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Post by cable on Sept 26, 2021 23:51:47 GMT -5
so im compiling the cats who were around for skyclans exile for reasons and found this
- skyclan was exiled 20 years before bluestar was born - the larkwing that was alive at that time is the same larkwing from mapleshades vengeance - crookedstar wasnt too much older than bluestar - crookedstars grandmother through shellheart was willownose. reedshine and appledusk were his great grandparents, meaning MV happened just before his grandma was born. - even if you dont believe vicky that it was 20 years since skyclan left, it had to have been several generations in order for them to be so thoroughly scrubbed from history, and theyre definitely treated as ancient. - i literally cannot believe its only been like 3-4 generations since skyclan was exiled i just cant.
so what the hell is happening here? should we just assume willownose being his grandma was a mistake and shes further back on the family tree, or was she just hitting the same immortality juice that mistystar is?
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Post by Dark Sun on Sept 27, 2021 0:20:56 GMT -5
Don't quote me on this, but I heard somewhere that Turtle Tail was hit by a car that was a rare 60's make or something. It's possible Warriors current is in the 80's, but it could also very well be the 90's, 2000's, etc. Unless the Clans made a deliberate effort to forget SkyClan, I doubt it was only 20 years since their exile. 30-40 years seems more plausible.
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Post by cable on Sept 27, 2021 0:28:54 GMT -5
Don't quote me on this, but I heard somewhere that Turtle Tail was hit by a car that was a rare 60's make or something. It's possible Warriors current is in the 80's, but it could also very well be the 90's, 2000's, etc. Unless the Clans made a deliberate effort to forget SkyClan, I doubt it was only 20 years since their exile. 30-40 years seems more plausible. arguably makes things worse since either larkwing or willownose are made even more immortal by that timespan. Larkwing is arguably the worse offender since this problem wouldnt exist if it wasnt confirmed to be the same character.
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Post by Dark Sun on Sept 27, 2021 0:30:13 GMT -5
Don't quote me on this, but I heard somewhere that Turtle Tail was hit by a car that was a rare 60's make or something. It's possible Warriors current is in the 80's, but it could also very well be the 90's, 2000's, etc. Unless the Clans made a deliberate effort to forget SkyClan, I doubt it was only 20 years since their exile. 30-40 years seems more plausible. arguably makes things worse since either larkwing or willownose are made even more immortal by that timespan. Larkwing is arguably the worse offender since this problem wouldnt exist if it wasnt confirmed to be the same character.
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Post by cable on Sept 27, 2021 0:31:01 GMT -5
decoding the warriors timeline by finding out what make of car ran over a character
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Sept 27, 2021 0:32:54 GMT -5
i wish some wiki person could come on here and explain the wiki events timeline to me because im curious about this to? because like...on the timeline table, cloudstar's journey says 26 YBF (years before firestar), then mapleshade's novella says 19 YBF. but that makes no sense because nettlepaw is an apprentice in mapleshade's novella, but appears as a warrior in pinestar's choice (pinestar is oakstar's son and oakstar was leader during mapleshade's novella) and an elder in goosefeather's curse (this is before bluestar is born). then 5 YBF, cats like spottedleaf and stuff are born.
so like are these going by actual years? are the seasons listed going 3 months per season? idk. someone please help me out because i rely on the timeline a lot but i get confused real easily
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Post by Dark Sun on Sept 27, 2021 0:33:28 GMT -5
Whose to say it wasn't a restored car though? Forget it, SkyClan was exiled 3 days before Bluestar was born. That's the headcanon I'm sticking to now. Maybe every cat in the Clans got amnesia somehow or something. Maybe they ate something, idk anymore.
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Post by Dark Sun on Sept 27, 2021 0:35:55 GMT -5
i wish some wiki person could come on here and explain the wiki events timeline to me because im curious about this to? because like...on the timeline table, cloudstar's journey says 26 YBF (years before firestar), then mapleshade's novella says 19 YBF. but that makes no sense because nettlepaw is an apprentice in mapleshade's novella, but appears as a warrior in pinestar's choice (pinestar is oakstar's son and oakstar was leader during mapleshade's novella) and an elder in goosefeather's curse (this is before bluestar is born). then 5 YBF, cats like spottedleaf and stuff are born. so like are these going by actual years? are the seasons listed going 3 months per season? idk. someone please help me out because i rely on the timeline a lot but i get confused real easily I think we just have to accept that the timeline is an utter mess right now and none of it can be considered canon, and if it can, it'll be unrealistic.
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Post by cable on Sept 27, 2021 0:36:52 GMT -5
i wish some wiki person could come on here and explain the wiki events timeline to me because im curious about this to? because like...on the timeline table, cloudstar's journey says 26 YBF (years before firestar), then mapleshade's novella says 19 YBF. but that makes no sense because nettlepaw is an apprentice in mapleshade's novella, but appears as a warrior in pinestar's choice (pinestar is oakstar's son and oakstar was leader during mapleshade's novella) and an elder in goosefeather's curse (this is before bluestar is born). then 5 YBF, cats like spottedleaf and stuff are born. so like are these going by actual years? are the seasons listed going 3 months per season? idk. someone please help me out because i rely on the timeline a lot but i get confused real easily i completely forgot about nettlebreeze why is the timeline so broken heeeeeeelp
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Sept 27, 2021 0:38:08 GMT -5
i wish some wiki person could come on here and explain the wiki events timeline to me because im curious about this to? because like...on the timeline table, cloudstar's journey says 26 YBF (years before firestar), then mapleshade's novella says 19 YBF. but that makes no sense because nettlepaw is an apprentice in mapleshade's novella, but appears as a warrior in pinestar's choice (pinestar is oakstar's son and oakstar was leader during mapleshade's novella) and an elder in goosefeather's curse (this is before bluestar is born). then 5 YBF, cats like spottedleaf and stuff are born. so like are these going by actual years? are the seasons listed going 3 months per season? idk. someone please help me out because i rely on the timeline a lot but i get confused real easily I think we just have to accept that the timeline is an utter mess right now and none of it can be considered canon, and if it can, it'll be unrealistic. i wonder how realistic it'd be if skyclan left only 2 or so decades before the first arc? like what if every single clan cat was dead set on ignoring all mentions of skyclan, and in those 2 decades, the twoleg place is built...idk how long it takes for neighborhoods to be built like that in such an area, but is it unreasonable to think 20+ years is long enough? like if all the adults were just like "there's only 4 clans" and they pressure everyone to pass this mentality down, eventually, cats will grow up never knowing there were five clans at all. it'd kinda be sad then becuase it makes me assume all the elders at the time were silenced to never tell the kits old tales about all 5 clans
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Post by Dark Sun on Sept 27, 2021 0:39:44 GMT -5
I think we just have to accept that the timeline is an utter mess right now and none of it can be considered canon, and if it can, it'll be unrealistic. i wonder how realistic it'd be if skyclan left only 2 or so decades before the first arc? like what if every single clan cat was dead set on ignoring all mentions of skyclan, and in those 2 decades, the twoleg place is built...idk how long it takes for neighborhoods to be built like that in such an area, but is it unreasonable to think 20+ years is long enough? like if all the adults were just like "there's only 4 clans" and they pressure everyone to pass this mentality down, eventually, cats will grow up never knowing there were five clans at all. it'd kinda be sad then becuase it makes me assume all the elders at the time were silenced to never tell the kits old tales about all 5 clans This is entirely possible, most likely out of guilt/shame. If any cat were to mention a 5th Clan and a younger cat heard it, they were just assumed they were talking about StarClan as well as the 4 Clans. I believe that it was mentioned that ShadowClan was honorable at around the time they were exiled, but don't quote me on that. So that might be something worth taking into account.
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Post by cable on Sept 27, 2021 0:40:16 GMT -5
I think we just have to accept that the timeline is an utter mess right now and none of it can be considered canon, and if it can, it'll be unrealistic. i wonder how realistic it'd be if skyclan left only 2 or so decades before the first arc? like what if every single clan cat was dead set on ignoring all mentions of skyclan, and in those 2 decades, the twoleg place is built...idk how long it takes for neighborhoods to be built like that in such an area, but is it unreasonable to think 20+ years is long enough? like if all the adults were just like "there's only 4 clans" and they pressure everyone to pass this mentality down, eventually, cats will grow up never knowing there were five clans at all. it'd kinda be sad then becuase it makes me assume all the elders at the time were silenced to never tell the kits old tales about all 5 clans its stated that the leaders who exiled skyclan were hounded by guilt their entire lives. whether that would make them silencing the elders realistic depends on the merit of their characters, i guess, but they didnt exactly have a peak moral display.
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Post by Dark Sun on Sept 27, 2021 0:42:45 GMT -5
i wonder how realistic it'd be if skyclan left only 2 or so decades before the first arc? like what if every single clan cat was dead set on ignoring all mentions of skyclan, and in those 2 decades, the twoleg place is built...idk how long it takes for neighborhoods to be built like that in such an area, but is it unreasonable to think 20+ years is long enough? like if all the adults were just like "there's only 4 clans" and they pressure everyone to pass this mentality down, eventually, cats will grow up never knowing there were five clans at all. it'd kinda be sad then becuase it makes me assume all the elders at the time were silenced to never tell the kits old tales about all 5 clans its stated that the leaders who exiled skyclan were hounded by guilt their entire lives. whether that would make them silencing the elders realistic depends on the merit of their characters, i guess, but they didnt exactly have a peak moral display. If their elders were silenced, I wonder what it took to achieve that at the end of the day. I'm sure many elders and senior warriors would also be plagued by guilt, but instead of trying to forget SkyClan, they wanted to keep the memory alive, for the Clans to live on in shame. Some potentially interesting history here.
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Post by Chicken on Sept 27, 2021 11:26:24 GMT -5
The Larkwing thing confuses me too, especially because I recall one being listed as a she-cat and one listed as a tom, but they're confirmed to be the same cat.
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Post by *Faith* on Sept 27, 2021 11:56:41 GMT -5
i wish some wiki person could come on here and explain the wiki events timeline to me because im curious about this to? because like...on the timeline table, cloudstar's journey says 26 YBF (years before firestar), then mapleshade's novella says 19 YBF. but that makes no sense because nettlepaw is an apprentice in mapleshade's novella, but appears as a warrior in pinestar's choice (pinestar is oakstar's son and oakstar was leader during mapleshade's novella) and an elder in goosefeather's curse (this is before bluestar is born). then 5 YBF, cats like spottedleaf and stuff are born. so like are these going by actual years? are the seasons listed going 3 months per season? idk. someone please help me out because i rely on the timeline a lot but i get confused real easily Pinestar's Choice starts with Pinestar as a new apprentice and Vicky once said that PC starts three years after the ending of MV. In the allegiances of GC Nettlebreeze is an elder and is stated to be ancient.
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Post by *Faith* on Sept 27, 2021 12:00:58 GMT -5
The Larkwing thing confuses me too, especially because I recall one being listed as a she-cat and one listed as a tom, but they're confirmed to be the same cat. Yeah, Vicky even said that Larkwing being listed as a tom was a mistake. FQ/CJ: Larkwing is a silver-and-black tabby she-cat MV: Larkwing is gray tabby tom. Vicky: Larkwing is a silver-gray she-cat with black stripes.
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