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Post by Aqua on Oct 5, 2021 16:19:07 GMT -5
Be respectful in the comments about Graystripe. If someone thinks he isn't a good father, it's okay. Respect others' opinions please. Thank you!
What do you think? Has Graystripe been a good father to all of his kits?
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Oct 5, 2021 16:25:01 GMT -5
yeah im not gonna be a broken record, but i hate graystripe and view him as an awful father. add on top that the writers were lazy and never included him in the 3B's plotlines like they did with millie...it's just awful all around imo
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Post by cable on Oct 5, 2021 16:46:00 GMT -5
he was a pretty good dad to storm and feather, and they clearly think very fondly of him. i dont think its really fair to judge him with the the blossom and briar situation given he was a complete background character by that point tbh, but i also cant provide a defense for the same reason.
with this gap in mind, id give him a "hes alright"
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Post by Moonblazer on Oct 5, 2021 16:50:03 GMT -5
Graystripe’s Vow canonically proved he loved both his mates and all of his kits equally, and he was a great father when he was more of a main character, so I see no reason that has to change. He was a great father to me. Canon proved this and I loved it.
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Post by cable on Oct 5, 2021 16:51:55 GMT -5
Graystripe’s Vow canonically proved he loved both his mates and all of his kits equally, and he was a great father when he was more of a main character, so I see no reason that has to change. He was a great father to me. Canon proved this and I loved it. aw, man, i cant believe i forgot about graystripes vow. i loved that book but it keeps slipping my mind for some reason. yeah, his kits and mates all adored him in that.
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Post by Moonblazer on Oct 5, 2021 17:04:31 GMT -5
Graystripe’s Vow canonically proved he loved both his mates and all of his kits equally, and he was a great father when he was more of a main character, so I see no reason that has to change. He was a great father to me. Canon proved this and I loved it. aw, man, i cant believe i forgot about graystripes vow. i loved that book but it keeps slipping my mind for some reason. yeah, his kits and mates all adored him in that. It gives me hope that GraySilverMillie polyamorous endgame is possible in Starclan when Graystripe dies. That SE was wonderful and I’m so glad they assured that he loved all his kits equally.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Oct 5, 2021 17:09:27 GMT -5
Graystripe’s Vow canonically proved he loved both his mates and all of his kits equally, and he was a great father when he was more of a main character, so I see no reason that has to change. He was a great father to me. Canon proved this and I loved it. to me, i consider it telling, not showing. millie wasnt ever a main character, and yet she always got mentions when it came to briar and blossom. so why not the same thing for graystripe? blossomfall even had a lot of screentime, and yet the only focus was on millie...did they forget graystripe is her dad? was it just pure laziness to not include graystripe doing or saying anything concerning blossom's subplot? there is no excuse or explanation for why graystripe wasnt SHOWN being a good dad to the 3B's. i dont care what graystripe's SE says. there's no action to back it up in OotS (on sceen) when it should have mattered
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Post by Moonblazer on Oct 5, 2021 17:29:46 GMT -5
Graystripe’s Vow canonically proved he loved both his mates and all of his kits equally, and he was a great father when he was more of a main character, so I see no reason that has to change. He was a great father to me. Canon proved this and I loved it. to me, i consider it telling, not showing. millie wasnt ever a main character, and yet she always got mentions when it came to briar and blossom. so why not the same thing for graystripe? blossomfall even had a lot of screentime, and yet the only focus was on millie...did they forget graystripe is her dad? was it just pure laziness to not include graystripe doing or saying anything concerning blossom's subplot? there is no excuse or explanation for why graystripe wasnt SHOWN being a good dad to the 3B's. i dont care what graystripe's SE says. there's no action to back it up in OotS (on sceen) when it should have mattered Literally lazy writing then. Does it matter? You clearly despise the character and will state blatant canon as mere telling so idk what to tell you lmao. I mean I could accuse every tom who wasn’t with his kits 24/7 of being a horrible father. Oh man. Whitestorm was a horrible father. Man, where were Cloudtail and Brightheart interacting with Dew, Amber and Snow when they were adults? Awful awful parents, god they neglected their kits. Awful. It’s just blatantly out of character and breaks years of canon evidence that Graystripe is clearly capable of loving his kits and mate with all his heart. Why would he suddenly not now??? It makes literally 0 sense to his character? But you do you, and agree to disagree I guess. Wasn’t looking for a debate on canon evidence either way
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Oct 5, 2021 17:37:49 GMT -5
to me, i consider it telling, not showing. millie wasnt ever a main character, and yet she always got mentions when it came to briar and blossom. so why not the same thing for graystripe? blossomfall even had a lot of screentime, and yet the only focus was on millie...did they forget graystripe is her dad? was it just pure laziness to not include graystripe doing or saying anything concerning blossom's subplot? there is no excuse or explanation for why graystripe wasnt SHOWN being a good dad to the 3B's. i dont care what graystripe's SE says. there's no action to back it up in OotS (on sceen) when it should have mattered Literally lazy writing then. Does it matter? You clearly despise the character and will state blatant canon as mere telling so idk what to tell you lmao. I mean I could accuse every tom who wasn’t with his kits 24/7 of being a horrible father. Oh man. Whitestorm was a horrible father. Man, where were Cloudtail and Brightheart interacting with Dew, Amber and Snow when they were adults? Awful awful parents, god they neglected their kits. Awful. It’s just blatantly out of character and breaks years of canon evidence that Graystripe is clearly capable of loving his kits and mate with all his heart. Why would he suddenly not now??? It makes literally 0 sense to his character? But you do you, and agree to disagree I guess. Wasn’t looking for a debate on canon evidence either way it's literally not hard to write graystripe doing something in passing with one of his kits to SHOW he's there and actually doing something. being a background character is not an excuse and i will never see it. they can use his name to show him doing stuff in passing in a any paragraphs. but yeah, agree to disagree. i just wanted to discuss that part of the argument.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Oct 5, 2021 17:47:58 GMT -5
Yes, he is. For the longest time I thought Graystripe loved his first litter more than his second one. But then Moonblazer made a really good point about how him not being shown as interacting with the three Bs that much doesn't mean he was a bad father to them. He just became more of a background character after the first arc and thus didn't get shown as often. Millie's interactions with them after Briarlight had her accident were a role given to her by the narrative so she got some more spotlight as the (over)protective parent. I'm actually glad they didn't give that role to Graystripe again as he already had it with Stormfur and Feathertail during TPB.
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Oct 5, 2021 17:49:24 GMT -5
From what I've read, he's been alright.
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Post by Rainfire on Oct 5, 2021 19:15:55 GMT -5
Yes, I think he's a good dad! I love his moments with Feathertail and Stormfur and while he didn't get as much focus with Bumble, Blossom, and Briar, GV and everything else gives me no doubt that he's a good father to them to.
I still would've loved to see more interactions with him and his second litter. I honestly sorta like the idea of Bumblestripe and/or Blossomfall accompanying him on his journey in GV.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 5, 2021 19:46:31 GMT -5
I think he's a good father, and his SE showed just how much he loved his family. Besides, there are much worse examples in this series than him, lol.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Oct 6, 2021 8:45:14 GMT -5
He's an alright father. While he was a good father to Storm and Feather, he was just average with Bumble, Blossom, and Briar. He could have been better.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Oct 6, 2021 9:02:12 GMT -5
Agree with 🔥Firestar🔥. A good father to his first litter, average with his second. I feel like he should have been more involved with the three B's lives, especially Blossomfall's.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Oct 6, 2021 17:45:18 GMT -5
Yes, Graystripe is a good father. Although I wish that he'd interacted a little bit more with BlossomBumbleBriar, reading his SE makes me know that he really does love all his kits.
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