication of it . If bramblestar does end up sacrificing himself in ALiTM , then Squirrelflight either needs to go Down with him , or Resign as Deputy . Cause she’d make a Terrible leader at this point .
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Oct 11, 2021 6:55:03 GMT -5
She doesn't get the respect that she quite frankly deserves at this point. Yes, she's rebellious and goes against orders. But you know who else did that? Her dad. Firestar committed what basically amounts to treason numerous times before he even became leader, and yet I never hear much about his rebellious nature. Squirrelflight has been shown time and time again as a competent warrior and deputy. She's really a lot like Firestar - she always does what she believes to be the morally right thing, even if it goes against the Code. I think the Firestar argument doesn't really work in this instance and I'm surprised to still see quite a lot of people use it. What I'm agreeing with though is that both Firestar and Squirrelflight went behind their Clans and leaders backs not because of selfish intentions but due to them wanting to do what is right and thinking they were doing the correct thing which in most cases, was actually true. But the argument of "Fireheart also went against Bluestar's orders as her deputy so why doesn't he get called out just like his daughter Squirrelflight?" isn't fully possible or even compareable as there is the very simple reason with Bluestar's mental instability (later confirmed by the writers to be dementia). One can find quite a few faults regarding Bramblestar but being mentally unstable isn't one of them.
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Post by cable on Oct 11, 2021 12:48:54 GMT -5
hey besties just got back from lake survey research <3 the real reason squirrel is so respected is because she always pays with credit card while her sister wants to get rid of all her loose change and forces service workers fo count out $40 in ones. hope this helps xoxoxo
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