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Post by Rainstorm1026 on Sept 22, 2021 19:22:00 GMT -5
Like, no back from the dead warriors, or rogues, or anything, like just an ordinary clan cat who went sour. Or maybe a more abstract threat. Like sickness.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Sept 22, 2021 20:22:21 GMT -5
i wish we could have another tigerstar. a villain from inside the clans. hawkfrost while he was alive in TNP was a half baked version of his dad, so he sucks...and besides him, po3 and oots had more focus on dark forest villains aka dead people (the beavers + beaver dam, sol and ashfur were minor villains/obsticles and dont count). then AVOS had external villains with darktail and the kin (and idk wtf the second half of AVOS Was supposed to be, so please add onto this one. idk what their obsticle was). and now TBC is once again dead people related, and its another repeat villain (ashfur).
like whyyyy i want a new tigerstar who isn't hawkfrost. a villain from within the clans who is more smart and tactful.
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Post by Chicken on Sept 22, 2021 20:57:57 GMT -5
AGREED! I am so sick and tired of these outside villains who are pissed off at the clans, it's no wonder the clans hate outsiders so much, I would too if they constantly started crap because their feelings got hurt! Which of course I know it goes deeper than that, but it's getting old.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Sept 23, 2021 12:19:36 GMT -5
I'm still waiting for some wolves to show up and cause utter destruction. Or foxes that can speak cat.
Edit: Better yet, where are the raccoons from Hawkwing's Journey at when you need them?
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Post by vectoring34 on Sept 23, 2021 12:22:59 GMT -5
I want an escaped zoo baboon to start up a stone tool industry to try to tempt cats to the way of monkey.
Your mileage may vary on how serious I am about this idea.
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Post by Moonblazer on Sept 23, 2021 17:06:55 GMT -5
I’d love a plot with Coyotes, personally.
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Post by Rainstorm1026 on Sept 23, 2021 17:36:02 GMT -5
I’d love a plot with Coyotes, personally. Ooooof (Coyotes are big cat-killers in my area)
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Sept 23, 2021 19:06:14 GMT -5
Remember when everyone thought that TBC would be about rabies since it was assumed that was what Bramblestar was suffering from? I'd like to see that go around and wreak havoc in the Clans.
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Post by Chicken on Sept 23, 2021 19:10:52 GMT -5
Remember when everyone thought that TBC would be about rabies since it was assumed that was what Bramblestar was suffering from? I'd like to see that go around and wreak havoc in the Clans. I honestly would have liked that a lot more than what we got.
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Post by kells on Sept 23, 2021 19:47:24 GMT -5
I want to see the Clans be absolutely pwn'd by a massive army of outside cats. Like all Clans, no 'everyone huddling in ShadowClan/SkyClan refuge camps when things get sour'. I want to see them get knocked down a notch in their cockiness and work together from the ground up.
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Post by Chicken on Sept 23, 2021 21:23:39 GMT -5
I want to see the Clans be absolutely pwn'd by a massive army of outside cats. Like all Clans, no 'everyone huddling in ShadowClan/SkyClan refuge camps when things get sour'. I want to see them get knocked down a notch in their cockiness and work together from the ground up. This is a great idea, imagine if they killed off ALL the leaders, deputies, and medicine cats at the same time!
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Post by vectoring34 on Sept 23, 2021 21:32:12 GMT -5
I want to see the Clans be absolutely pwn'd by a massive army of outside cats. Like all Clans, no 'everyone huddling in ShadowClan/SkyClan refuge camps when things get sour'. I want to see them get knocked down a notch in their cockiness and work together from the ground up. This is a great idea, imagine if they killed off ALL the leaders, deputies, and medicine cats at the same time! That would lead to some kind of insane deus ex machina victory for our protags because there's very little other way to justify coming back from such a decapitating blow. Unless it's going for a tragic ending where it's the end of the clans as a whole or something like that. The problem really is that if such a tragedy really did happen, then the clans have lost, period. For them to come back from that either requires that the tragedy be minimized to the point that it feels odd to include it or else require such an overpowered protagonist that one can scarce imagine how it would look.
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Post by Chicken on Sept 23, 2021 21:35:50 GMT -5
This is a great idea, imagine if they killed off ALL the leaders, deputies, and medicine cats at the same time! That would lead to some kind of insane deus ex machina victory for our protags because there's very little other way to justify coming back from such a decapitating blow. Unless it's going for a tragic ending where it's the end of the clans as a whole or something like that. The problem really is that if such a tragedy really did happen, then the clans have lost, period. For them to come back from that either requires that the tragedy be minimized to the point that it feels odd to include it or else require such an overpowered protagonist that one can scarce imagine how it would look. That makes sense. Okay, what there are two leaders left alive but they're either Lionblaze and Breezepelt or Tigerheart and Ivypool or Bumblestripe, and they must learn how to work together, though I suppose Jayfeather surviving as the ThunderClan medicine cat and Breezepelt surviving as the WindClan leader/deputy would make more sense, since Jayfeather never forgave him, or well, this could even be done with Crowfeather, who actually is the deputy.
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Post by kells on Sept 23, 2021 22:02:55 GMT -5
This is a great idea, imagine if they killed off ALL the leaders, deputies, and medicine cats at the same time! That would lead to some kind of insane deus ex machina victory for our protags because there's very little other way to justify coming back from such a decapitating blow. Unless it's going for a tragic ending where it's the end of the clans as a whole or something like that. The problem really is that if such a tragedy really did happen, then the clans have lost, period. For them to come back from that either requires that the tragedy be minimized to the point that it feels odd to include it or else require such an overpowered protagonist that one can scarce imagine how it would look. I was thinking it would take a long time for them to recover, they would probably merge with other groups, send spies and the like. Maybe like a Darktail-eque plot where they convert some cats and destory them from inside-out? I don't know Tigerstar, Brokenstar and Darktail were all singular cats who almost ended all four Clans, so a plot like that with more cats doesn't seem too high of a reach for me
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Post by vectoring34 on Sept 23, 2021 22:11:01 GMT -5
That would lead to some kind of insane deus ex machina victory for our protags because there's very little other way to justify coming back from such a decapitating blow. Unless it's going for a tragic ending where it's the end of the clans as a whole or something like that. The problem really is that if such a tragedy really did happen, then the clans have lost, period. For them to come back from that either requires that the tragedy be minimized to the point that it feels odd to include it or else require such an overpowered protagonist that one can scarce imagine how it would look. I was thinking it would take a long time for them to recover, they would probably merge with other groups, send spies and the like. Maybe like a Darktail-eque plot where they convert some cats and destory them from inside-out? I don't know Tigerstar, Brokenstar and Darktail were all singular cats who almost ended all four Clans, so a plot like that with more cats doesn't seem too high of a reach for me I don't think it's implausible that some super-army could lay waste to them. My problem is that after such an attack happens, basically only a few endings are possible. The first is the tragic one where their cultural identity has been massacred but they manage to survive as a people in exile and start a new community elsewhere. Putting aside the fact that I doubt this is feasible from a marketing point of view, this also just feels like it would kill a lot of what people like about the series, namely the feuding clans and their own cultures. If they get mulched together by necessity into some new Unityclan or something, the Riverclan fans get to be even more salty than they already are. The other possibility is that they take this horrific attack head-on...and then the clans just kind of reform as if nothing so culturally traumatic had happened to them. This ends up making such an attack feel almost like a cop-out and an excuse for brutality due to the lack of lasting effects. In short, what I'm saying is that a tragedy on such a scale would demand, necessitate even a change in the status quo to such a degree that I don't think one could even call it the same series anymore, just a spinoff. I don't have a problem with the clans suffering some huge setback, it was the "slaughter every single culturally relevant cat" that I found to be excessively grimdark and having dire consequences for the story potential.
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Post by kells on Sept 23, 2021 23:10:23 GMT -5
I was thinking it would take a long time for them to recover, they would probably merge with other groups, send spies and the like. Maybe like a Darktail-eque plot where they convert some cats and destory them from inside-out? I don't know Tigerstar, Brokenstar and Darktail were all singular cats who almost ended all four Clans, so a plot like that with more cats doesn't seem too high of a reach for me I don't think it's implausible that some super-army could lay waste to them. My problem is that after such an attack happens, basically only a few endings are possible. The first is the tragic one where their cultural identity has been massacred but they manage to survive as a people in exile and start a new community elsewhere. Putting aside the fact that I doubt this is feasible from a marketing point of view, this also just feels like it would kill a lot of what people like about the series, namely the feuding clans and their own cultures. If they get mulched together by necessity into some new Unityclan or something, the Riverclan fans get to be even more salty than they already are. The other possibility is that they take this horrific attack head-on...and then the clans just kind of reform as if nothing so culturally traumatic had happened to them. This ends up making such an attack feel almost like a cop-out and an excuse for brutality due to the lack of lasting effects. In short, what I'm saying is that a tragedy on such a scale would demand, necessitate even a change in the status quo to such a degree that I don't think one could even call it the same series anymore, just a spinoff. I don't have a problem with the clans suffering some huge setback, it was the "slaughter every single culturally relevant cat" that I found to be excessively grimdark and having dire consequences for the story potential. I didn't intend to say that the culture would be completely destroyed, but rather it would be a big blow to the Clans, the ultimate obstacle to overcome, much like SkyClan's troubles with Darktail. I can't imagine something so devastating to happening at any time aside from the last arc so I consider this to be like an endgame plot. For them to reform after such devastation despite the odds wouldn't be too grim in my eyes, but rather show that regardless of anything the Clans can still persevere and pull through. It's the premise of almost all the arcs: Clans face something that could or almost destroys them, they temporarily unify and overcome the threat. I'm just stating that I want a real common enemy with higher stakes on the line, similar to the devastation we saw in The Last Hope and the Great Journey. Every arc we see the Clan almost be overwhelmed by an enemy, but overcome it in the end. We never see them actually lose. The closest we can get to that kind of development would be SkyClan. The Clans could learn many things along the way. They could lose their stigma of other Clans like in TNP, learn to be less xenophobic like with SkyClan... so on, so forth. I'd find it fresh and interesting to see them be knocked from the top, only to fight their way back up.
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Post by vectoring34 on Sept 24, 2021 6:50:17 GMT -5
I don't think it's implausible that some super-army could lay waste to them. My problem is that after such an attack happens, basically only a few endings are possible. The first is the tragic one where their cultural identity has been massacred but they manage to survive as a people in exile and start a new community elsewhere. Putting aside the fact that I doubt this is feasible from a marketing point of view, this also just feels like it would kill a lot of what people like about the series, namely the feuding clans and their own cultures. If they get mulched together by necessity into some new Unityclan or something, the Riverclan fans get to be even more salty than they already are. The other possibility is that they take this horrific attack head-on...and then the clans just kind of reform as if nothing so culturally traumatic had happened to them. This ends up making such an attack feel almost like a cop-out and an excuse for brutality due to the lack of lasting effects. In short, what I'm saying is that a tragedy on such a scale would demand, necessitate even a change in the status quo to such a degree that I don't think one could even call it the same series anymore, just a spinoff. I don't have a problem with the clans suffering some huge setback, it was the "slaughter every single culturally relevant cat" that I found to be excessively grimdark and having dire consequences for the story potential. I didn't intend to say that the culture would be completely destroyed, but rather it would be a big blow to the Clans, the ultimate obstacle to overcome, much like SkyClan's troubles with Darktail. I can't imagine something so devastating to happening at any time aside from the last arc so I consider this to be like an endgame plot. For them to reform after such devastation despite the odds wouldn't be too grim in my eyes, but rather show that regardless of anything the Clans can still persevere and pull through. It's the premise of almost all the arcs: Clans face something that could or almost destroys them, they temporarily unify and overcome the threat. I'm just stating that I want a real common enemy with higher stakes on the line, similar to the devastation we saw in The Last Hope and the Great Journey. Every arc we see the Clan almost be overwhelmed by an enemy, but overcome it in the end. We never see them actually lose. The closest we can get to that kind of development would be SkyClan. The Clans could learn many things along the way. They could lose their stigma of other Clans like in TNP, learn to be less xenophobic like with SkyClan... so on, so forth. I'd find it fresh and interesting to see them be knocked from the top, only to fight their way back up. I never said you did say that. I was referring to the "kill the leaders, kill the deputies, kill the medicine cats" thing, which would be rather beyond the pale.
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Post by kells on Sept 24, 2021 23:08:54 GMT -5
I didn't intend to say that the culture would be completely destroyed, but rather it would be a big blow to the Clans, the ultimate obstacle to overcome, much like SkyClan's troubles with Darktail. I can't imagine something so devastating to happening at any time aside from the last arc so I consider this to be like an endgame plot. For them to reform after such devastation despite the odds wouldn't be too grim in my eyes, but rather show that regardless of anything the Clans can still persevere and pull through. It's the premise of almost all the arcs: Clans face something that could or almost destroys them, they temporarily unify and overcome the threat. I'm just stating that I want a real common enemy with higher stakes on the line, similar to the devastation we saw in The Last Hope and the Great Journey. Every arc we see the Clan almost be overwhelmed by an enemy, but overcome it in the end. We never see them actually lose. The closest we can get to that kind of development would be SkyClan. The Clans could learn many things along the way. They could lose their stigma of other Clans like in TNP, learn to be less xenophobic like with SkyClan... so on, so forth. I'd find it fresh and interesting to see them be knocked from the top, only to fight their way back up. I never said you did say that. I was referring to the "kill the leaders, kill the deputies, kill the medicine cats" thing, which would be rather beyond the pale. Oh I actually didn't mention killing off the high ranks, that'd be a little much lol. Though, the loss of a medicine cat or leader would probably make for a decent subplot
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