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#04F9B3
StarClan leader
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Featherstar
She could now see that destiny alone could not save RiverClan. - Frostpaw, Wind
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Post by Featherstar on Sept 22, 2021 13:15:28 GMT -5
(And I've loaded and reloaded the website several times.)
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Sept 22, 2021 13:15:57 GMT -5
I can't see it either
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#04F9B3
StarClan leader
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Featherstar
She could now see that destiny alone could not save RiverClan. - Frostpaw, Wind
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Post by Featherstar on Sept 22, 2021 13:18:31 GMT -5
Whoops, slightly wrong title.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Sept 22, 2021 13:39:35 GMT -5
interesting article. i gotta disagree though because mapleshade killed people while she was alive. ashfur only attempted things and failed lol
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#04F9B3
StarClan leader
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Featherstar
She could now see that destiny alone could not save RiverClan. - Frostpaw, Wind
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Post by Featherstar on Sept 22, 2021 13:40:57 GMT -5
interesting article. i gotta disagree though because mapleshade killed people while she was alive. ashfur only attempted things and failed lol Wait!? You saw it?! How?! I can't see it!
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Post by Chicken on Sept 22, 2021 13:43:49 GMT -5
interesting article. i gotta disagree though because mapleshade killed people while she was alive. ashfur only attempted things and failed lol That's true, but there's also the fact that Mapleshade had a FAR bigger reason to go down the deep end than Ashfur did, however, no one reacts to things the same way, and they both did terrible things post death, but Ashfur's terrible thing impacted cats way more than Mapleshade's terrible thing is, and if Mapleshade didn't have the other DF cats in her group, she might not have even been able to do anything on that regard. They are still both terrible cats. Btw, the article isn't loading for me either.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Sept 22, 2021 13:46:27 GMT -5
interesting article. i gotta disagree though because mapleshade killed people while she was alive. ashfur only attempted things and failed lol Wait!? You saw it?! How?! I can't see it! sorry, just based my reply off the title of the article asdfghjk i didnt see it
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Sept 22, 2021 13:48:31 GMT -5
interesting article. i gotta disagree though because mapleshade killed people while she was alive. ashfur only attempted things and failed lol That's true, but there's also the fact that Mapleshade had a FAR bigger reason to go down the deep end than Ashfur did, however, no one reacts to things the same way, and they both did terrible things post death, but Ashfur's terrible thing impacted cats way more than Mapleshade's terrible thing is, and if Mapleshade didn't have the other DF cats in her group, she might not have even been able to do anything on that regard. They are still both terrible cats. Btw, the article isn't loading for me either. mapleshade wasn't only rejected romantically, but she finds out she's been cheated on as well as her kits DYING in front of her. all because OTHERS wouldnt take her in. so i agree, mapleshade DID have bigger reasons to do what she did. all ashfur experienced was a simple rejection. no malice involved or cheating, like with mapleshades. im not excusing or justifying what mapleshade did, but i see her reasons.
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Post by Chicken on Sept 22, 2021 13:58:09 GMT -5
That's true, but there's also the fact that Mapleshade had a FAR bigger reason to go down the deep end than Ashfur did, however, no one reacts to things the same way, and they both did terrible things post death, but Ashfur's terrible thing impacted cats way more than Mapleshade's terrible thing is, and if Mapleshade didn't have the other DF cats in her group, she might not have even been able to do anything on that regard. They are still both terrible cats. Btw, the article isn't loading for me either. mapleshade wasn't only rejected romantically, but she finds out she's been cheated on as well as her kits DYING in front of her. all because OTHERS wouldnt take her in. so i agree, mapleshade DID have bigger reasons to do what she did. all ashfur experienced was a simple rejection. no malice involved or cheating, like with mapleshades. im not excusing or justifying what mapleshade did, but i see her reasons. Yeah, that's what I was saying. Also, another thing that makes Ashfur worse, is that Mapleshade being the villain never ruined a whole arc lol.
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𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑
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Taking a break from the forums because my cat died. Will probably be back mid to late October.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Sept 22, 2021 14:17:30 GMT -5
I haven't read the article but also think that Ashfur is worse than Mapleshade. He was involved in a murderous plot against his leader and comitted arson thus almost burned four cats alive over being rejected. So who knows what he would have done if his reasoning behind those crimes was actually understandable. His wrongdoings as the impostor/evil StarClan cat don't help this absolute nutcase in the slightest. I'm not trying to excuse Mapleshade here though as she's also bad but in a different way and on another level.
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The Shiny User
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Sept 22, 2021 17:18:13 GMT -5
Ashfur. He may not have actually killed people but his intentions, and what would happen if he'd succeeded, would have outshone Mapleshade's crimes.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Sept 22, 2021 23:35:26 GMT -5
I think the article might have been taken down for some reason. It's not listed on the homepage, while the last fan opinion piece is.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Sept 24, 2021 9:31:42 GMT -5
Ashfur is definitely worse. He TECHNICALLY helped kill Firestar once. On top of that, he attempted to murder 3 other cats. Why? Because he was rejected. And now? He's literally trying to destroy the clans and has caused several more deaths.
Say what you want about Mapleshade, but her snapping was because she lost her three children. Did the people they killed deserve to die? No. But her anger was much more justified than Ashfur
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Post by Rainstorm1026 on Sept 24, 2021 14:40:44 GMT -5
interesting article. i gotta disagree though because mapleshade killed people while she was alive. ashfur only attempted things and failed lol But Ashfur still WANTED to do those things. Just because he failed doesn’t erase that he attempted to do them.
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#04F9B3
StarClan leader
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Featherstar
She could now see that destiny alone could not save RiverClan. - Frostpaw, Wind
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Post by Featherstar on Sept 30, 2021 12:41:07 GMT -5
I got the page to load!
"I would like to express why Ashfur deserved to go to the Dark Forest instead of Mapleshade, or at least why I think Ashfur is way worse. From what we've seen from cats in the Dark Forest and those who still support the Dark Forest, such as Antpelt, when they die they immediately get sent to the Dark Forest.
Before Antpelt died we could see that he was still a caring cat with good morals, but after he dies he loses his compassion and integrity. While cats who've died and been sent to Starclan only have the good part of their soul left in their remaining spirit (the entire opposite of the results in being sent to the Dark Forest, where only the bad part of their being is left in their remaining spirit).
Mapleshade was put through so much injustice, trauma, mistreatment and despair, that she had temporary insanity goading her to kill the cats who led her to her fate with her children dying in order to release the kit spirits so that they could finally rest in peace.
Mapleshade wasn't fully in control of her actions, but Ashfur knew what he was doing. Ashfur may not have succeeded but he still tried to commit murder. Mapleshade being sent to the Dark Forest only has the temporary insanity part of her left in her spirit, due to being sent to the Dark Forest. All the compassion and love for her kits is non-existent in Mapleshade's spirit so she only has the part of herself that was blinded by her thirst and need for revenge controlling her now. I truly believe in Ashfur being far worse."
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Post by vectoring34 on Sept 30, 2021 13:21:50 GMT -5
I got the page to load! "I would like to express why Ashfur deserved to go to the Dark Forest instead of Mapleshade, or at least why I think Ashfur is way worse. From what we've seen from cats in the Dark Forest and those who still support the Dark Forest, such as Antpelt, when they die they immediately get sent to the Dark Forest.
Before Antpelt died we could see that he was still a caring cat with good morals, but after he dies he loses his compassion and integrity. While cats who've died and been sent to Starclan only have the good part of their soul left in their remaining spirit (the entire opposite of the results in being sent to the Dark Forest, where only the bad part of their being is left in their remaining spirit).
Mapleshade was put through so much injustice, trauma, mistreatment and despair, that she had temporary insanity goading her to kill the cats who led her to her fate with her children dying in order to release the kit spirits so that they could finally rest in peace.
Mapleshade wasn't fully in control of her actions, but Ashfur knew what he was doing. Ashfur may not have succeeded but he still tried to commit murder. Mapleshade being sent to the Dark Forest only has the temporary insanity part of her left in her spirit, due to being sent to the Dark Forest. All the compassion and love for her kits is non-existent in Mapleshade's spirit so she only has the part of herself that was blinded by her thirst and need for revenge controlling her now. I truly believe in Ashfur being far worse."This is an interesting idea that the Dark Forest kind of just preserves an "imprint" of your spirit at the time of your death so to speak so that it's like you're stuck in that moment forever. While there is some evidence to support this with Antpelt and Lionblaze and I think Ivypool saying it makes you worse over time, the confusing factor is Snowtuft. However, Snowtuft also can't seem to remember his past, which is weird if he's just an echo of his worst moment. On the other hand, one could argue Snowtuft has simply been trapped there so long that he is decaying away like Mapleshade
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Dovesong
Re-reading Warriors in chronological order. Currently reading: Eclipse
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Post by Dovesong on Sept 30, 2021 15:53:57 GMT -5
I think that the "imprint" of a cat's spirit being saved like that probably isn't true because I seem to remember that their spirit-selves are restored to what they looked like when they were at their best. That would imply that their spirits aren't kept at the moment of their death.
I do agree that Ashfur is worse than Mapleshade, though.
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Post by vectoring34 on Sept 30, 2021 16:32:24 GMT -5
I think that the "imprint" of a cat's spirit being saved like that probably isn't true because I seem to remember that their spirit-selves are restored to what they looked like when they were at their best. That would imply that their spirits aren't kept at the moment of their death. I do agree that Ashfur is worse than Mapleshade, though. Their bodies are restored to their physical best, that's true. It's unclear if the same applies to their mind, Antpelt in particular is an odd example here.
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Dovesong
Re-reading Warriors in chronological order. Currently reading: Eclipse
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Post by Dovesong on Sept 30, 2021 16:37:58 GMT -5
I think that the "imprint" of a cat's spirit being saved like that probably isn't true because I seem to remember that their spirit-selves are restored to what they looked like when they were at their best. That would imply that their spirits aren't kept at the moment of their death. I do agree that Ashfur is worse than Mapleshade, though. Their bodies are restored to their physical best, that's true. It's unclear if the same applies to their mind, Antpelt in particular is an odd example here. Very good point. I didn't think of that. And I agree. I might be a little biased - I'm honestly hoping it's not the case, as I want them to be their full selves after death, but it would make sense if they weren't.
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Post by Chicken on Oct 1, 2021 11:58:49 GMT -5
FeatherstarThanks for posting it. There's enough room in the Dark Forest for both of them.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Oct 1, 2021 12:05:56 GMT -5
did one of the erins say that mapleshade wasn’t suffering from temporary psychosis? like she was pretty cold and calculating in her actions, it wasnt like she was lashing out blindly in a deranged fit. she carefully plotted multiple murders and relished in it. the novella even ends with her purring in delight that she’d be walking in the memories of her blood stained crimes. doesnt sound like “temporary insanity” to me. just change, for the worse.
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Post by vectoring34 on Oct 1, 2021 13:07:55 GMT -5
did one of the erins say that mapleshade wasn’t suffering from temporary psychosis? like she was pretty cold and calculating in her actions, it wasnt like she was lashing out blindly in a deranged fit. she carefully plotted multiple murders and relished in it. the novella even ends with her purring in delight that she’d be walking in the memories of her blood stained crimes. doesnt sound like “temporary insanity” to me. just change, for the worse. She was seeing and hearing things that weren't there and on the verge of starvation and dehydration the whole book. I think she was feverish too at points? Anyway, I didn't really get cold and calculating out of her actions. More frantic and wild, with her motives being nonsensical at points with the kit delusions. I don't know if I'd call it temporary insanity but she was basically a crazy, starved hobo by the time of her crimes.
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