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Post by Aqua on Oct 3, 2021 16:14:50 GMT -5
What do you think?
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Post by ˈʔɛɱb̪ɻ̩f̞ʊt̠̚ on Oct 3, 2021 16:17:47 GMT -5
As long as you don't act on it, no
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Post by ˈʔɛɱb̪ɻ̩f̞ʊt̠̚ on Oct 3, 2021 16:18:10 GMT -5
If you act on it, however, that is disloyal. The warrior code exist for a reason.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Oct 3, 2021 17:19:13 GMT -5
Nope, not at all imo.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 3, 2021 18:09:42 GMT -5
You can love a cat, just don't act on those feelings. It's why BristleRoot technically haven't broken the code yet, they have feelings for each other, but they're not breaking the code.
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Post by Chicken on Oct 3, 2021 18:17:36 GMT -5
Absolutely. You wouldn't have time to fall in love with them unless you were sneaking around with them, which that alone can cause trouble for the clans.
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Post by Rainsplash on Oct 3, 2021 18:25:29 GMT -5
I think the rule that cats shouldn't fall in love with cats outside their Clan is because it might confuse the cat's loyalties. Even if you just have feelings you'll probably hesitate on attacking them, so yes, it's disloyal.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Oct 3, 2021 18:58:56 GMT -5
yes. the clans were built off the very ideas of loyalty to the clan coming first. changing that part of the code will fundamentally ruin the clans and what they represent. the clans without loyalty are nothing more than rouges and loners without honor.
this is why im so against forbidden relationships, and why i want that part of the first code to remain. they HAVE to keep cross clan relationships forbidden or else, in my mind at least, the clans will fall apart at the seams. helping other clans is fine of course, but there should always be a boundry and line u cant cross unless u're willing to committ to a big life change.
thats why i like my version of the code, where it adds specifics to forbidden mates. if u want a mate thats from another clan, then u must come together, discuss ur futures, and a decision HAS to be made between the two: which of u will move clans and make a new oath of loyalty? if u cant decide that, then u have to break up and never see each other again. it's that simple.
there is no reason to not find a mate within ur own clan. finding happiness in ur own home, whether with a mate or being happy at home without a mate, it shouldnt be impossible to achieve. this is why im still mad that dovewing didnt even try to find happiness for herself at home in thunderclan. she could have hung out with her friends and peers more. she could have focused on being a warrior and find joy in the little things she does day to day. she could have done literally anything to be at peace in thunderclan without bumble annoying her, or without tigerfart invading her space and ruining all her efforts to move on.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Oct 3, 2021 20:31:19 GMT -5
Lady of Fandoms Said
thats why i like my version of the code, where it adds specifics to forbidden mates. if u want a mate thats from another clan, then u must come together, discuss ur futures, and a decision HAS to be made between the two: which of u will move clans and make a new oath of loyalty? if u cant decide that, then u have to break up and never see each other again. it's that simple.
Even in that scenario it’s going to be Incredibly difficult for whichever partner decides to swap Clans , to completely just familial Bonds/friendships and Relationships from there birth Clan Entirely , and be committed to being fully Loyal to there new clan , kinship runs deep. We’ve seen on Numerous occasions how negatively Cats have been from being forced to attack there family/siblings and forbidden mates in Battle from another clan , causes far too much heartache , and trauma in the end . I suppose I don’t oppose it entirely , but from what we’ve seen become of it in the series , the thought shouldn’t even be entertained at this Point , too avoid unnecessary heartbreaks .
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Oct 3, 2021 21:49:12 GMT -5
Even in that scenario it’s going to be Incredibly difficult for whichever partner decides to swap Clans , to completely just familial Bonds/friendships and Relationships from there birth Clan Entirely , and be committed to being fully Loyal to there new clan , kinship runs deep. We’ve seen on Numerous occasions how negatively Cats have been from being forced to attack there family/siblings and forbidden mates in Battle from another clan , causes far too much heartache , and trauma in the end . I suppose I don’t oppose it entirely , but from what we’ve seen become of it in the series , the thought shouldn’t even be entertained at this Point , too avoid unnecessary heartbreaks . thats why i want cross clan relationships to stay forbidden because if u force them to pick who gets to move to the others clan, it'll be difficult (just see the endless back and forth we got from dovewing and tigerheart throughout OotS!) this is also why forbidden relationships are awful unless you move clans. you only get to see your mate on special occasions, not daily life. so how do you know you're not falling for their facade? how will you know how they act with their clan mates in day to day activities? and like you said, it'll be hard for cats to face their kin from their original clan once they move, so can they REALLY say they love their forbidden mate if they aren't willing to leave everything and everyone behind? this is why dovewing's rude comment about thunderclan in squirrelflight's hope was harsh. at least it shows dovewing's total committment to leaving her entire family behind for her love (something tigerheart himself wasnt even able to do which is partly why they kept fighting and breaking up in OotS). but i think its implied dovewing still wants to see or at least be friendly with ivypool, so once again, dovewing's trying to have a paw in both worlds (have her cake and eat it too which is deeply selfish). forbidden relationships are the epitome of selfishness in this series. graystripe put himself and his feelings first which lead him to abandon his one and only apprentice to sneak off to see silverstream, even during broad daylight when they could easily be caught! leafpool, even though tricked by starclan, chose her heart in the heat of the moment, which was crowfeather, and it lead to cinderpelt dying, leaving thunderclan medicine catless (even though i love leaf x crow, i still know and understand it was selfish while it lasted, and i still believe forbidden relationships should stay forbidden). here's an obscure example: reedfeather and fallowtail, the parents of willowbreeze (silverstreams mom) and graypool. fallowtail and reedfeather's selfish relationship resulted in kits, and those kits were fought over. reedfeather almost died trying to keep them and raise them himself (which i believe he was entitled to, as the biological father, but he still went about it the wrong way). we have yet to see how dovewing would react if shadowclan and thunderclan ever had a major battle. i bet since she's still trying to be on good terms with ivypool, dovewing will struggle with what you've said. she'll not want to hurt her former clanmates, and that'll make her a traitor to SHADOWCLAN in that moment. this is why even moving clans isn't an instant fix, but if a cat is willing to make a new oath and heartlessly cast aside their former clanmates and kin in their original clan, then more power to them i guess, but it makes them heartless. their kin in their original clan should have a say, and their feelings of hurt and betrayal should matter. imagine your child leaves everything behind for some person they hardly know and move half way across the world to an enemy country? you'd feel betrayed and you'd be forced to live with the fact your child is now a traitor to the country.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Oct 3, 2021 23:40:51 GMT -5
Not inherently. But it's very likely to lead to disloyalty.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Oct 3, 2021 23:46:23 GMT -5
Even in that scenario it’s going to be Incredibly difficult for whichever partner decides to swap Clans , to completely just familial Bonds/friendships and Relationships from there birth Clan Entirely , and be committed to being fully Loyal to there new clan , kinship runs deep. We’ve seen on Numerous occasions how negatively Cats have been from being forced to attack there family/siblings and forbidden mates in Battle from another clan , causes far too much heartache , and trauma in the end . I suppose I don’t oppose it entirely , but from what we’ve seen become of it in the series , the thought shouldn’t even be entertained at this Point , too avoid unnecessary heartbreaks . thats why i want cross clan relationships to stay forbidden because if u force them to pick who gets to move to the others clan, it'll be difficult (just see the endless back and forth we got from dovewing and tigerheart throughout OotS!) this is also why forbidden relationships are awful unless you move clans. you only get to see your mate on special occasions, not daily life. so how do you know you're not falling for their facade? how will you know how they act with their clan mates in day to day activities? and like you said, it'll be hard for cats to face their kin from their original clan once they move, so can they REALLY say they love their forbidden mate if they aren't willing to leave everything and everyone behind? this is why dovewing's rude comment about thunderclan in squirrelflight's hope was harsh. at least it shows dovewing's total committment to leaving her entire family behind for her love (something tigerheart himself wasnt even able to do which is partly why they kept fighting and breaking up in OotS). but i think its implied dovewing still wants to see or at least be friendly with ivypool, so once again, dovewing's trying to have a paw in both worlds (have her cake and eat it too which is deeply selfish). forbidden relationships are the epitome of selfishness in this series. graystripe put himself and his feelings first which lead him to abandon his one and only apprentice to sneak off to see silverstream, even during broad daylight when they could easily be caught! leafpool, even though tricked by starclan, chose her heart in the heat of the moment, which was crowfeather, and it lead to cinderpelt dying, leaving thunderclan medicine catless (even though i love leaf x crow, i still know and understand it was selfish while it lasted, and i still believe forbidden relationships should stay forbidden). here's an obscure example: reedfeather and fallowtail, the parents of willowbreeze (silverstreams mom) and graypool. fallowtail and reedfeather's selfish relationship resulted in kits, and those kits were fought over. reedfeather almost died trying to keep them and raise them himself (which i believe he was entitled to, as the biological father, but he still went about it the wrong way). we have yet to see how dovewing would react if shadowclan and thunderclan ever had a major battle. i bet since she's still trying to be on good terms with ivypool, dovewing will struggle with what you've said. she'll not want to hurt her former clanmates, and that'll make her a traitor to SHADOWCLAN in that moment. this is why even moving clans isn't an instant fix, but if a cat is willing to make a new oath and heartlessly cast aside their former clanmates and kin in their original clan, then more power to them i guess, but it makes them heartless. their kin in their original clan should have a say, and their feelings of hurt and betrayal should matter. imagine your child leaves everything behind for some person they hardly know and move half way across the world to an enemy country? you'd feel betrayed and you'd be forced to live with the fact your child is now a traitor to the country. absolutely agree 100% . Forbidden Romances are “FORBIDDEN” for very Valid Reasons , and should Remain that way . And when push comes to Shove , how will Dovewing react if she’s forced to fight her sister , Mother , Father? Think of the Guilt and Trauma she’d feel (assuming she’s not completely Heartless ) is she was responsible for one of them Dying after a battle ? And it was her that inflicted the Wounds and in correlation , was the result of them dying , she’d be devastated I’d imagine , and honestly would think she’d be having second thoughts on her decision to join shadowclan (but knowing her ,maybe not). It’s this selfish, Heartless , and just Flagrant I don’t give a crap about anyone but myself attitude that makes me have Zero empathy whatsoever for Dovewing . And Tigerhearts so-called feelings were so blatantly Shallow, and Superficial for her , and that he’s only with her because it’s Convenient, plus the benefits of having a leverage to exploit , and take advantage of thunderclan because of her naive, foolish relationship with him. And honestly it Astounds me Dovewing ever even entertained the notion of getting back together with him after cutting it off in TLH . I truly thought she was gonna fix her relationship with her sister , and have a healthy relationship with Bumblestripe , and Find happiness in TC after reading Dovewings Silence , and tbh I was actually kinda beginning to like her In that book . But nope I guess she’d rather run away from her Problems and responsibilities just like in OoTS , and leave everyone that loves her in the Dust with no regards for there feelings , anyway I’m gonna end the rant there for now . Otherwise I know I’ll never stop , since Dovewing just makes my Blood boil so intensely .
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Oct 4, 2021 3:14:29 GMT -5
Yes but actually no. As it is only considered to be an act of disloyalty because of that one rule in the Warrior Code being upheld for so long.
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