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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Sept 28, 2021 21:36:44 GMT -5
inspired by Rainstorm1026 's midnight thread. i made my own thread (hope u dont mind!) so i dont clog theirs with a slightly different area of the topic. i was wondering why the journey to find midnight was kept secret...? why did all the chosen cats just sneak off? why didnt they tell their medicine cats and leaders? in all my TNP AU's, i make them tell their medicine cats and leaders because it's the logical and right thing to do if u have a dream and misson this important...
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Post by Dark Sun on Sept 29, 2021 2:04:40 GMT -5
Iirc it was because they were afraid that the leaders wouldn't allow them to go, and so they'd have to decide between their leaders' orders and StarClan's orders. I doubt their leaders would have believed them anyway, given they were just warriors (or apprentices). But yes, I could definitely have seen them confining them to camp or for them to be constantly watched over, just in case.
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Post by Cloudy Sky on Sept 29, 2021 2:06:15 GMT -5
Iirc it was because they were afraid that the leaders wouldn't allow them to go, and so they'd have to decide between their leaders' orders and StarClan's orders. I doubt their leaders would have believed them anyway, given they were just warriors (or apprentices). But yes, I could definitely have seen them confining them to camp or for them to be constantly watched over, just in case. I'm not completely sure about the other leaders, but I'm pretty sure Firestar would have believed them, considering his history with prophecies in the past.
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Post by Dark Sun on Sept 29, 2021 2:08:21 GMT -5
I doubt their leaders would have believed them anyway, given they were just warriors (or apprentices). But yes, I could definitely have seen them confining them to camp or for them to be constantly watched over, just in case. I'm not completely sure about the other leaders, but I'm pretty sure Firestar would have believed them, considering his history with prophecies in the past. Given the fact that he did not trust Brambleclaw entirely at the time AFAIK, and because of the Fire and Tiger omen he knew about, I severely doubt he would have let them go. Or perhaps he would have sent Brambleclaw off to keep the two of them separated - Squirrelpaw wasn't chosen anyway.
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Post by Cloudy Sky on Sept 29, 2021 2:13:06 GMT -5
I'm not completely sure about the other leaders, but I'm pretty sure Firestar would have believed them, considering his history with prophecies in the past. Given the fact that he did not trust Brambleclaw entirely at the time AFAIK, and because of the Fire and Tiger omen he knew about, I severely doubt he would have let them go. Or perhaps he would have sent Brambleclaw off to keep the two of them separated - Squirrelpaw wasn't chosen anyway. He definitely wouldn't have let Squirrelpaw go, considering that she wasn't part of the prophecy, the fire and tiger omen, that she was an apprentice, and also that she was his daughter. I think he would have let Brambleclaw go though, and yeah like you said it would keep the two separated.
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Post by Dark Sun on Sept 29, 2021 2:22:02 GMT -5
Given the fact that he did not trust Brambleclaw entirely at the time AFAIK, and because of the Fire and Tiger omen he knew about, I severely doubt he would have let them go. Or perhaps he would have sent Brambleclaw off to keep the two of them separated - Squirrelpaw wasn't chosen anyway. He definitely wouldn't have let Squirrelpaw go, considering that she wasn't part of the prophecy, the fire and tiger omen, that she was an apprentice, and also that she was his daughter. I think he would have let Brambleclaw go though, and yeah like you said it would keep the two separated. Oh for sure. To play Devil's Advocate, Brambleclaw at the time could be seen nothing more than a cheap imitation of his father - a cat with an easily corruptible heart and a dark bloodline. Firestar, undoubtedly, feared him still. Perhaps he had considered once or twice that Brambleclaw might be tempted at some point to take the position of leadership by force, one day. It is likely this exact fear that made him more easily convinced that him and his own daughter might destroy the Clans, or at least ThunderClan, in the future. I can definitely see him sending him away, not only for him to fulfill the prophecy and to keep him and Squirrelflight separated, but to ensure he wouldn't remain a possible threat due to his legacy - assuming he didn't come back.
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Post by Cloudy Sky on Sept 29, 2021 2:23:41 GMT -5
He definitely wouldn't have let Squirrelpaw go, considering that she wasn't part of the prophecy, the fire and tiger omen, that she was an apprentice, and also that she was his daughter. I think he would have let Brambleclaw go though, and yeah like you said it would keep the two separated. Oh for sure. To play Devil's Advocate, Brambleclaw at the time could be seen nothing more than a cheap imitation of his father - a cat with an easily corruptible heart and a dark bloodline. Firestar, undoubtedly, feared him still. Perhaps he had considered once or twice that Brambleclaw might be tempted at some point to take the position of leadership by force, one day. It is likely this exact fear that made him more easily convinced that him and his own daughter might destroy the Clans, or at least ThunderClan, in the future. I can definitely see him sending him away, not only for him to fulfill the prophecy and to keep him and Squirrelflight separated, but to ensure he wouldn't remain a possible threat due to his legacy - assuming he didn't come back. That's an interesting take, for sure, but I think Firestar is a bit too pure for that.
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Post by Dark Sun on Sept 29, 2021 2:32:27 GMT -5
Oh for sure. To play Devil's Advocate, Brambleclaw at the time could be seen nothing more than a cheap imitation of his father - a cat with an easily corruptible heart and a dark bloodline. Firestar, undoubtedly, feared him still. Perhaps he had considered once or twice that Brambleclaw might be tempted at some point to take the position of leadership by force, one day. It is likely this exact fear that made him more easily convinced that him and his own daughter might destroy the Clans, or at least ThunderClan, in the future. I can definitely see him sending him away, not only for him to fulfill the prophecy and to keep him and Squirrelflight separated, but to ensure he wouldn't remain a possible threat due to his legacy - assuming he didn't come back. That's an interesting take, for sure, but I think Firestar is a bit too pure for that. I agree, but if other cats had known about the omen, I could definitely imagine some of them bringing this point up. Just an elseworld thing, I guess.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Sept 29, 2021 3:21:26 GMT -5
Iirc it was because they were afraid that the leaders wouldn't allow them to go, and so they'd have to decide between their leaders' orders and StarClan's orders. this discussion interests me. like would any of the leaders not believe them? "hey leopardstar, [starclan cat] came to me in a dream and said i have to go on a journey or else something bad will happen to the clans" in my AU's, the dreams all happen the night before a gathering, so all the chosen cats tell their leaders, it's discussed at the gathering, and everyone finds out its all true, and they agree to meet back at fourtrees a few days later to plan their journey, etc. so im just like...why wouldnt the leaders believe them? surely they cant be that dumb or stubborn? especially after the first arc
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Post by Dark Sun on Sept 29, 2021 3:25:31 GMT -5
Iirc it was because they were afraid that the leaders wouldn't allow them to go, and so they'd have to decide between their leaders' orders and StarClan's orders. this discussion interests me. like would any of the leaders not believe them? "hey leopardstar, [starclan cat] came to me in a dream and said i have to go on a journey or else something bad will happen to the clans" in my AU's, the dreams all happen the night before a gathering, so all the chosen cats tell their leaders, it's discussed at the gathering, and everyone finds out its all true, and they agree to meet back at fourtrees a few days later to plan their journey, etc. so im just like...why wouldnt the leaders believe them? surely they cant be that dumb or stubborn? especially after the first arc Regardless, Squirrelflight and possibly Stormfur certainly wouldn't have gone, and WindClan would certainly have convinced Crowpaw to stay behind. (He was incredibly close to making this decision anyway.) It's possible they would have failed without him. Besides, even if the Clan leaders did believe them, they might have chosen to postpone talking on the subject until the next Gathering or two, which may have been too late in the end. (They would have starved to death by the end of the third book.)
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Sept 29, 2021 14:17:55 GMT -5
this discussion interests me. like would any of the leaders not believe them? "hey leopardstar, [starclan cat] came to me in a dream and said i have to go on a journey or else something bad will happen to the clans" in my AU's, the dreams all happen the night before a gathering, so all the chosen cats tell their leaders, it's discussed at the gathering, and everyone finds out its all true, and they agree to meet back at fourtrees a few days later to plan their journey, etc. so im just like...why wouldnt the leaders believe them? surely they cant be that dumb or stubborn? especially after the first arc Regardless, Squirrelflight and possibly Stormfur certainly wouldn't have gone, and WindClan would certainly have convinced Crowpaw to stay behind. (He was incredibly close to making this decision anyway.) It's possible they would have failed without him. Besides, even if the Clan leaders did believe them, they might have chosen to postpone talking on the subject until the next Gathering or two, which may have been too late in the end. (They would have starved to death by the end of the third book.) idk why they wouldnt have gone. squirrelpaw wouldnt go, but why couldnt each clan send two cats so the chosen cats have more help? especially for crowpaw, a warrior like whitetail could go with him (in one of my AU's she goes with him because his mentor mudclaw couldnt go since he's deputy).
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Sept 29, 2021 15:29:29 GMT -5
Iirc it was because they were afraid that the leaders wouldn't allow them to go, and so they'd have to decide between their leaders' orders and StarClan's orders. this discussion interests me. like would any of the leaders not believe them? "hey leopardstar, [starclan cat] came to me in a dream and said i have to go on a journey or else something bad will happen to the clans" in my AU's, the dreams all happen the night before a gathering, so all the chosen cats tell their leaders, it's discussed at the gathering, and everyone finds out its all true, and they agree to meet back at fourtrees a few days later to plan their journey, etc. so im just like...why wouldnt the leaders believe them? surely they cant be that dumb or stubborn? especially after the first arc tawnypelt had a rocky relationship with SC because she was thunderclan born, crowpaw wasn’t terribly well liked (from what i remember) and an apprentice, and feathertail had a pretty uhhh not amiable relationship with leopardstar given their history. so im not sure they would have thought their leaders would just unquestioningly accept their mission.
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Post by Chicken on Sept 29, 2021 15:38:48 GMT -5
They couldn't have as much drama as they did if they told everyone that they were leaving.
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