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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Oct 5, 2021 1:23:40 GMT -5
while i was going through the wiki during my family tree making today, i realized that marshcloud (fallowtail's brother. he's the uncle to willowbreeze and graypool) is said to be in the dark forest. but im taking that with a grain of salt because it's under the continuity clause, meaning it can be considered not canon anymore because it was only something vicky said a long time ago.
so if this was gonna be canon, then im just wondering what could he have done to end up there? i dont even think he was in crookedstar's promise but he's on the wiki as fallow and cedar's sibling? does he only exist on the official tree or something?
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Post by cable on Oct 5, 2021 1:35:48 GMT -5
warriors website family tree lists him as a starclan member, so id assume thats whats to be taken as canon
if it was, itd have to be something minor given we dont know of any major tragedies (murders, betrayals, etc) that occured around that time. probably something like training in he dark forest.
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Post by Rainsplash on Oct 5, 2021 5:02:42 GMT -5
I think Marshcloud being a Dark Forest member was by Su Susann.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Oct 5, 2021 6:07:48 GMT -5
Anything Su Susann (the superfan) has ever said is no longer considered as canon. Didn't Vicky Holmes throw her under the bus after the Spottedleaf's Heart controversy?
Marshcloud so far has only shown up in the preview of Crookedstar's Promise at the end of SkyClan's Destiny where he is seen carrying reeds with Timberfur instead of Cedarpelt which was a continuity mistake. He is also listed as a RiverClan warrior in the allegiances of Tallstar's Revenge. Other than that, he is shown as a StarClan member both in the official family tree on the Warrior Cats website and on the Warriors Wiki.
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Post by Flamefrost on Oct 5, 2021 6:41:40 GMT -5
Ok so, I've read up on Marshcloud and the general time he was alive, so here is my theory:
Marshcloud intentionally poisoned the river near Sunningrocks as an attack on ThunderClan.
Marshcloud was alive during the Great Hunger (See Pinestar and Goosefeather's novellas), where food was scarce for all Clans. ThunderClan, in their desperation, decided to try fishing in patches of broken ice. This enraged Marshcloud, who argued that they were stealing RiverClan prey (Much like Leopardstar did in TFA). He argued with Volestar (the current leader) to attack, but was rejected as RiverClan wasn't faring much better.
Reasoning that his Clan hardly hunted that far down the river due to territorial disputes with ThunderClan, and spotting some Twolegs with some sticky substance that makes fire (gasoline, which poisoned RC in TNP), he drags a can and let's it pour out into the TC fishing holes. Of course, whilst having devastating consequences on ThunderClan, the plan also backfires as RiverClan gets poisoned.
Cedarpelt figures out what he's done, and tracks down Marshcloud as he's planning to "top-up" alongside Volestar and Fallowtail. They confront him, and Volestar exiles him. Marshcloud, panicking, refuses to leave and attacks and kills Volestar. Whilst Volestar is regenerating, Marshcloud tries to convince his siblings to finish their leader off and cover for him. They refuse, and end up having to kill him. When Volestar wakes up, they explained what happened and plead to let Marshcloud be remembered as a good warrior. Volestar agrees, and tells the Clan that he became a loner in hopes of finding food elsewhere. The secret eats at Fallowtail, who ends up becoming distant from her Clan and finding comfort elsewhere, namely the WindClan warrior Reedfeather.
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Post by ˈʔɛɱb̪ɻ̩f̞ʊt̠̚ on Oct 5, 2021 11:01:06 GMT -5
Ok so, I've read up on Marshcloud and the general time he was alive, so here is my theory: Marshcloud intentionally poisoned the river near Sunningrocks as an attack on ThunderClan. Marshcloud was alive during the Great Hunger (See Pinestar and Goosefeather's novellas), where food was scarce for all Clans. ThunderClan, in their desperation, decided to try fishing in patches of broken ice. This enraged Marshcloud, who argued that they were stealing RiverClan prey (Much like Leopardstar did in TFA). He argued with Volestar (the current leader) to attack, but was rejected as RiverClan wasn't faring much better. Reasoning that his Clan hardly hunted that far down the river due to territorial disputes with ThunderClan, and spotting some Twolegs with some sticky substance that makes fire (gasoline, which poisoned RC in TNP), he drags a can and let's it pour out into the TC fishing holes. Of course, whilst having devastating consequences on ThunderClan, the plan also backfires as RiverClan gets poisoned. Cedarpelt figures out what he's done, and tracks down Marshcloud as he's planning to "top-up" alongside Volestar and Fallowtail. They confront him, and Volestar exiles him. Marshcloud, panicking, refuses to leave and attacks and kills Volestar. Whilst Volestar is regenerating, Marshcloud tries to convince his siblings to finish their leader off and cover for him. They refuse, and end up having to kill him. When Volestar wakes up, they explained what happened and plead to let Marshcloud be remembered as a good warrior. Volestar agrees, and tells the Clan that he became a loner in hopes of finding food elsewhere. The secret eats at Fallowtail, who ends up becoming distant from her Clan and finding comfort elsewhere, namely the WindClan warrior Reedfeather. That... is a really good explanation. The fact that I headcanon Marsh, Fallow, and Cedar as kits of Volestar and Shyheart makes it even better.
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Post by Flamefrost on Oct 5, 2021 12:39:27 GMT -5
Ok so, I've read up on Marshcloud and the general time he was alive, so here ... That... is a really good explanation. The fact that I headcanon Marsh, Fallow, and Cedar as kits of Volestar and Shyheart makes it even better. Ahaha thank you! I really like your headcanon and it makes a lot of sense (Both Fallowtail and Cedarpelt are super well respected in CR, even when the former has halfclan kits). I really like making short stories for background characters.
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Post by ˈʔɛɱb̪ɻ̩f̞ʊt̠̚ on Oct 5, 2021 14:28:29 GMT -5
That... is a really good explanation. The fact that I headcanon Marsh, Fallow, and Cedar as kits of Volestar and Shyheart makes it even better. Ahaha thank you! I really like your headcanon and it makes a lot of sense (Both Fallowtail and Cedarpelt are super well respected in CR, even when the former has halfclan kits). I really like making short stories for background characters. Please, message me and tell me more!
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Oct 5, 2021 15:48:51 GMT -5
Ok so, I've read up on Marshcloud and the general time he was alive, so here is my theory: Marshcloud intentionally poisoned the river near Sunningrocks as an attack on ThunderClan. Marshcloud was alive during the Great Hunger (See Pinestar and Goosefeather's novellas), where food was scarce for all Clans. ThunderClan, in their desperation, decided to try fishing in patches of broken ice. This enraged Marshcloud, who argued that they were stealing RiverClan prey (Much like Leopardstar did in TFA). He argued with Volestar (the current leader) to attack, but was rejected as RiverClan wasn't faring much better. Reasoning that his Clan hardly hunted that far down the river due to territorial disputes with ThunderClan, and spotting some Twolegs with some sticky substance that makes fire (gasoline, which poisoned RC in TNP), he drags a can and let's it pour out into the TC fishing holes. Of course, whilst having devastating consequences on ThunderClan, the plan also backfires as RiverClan gets poisoned. Cedarpelt figures out what he's done, and tracks down Marshcloud as he's planning to "top-up" alongside Volestar and Fallowtail. They confront him, and Volestar exiles him. Marshcloud, panicking, refuses to leave and attacks and kills Volestar. Whilst Volestar is regenerating, Marshcloud tries to convince his siblings to finish their leader off and cover for him. They refuse, and end up having to kill him. When Volestar wakes up, they explained what happened and plead to let Marshcloud be remembered as a good warrior. Volestar agrees, and tells the Clan that he became a loner in hopes of finding food elsewhere. The secret eats at Fallowtail, who ends up becoming distant from her Clan and finding comfort elsewhere, namely the WindClan warrior Reedfeather. That... is a really good explanation. The fact that I headcanon Marsh, Fallow, and Cedar as kits of Volestar and Shyheart makes it even better. i personally headcanon shyheart as male. but this is still a cool headcanon for marsh, fallow, and cedar. on my tree, i have mash, fallow, and cedar as the grandchildren of birdsong and tanglewhisker but with unnnamed parents
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Post by 𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥 on Oct 5, 2021 15:51:44 GMT -5
That... is a really good explanation. The fact that I headcanon Marsh, Fallow, and Cedar as kits of Volestar and Shyheart makes it even better. Ahaha thank you! I really like your headcanon and it makes a lot of sense (Both Fallowtail and Cedarpelt are super well respected in CR, even when the former has halfclan kits). I really like making short stories for background characters. I would absolutely love to hear your stories! You can message me if you want
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Post by ˈʔɛɱb̪ɻ̩f̞ʊt̠̚ on Oct 5, 2021 18:17:47 GMT -5
That... is a really good explanation. The fact that I headcanon Marsh, Fallow, and Cedar as kits of Volestar and Shyheart makes it even better. i personally headcanon shyheart as male. but this is still a cool headcanon for marsh, fallow, and cedar. on my tree, i have mash, fallow, and cedar as the grandchildren of birdsong and tanglewhisker but with unnnamed parents ... would that mean Volestar is the son of Tanglewhisker and Birdsong? That doesn't work in my tree. I actually have Volestar and Appledusk as littermates with birchstar as their mother, while Tangle x Bird had Ottersplash, lakeshine, and echomist. i also hc that birdsong's mom is milkfur 1, birdsong's sister is milkfur 2, and their aunt, milkfur's sis, is cloudberry.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Oct 5, 2021 19:19:55 GMT -5
i personally headcanon shyheart as male. but this is still a cool headcanon for marsh, fallow, and cedar. on my tree, i have mash, fallow, and cedar as the grandchildren of birdsong and tanglewhisker but with unnnamed parents ... would that mean Volestar is the son of Tanglewhisker and Birdsong? That doesn't work in my tree. I actually have Volestar and Appledusk as littermates with birchstar as their mother, while Tangle x Bird had Ottersplash, lakeshine, and echomist. i also hc that birdsong's mom is milkfur 1, birdsong's sister is milkfur 2, and their aunt, milkfur's sis, is cloudberry. i just double checked my old riverclan hc tree for this reply (idk if i still believe in some of these mostly bc i dont touch mapleshade's novella anymore. i usually start with crooked's SE instead now a days) i have: birdsong and volestar siblings and distantly related to appledusk through birchstar's line timberfur and owlfur as the kits of male shyheart mudfur as the kit of female applefrost brightsky and ottersplash r sisters, and their ancestors r from reedshine's side of the family due to bring ginger splashfoot and milkfur r the parents of duskwater. tanglewhisker and troutclaw r brothers duskwater and troutclaw r the parents of rippleclaw volestar as the dad of marsh , fallow ,and cedar splashtail and milkfur as the parents of perchpaw perchpaw from MV as the dad of hailstar and rainflower willownose x volestar as shellheart's parents rainfall x milkfur as the parents of echosnout. and one of echosnout's siblings is the direct ancestor to brambleberry shimmerpelt is the descendant of darkstar
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Post by ˈʔɛɱb̪ɻ̩f̞ʊt̠̚ on Oct 5, 2021 21:57:32 GMT -5
... would that mean Volestar is the son of Tanglewhisker and Birdsong? That doesn't work in my tree. I actually have Volestar and Appledusk as littermates with birchstar as their mother, while Tangle x Bird had Ottersplash, lakeshine, and echomist. i also hc that birdsong's mom is milkfur 1, birdsong's sister is milkfur 2, and their aunt, milkfur's sis, is cloudberry. i just double checked my old riverclan hc tree for this reply (idk if i still believe in some of these mostly bc i dont touch mapleshade's novella anymore. i usually start with crooked's SE instead now a days) i have: birdsong and volestar siblings and distantly related to appledusk through birchstar's line timberfur and owlfur as the kits of male shyheart mudfur as the kit of female applefrost brightsky and ottersplash r sisters, and their ancestors r from reedshine's side of the family due to bring ginger splashfoot and milkfur r the parents of duskwater. tanglewhisker and troutclaw r brothers duskwater and troutclaw r the parents of rippleclaw volestar as the dad of marsh , fallow ,and cedar splashtail and milkfur as the parents of perchpaw perchpaw from MV as the dad of hailstar and rainflower willownose x volestar as shellheart's parents rainfall x milkfur as the parents of echosnout. and one of echosnout's siblings is the direct ancestor to brambleberry shimmerpelt is the descendant of darkstar Nice!
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