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Post by Chicken on Sept 16, 2021 21:13:34 GMT -5
This guy has had a pretty tragic life, but I never really see anyone talk about him. He started out as a kit in the series, when the forest was going to hell, he lost both of his littermates, and nearly starved to death himself, but he managed to pull through. Then, he made some friends on The Great Journey, unfortunately, they were from different clans, so their friendship wasn't able to last. Also, he lost his mother and younger siblings as a result of the Last Hope Battle, and his father blamed him for it, and pretty much disowned him, so I can't even begin to imagine the guilt he must be feeling, and then he lost his older brother not too long after it. All of Birchfall's siblings and his parents are dead, every last one of them. Not only that, but one of his daughters is in ShadowClan now, an enemy clan, so he pretty much never gets to see her anymore except at gatherings. I know he still has Whitewing and Ivypool, but this guy has been through such a rough time throughout his whole life, and I feel like no one ever talks about him. Oh, and there's the fact that he still hasn't had an apprentice yet despite wanting one, and I know he was jealous of Whitewing getting an apprentice, but that shouldn't keep him from EVER having one, he was still a young cat at the time, he's only a few moons older than Berrynose, who I think was an apprentice at that time. And the last thing, is that he was Ashfur's apprentice, who Ashfur manipulated into calling Firestar to the fox trap, so he could possibly be feeling a bit of guilt from that as well, I'd hope not, since it's not his fault, but it's possible. I guess this is the end of this post. What are your thoughts on Birchfall?
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Sept 16, 2021 21:25:00 GMT -5
i agree. i feel like no one cares about him. which is why i think he 100% deserves his own novella...poor guy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2021 21:25:04 GMT -5
I don't like him to be honest. Not only was he training as a grown, senior warrior in the DF with the big bad villains, he was perfectly chill with his daughter being in cat Hell where she could easily die. Like did the Erins forget he was IvyDove's father, he barely interacts with them, at least Whitewing had that whole scene with her daughters. Other than that, he just exists and is pretty forgettable, no personality or character. That's probably why he isn't discussed despite all the stuff you mentioned.
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Post by cable on Sept 16, 2021 21:27:24 GMT -5
unfortunately for birchfall. suffering does not make a character interesting, and he has like no personality. also, what was said above. what the hell was this guy doing in the dark forest with cats he was old enough to actually remember..
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Post by Chicken on Sept 16, 2021 21:38:23 GMT -5
cableBirchfall wasn't old enough to remember them, he wasn't even born before a lot of these cats died.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Sept 16, 2021 21:40:03 GMT -5
unfortunately for birchfall. suffering does not make a character interesting, and he has like no personality. also, what was said above. what the hell was this guy doing in the dark forest with cats he was old enough to actually remember.. its not birch's fault that he wasnt given focus. fathers hardly get focus as it is, and if they do, they're usually mistreated or misunderstood too. cats in the background who suffer more than any protag never get focus which is a shame because the potential IS THERE to explore it and see how the cat feels about all of it.
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Post by cable on Sept 16, 2021 21:41:53 GMT -5
cable Birchfall wasn't old enough to remember them, he wasn't even born before a lot of these cats died. he was old enough to remember hawkfrost. like theres no way he didnt hear about how hawkfrost almost killed his leader.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2021 21:44:13 GMT -5
It doesn't really matter, it's not like the DF villains were some hidden secrets. Birchfall, Thornclaw and Mousewhisker should honestly have known better as senior warriors or pretty much senior warriors. ESPECIALLY Thornclaw like wow. Though I guess you could just sum it up to the arc's overall shitty writing. I don't know why those guys were chosen when there still a bunch of younger cats available they could've thrown in and used naivety/ignorance as an excuse.
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Post by Chicken on Sept 16, 2021 21:45:14 GMT -5
It doesn't really matter, it's not like the DF villains were some hidden secrets. Birchfall, Thornclaw and Mousewhisker should honestly have known better as senior warriors or pretty much senior warriors. ESPECIALLY Thornclaw like wow. Though I guess you could just sum it up to the arc's shitty writing. I don't know why those guys were chosen when there still a bunch of younger cats available they could've thrown and used naivety/ignorance as an excuse. I agree about Thornclaw, especially since his sisters were almost killed as a result of Tigerclaw, he's one of the biggest idiots in this series.
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Post by cable on Sept 16, 2021 21:45:45 GMT -5
It doesn't really matter, it's not like the DF villains were some hidden secrets. Birchfall, Thornclaw and Mousewhisker should honestly have known better as senior warriors or pretty much senior warriors. ESPECIALLY Thornclaw like wow. Though I guess you could just sum it up to the arc's overall shitty writing. I don't know why those guys were chosen when there still a bunch of younger cats available they could've thrown and used naivety/ignorance as an excuse. wasnt thornclaw literally abducted as a kit by clawface under brokenstars orders jmwndhfjfjfv
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Post by Chicken on Sept 16, 2021 21:46:57 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2021 21:47:36 GMT -5
YES he was one of the kidnapped kits!
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Sept 16, 2021 21:51:03 GMT -5
i wonder which dark forest cats recruited them then because we dont know what insecurities they used against older cats like thornclaw lol
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Post by cable on Sept 16, 2021 21:53:32 GMT -5
i wonder which dark forest cats recruited them then because we dont know what insecurities they used against older cats like thornclaw lol clawface kidnapped him again to the dark forest and was like just like old times right buddy
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Sept 16, 2021 21:55:38 GMT -5
i wonder which dark forest cats recruited them then because we dont know what insecurities they used against older cats like thornclaw lol clawface kidnapped him again to the dark forest and was like just like old times right buddy sorry to OP for derailing the thread away from birchfall, but what u just said is so funny lmao RIP thornclaw
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2021 21:56:54 GMT -5
Brokenstar: I'll teach you to patrol better Thornclaw:
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Post by Chicken on Sept 16, 2021 22:01:00 GMT -5
clawface kidnapped him again to the dark forest and was like just like old times right buddy sorry to OP for derailing the thread away from birchfall, but what u just said is so funny lmao RIP thornclaw Eh, it's cool, thread derailments often happen when I'm around lol.
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