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Post by Chicken on Sept 20, 2021 16:05:23 GMT -5
until up to the battle and the rockslide terminally injuring both squirrelflight and leafpool and the trial up in starclan, each chapter felt like I was reading through the exact same Junk over and over , and really just shattered my immersion and just gave me a spontaneous Aneurysm every time I opened the book . You perfectly summed up what annoyed me about this book.
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Post by kells on Sept 20, 2021 16:51:48 GMT -5
How can a group be called peaceful if their standard procedure is kidnapping important members of local communities to intimidate the locals into doing whatever they want? The only reason the Sisters are peaceable after the fact is because they recognized they were going to catch an ass-kicking and had badly underestimated the clans, but their initial attitude was incredibly provocative. The Sisters were deliberately going out looking for cats to capture in order to use as leverage, it wasn't a defensive move when they held Leafstar and Squirrelflight prisoner. I do agree though that after the fact, they were quiet. I just think it's wrong to assume this is a moral move on the Sister's part rather than them realizing "Oh crap, we can't bully these guys into submission". They were clearly aggressive in hostage taking When did the Sisters seek out victims to kidnap and for what leverage? They just wanted to be left alone and mind their business in their own group. Squirrelflight and Leafstar wandered straight into their camp, and every Sister was already there. Their kidnapping was entirely on the spot. Moonlight even states it here she was doing it in defense. Being an expecting queen, she was likely trying to eliminate all chances of Clan contact, and even thought no one would find Squirrel or Leaf. Their plan was to kidnap Leaf and Squirrel, finish everything they were doing with none of the Clans ever knowing about anything, and let them go once they've left. No intimidation was at play here.
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Post by vectoring34 on Sept 20, 2021 18:00:27 GMT -5
How can a group be called peaceful if their standard procedure is kidnapping important members of local communities to intimidate the locals into doing whatever they want? The only reason the Sisters are peaceable after the fact is because they recognized they were going to catch an ass-kicking and had badly underestimated the clans, but their initial attitude was incredibly provocative. The Sisters were deliberately going out looking for cats to capture in order to use as leverage, it wasn't a defensive move when they held Leafstar and Squirrelflight prisoner. I do agree though that after the fact, they were quiet. I just think it's wrong to assume this is a moral move on the Sister's part rather than them realizing "Oh crap, we can't bully these guys into submission". They were clearly aggressive in hostage taking When did the Sisters seek out victims to kidnap and for what leverage? They just wanted to be left alone and mind their business in their own group. Squirrelflight and Leafstar wandered straight into their camp, and every Sister was already there. Their kidnapping was entirely on the spot. Moonlight even states it here she was doing it in defense. Being an expecting queen, she was likely trying to eliminate all chances of Clan contact, and even thought no one would find Squirrel or Leaf. Their plan was to kidnap Leaf and Squirrel, finish everything they were doing with none of the Clans ever knowing about anything, and let them go once they've left. No intimidation was at play here. With respect to Moonlight saying it's purely for defensive purposes, I think it's pretty clear that as their kidnapper she has motive to lie about it while capturing them. When Tempest points out later how the clans will obviously come looking for them, Moonlight's response is "Send an important message", now that doesn't sound like she doesn't expect the clans to find out. Quite the contrary, sending a message relies on the clans knowing about it. Combined with Moonlight's earlier statement about how the Sisters have "learned not to invite trouble if we don't have to", and it makes it sound like the type of thing she has done multiple times, which is what makes it seem like they were going out looking for hostages.
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Post by kells on Sept 20, 2021 19:56:31 GMT -5
When did the Sisters seek out victims to kidnap and for what leverage? They just wanted to be left alone and mind their business in their own group. Squirrelflight and Leafstar wandered straight into their camp, and every Sister was already there. Their kidnapping was entirely on the spot. Moonlight even states it here she was doing it in defense. Being an expecting queen, she was likely trying to eliminate all chances of Clan contact, and even thought no one would find Squirrel or Leaf. Their plan was to kidnap Leaf and Squirrel, finish everything they were doing with none of the Clans ever knowing about anything, and let them go once they've left. No intimidation was at play here. With respect to Moonlight saying it's purely for defensive purposes, I think it's pretty clear that as their kidnapper she has motive to lie about it while capturing them. When Tempest points out later how the clans will obviously come looking for them, Moonlight's response is "Send an important message", now that doesn't sound like she doesn't expect the clans to find out. Quite the contrary, sending a message relies on the clans knowing about it. Combined with Moonlight's earlier statement about how the Sisters have "learned not to invite trouble if we don't have to", and it makes it sound like the type of thing she has done multiple times, which is what makes it seem like they were going out looking for hostages. I do agree that the Sisters aren't saints by any means, especially when Moonlight brushed off Tempest's alarm in that first quote. But I don't see this as a manipulative manuvuer at all, but rather Moonlight's pride speaking here. After realizing that Leafstar's cat would very likely find them, this was her way of standing her ground and appearing strong to the Clans, especially since she's become recently aware that said "troublesome" Clans were looking for new territory. The latter half of her statement shows her priority to ensure no one hits them first Honestly, it feels as though the Sisters aren't used to coexisting with big groups, or this might even be their first encounter with one. The amount of naiviety Moonlight's lines hold is big evidence of that. And the Sisters not "seeking trouble" just spiralled into the biggest black hole for making the worst possible decisions in this scenario Also in the context of the of the last quote that was said immediately after this: It sounds even more like Moonlight is trying to be cautious. In her mind, she does not trust the Clans, to the point that even neutral alliances with them were a no-go in case the other four wanted to stir trouble. Her line after this gives me the implication that they once had other methods of handling outsiders that put themselves at risk, and less that they kidnap cats willy nilly
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Post by vectoring34 on Sept 20, 2021 20:17:10 GMT -5
With respect to Moonlight saying it's purely for defensive purposes, I think it's pretty clear that as their kidnapper she has motive to lie about it while capturing them. When Tempest points out later how the clans will obviously come looking for them, Moonlight's response is "Send an important message", now that doesn't sound like she doesn't expect the clans to find out. Quite the contrary, sending a message relies on the clans knowing about it. Combined with Moonlight's earlier statement about how the Sisters have "learned not to invite trouble if we don't have to", and it makes it sound like the type of thing she has done multiple times, which is what makes it seem like they were going out looking for hostages. I do agree that the Sisters aren't saints by any means, especially when Moonlight brushed off Tempest's alarm in that first quote. But I don't see this as a manipulative manuvuer at all, but rather Moonlight's pride speaking here. After realizing that Leafstar's cat would very likely find them, this was her way of standing her ground and appearing strong to the Clans, especially since she's become recently aware that said "troublesome" Clans were looking for new territory. The latter half of her statement shows her priority to ensure no one hits them first Honestly, it feels as though the Sisters aren't used to coexisting with big groups, or this might even be their first encounter with one. The amount of naiviety Moonlight's lines hold is big evidence of that. And the Sisters not "seeking trouble" just spiralled into the biggest black hole for making the worst possible decisions in this scenario Also in the context of the of the last quote that was said immediately after this: It sounds even more like Moonlight is trying to be cautious. In her mind, she does not trust the Clans, to the point that even neutral alliances with them were a no-go in case the other four wanted to stir trouble. Her line after this gives me the implication that they once had other methods of handling outsiders that put themselves at risk, and less that they kidnap cats willy nilly I see, so your interpretation is more that Moonlight is just scrambling mentally and making horrible decisions on the fly rather than this being a deliberately planned thing, and the fact that it looks planned has more to do with her being proud and not wanting to show she made a mistake. Well, that's certainly a fair interpretation of it and given I have been in a similar situation when it comes to the interpretation of Crookedstar's character(how much of the bad decisions was intentional vs ineptitude), I can see the logic. I guess there's no rock-solid answer on it. I just always got a very kind of smug gangster vibe with the way she talked about it. The kind of "now wouldn't it be a shame if your store got into an accident if you don't pay us the protection money" feeling just emanated there. Moonlight's blatant and disrespectful lies to Bramblestar when he comes to rescue them don't help this impression either, making it seem like she's trying to gaslight them. But it's fair to see it the other way too. Still, even if it was just ineptitude, I don't think it's really the act of a peaceable group to have so many bad ideas with their prisoner plan in a row.
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Post by kells on Sept 20, 2021 20:52:54 GMT -5
I do agree that the Sisters aren't saints by any means, especially when Moonlight brushed off Tempest's alarm in that first quote. But I don't see this as a manipulative manuvuer at all, but rather Moonlight's pride speaking here. After realizing that Leafstar's cat would very likely find them, this was her way of standing her ground and appearing strong to the Clans, especially since she's become recently aware that said "troublesome" Clans were looking for new territory. The latter half of her statement shows her priority to ensure no one hits them first Honestly, it feels as though the Sisters aren't used to coexisting with big groups, or this might even be their first encounter with one. The amount of naiviety Moonlight's lines hold is big evidence of that. And the Sisters not "seeking trouble" just spiralled into the biggest black hole for making the worst possible decisions in this scenario Also in the context of the of the last quote that was said immediately after this: It sounds even more like Moonlight is trying to be cautious. In her mind, she does not trust the Clans, to the point that even neutral alliances with them were a no-go in case the other four wanted to stir trouble. Her line after this gives me the implication that they once had other methods of handling outsiders that put themselves at risk, and less that they kidnap cats willy nilly I see, so your interpretation is more that Moonlight is just scrambling mentally and making horrible decisions on the fly rather than this being a deliberately planned thing, and the fact that it looks planned has more to do with her being proud and not wanting to show she made a mistake. Well, that's certainly a fair interpretation of it and given I have been in a similar situation when it comes to the interpretation of Crookedstar's character(how much of the bad decisions was intentional vs ineptitude), I can see the logic. I guess there's no rock-solid answer on it. I just always got a very kind of smug gangster vibe with the way she talked about it. The kind of "now wouldn't it be a shame if your store got into an accident if you don't pay us the protection money" feeling just emanated there. But it's fair to see it the other way too. Still, even if it was just ineptitude, I don't think it's really the act of a peaceable group to have so many bad ideas with their prisoner plan in a row. Yeah you pretty much summed up my interpretation. I don't see the motives the Sisters would have behind planning something so risky, especially against such a huge group of cats. But I'm happy to agree to disagree. The Sisters are indeed shifty, and that one scene with Snow vs Leaf did not make them look any better
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 21, 2021 18:08:06 GMT -5
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 22, 2021 5:32:28 GMT -5
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Post by Moonblazer on Sept 22, 2021 9:18:35 GMT -5
Bumblestripe to an extent. Every single time he tried to have basic communication and to figure out why she dumped him like trash, she refused to be a mature adult and tell him the truth. She chose to be his mate when she obviously never had feelings for him. She chose to never communicate when he offered to start the communication over and over. She willingly dragged him along in an attempt to get over her feelings for Tigerheart, failed to do so, and then proceeded to think cruelly and unfairly compare Bumblestripe to Tigerheart at every waking minute.
I think Bumblestripe was wrong to ask her about a possible future between them during Purdy’s vigil, but he is absolutely not wrong to want to at least know why he was treated like a scratching post. He’s absolutely valid in feeling heartbroken that a cat he thought who loved him like he loved her tossed him aside without a single word as to why and then waltzed into camp with a Shadowclan leader’s kits to tell them she was leaving and never coming back to Thunderclan. The fact that Bumblestripe was even just more worried about her being okay in the end showed me he’s vastly more considerate than Dovewing could ever be.
He deserves better, and I hate the way part of the fandom demonizes him.
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Post by Moonblazer on Sept 22, 2021 9:28:46 GMT -5
God, rereading those scenes makes me dislike Dovewing even more. She’s such an ass, and what a nasty mindset to constantly compare cats like that. Bumblestripe’s literally trying to help her improve an important battle tactic that they all are being told to master, and she’s worried about Tigerheart? The way she bites his head off for him literally saying one word then expecting him to read her damn mind like a psychic is infuriating.
People like this irl are always so nasty and awful and impossible to talk to because they refuse to ever communicate and act like everyone owes them to cater to their thoughts and their thoughts only. God, why did Bumblestripe ever like her, holy hell. The sad thing is the people who defend Dovewing’s crap as if she’s in the right for being a genuinely horrible clanmate and communicator is baffling sometimes. Blugh.
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Post by Chicken on Sept 22, 2021 11:13:17 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't think either are right or wrong in this situation. I feel like they both could have communicated better, but neither of them had any malicious intent, however, Dovewing could have stood to be a bit nicer, and maybe Bumblestripe could have been a bit more patient during the training session, but he had a point. As for the clanmates, I think they should have stopped being irritated at Dovewing for not giving him a shot, and instead told Bumblestripe that she's just not that into him, since Dovewing couldn't communicate her feelings herself. However, that might not have gone over that well either. I think my vote will go for other.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Sept 22, 2021 14:44:47 GMT -5
First of all, ThunderClan should have never gotten involved in the BumbleDove relationship as it was none of their freaking business in the first place.
Second of all, I agree with both Bumblestripe and Dovewing but on seperate occasions. They had bad communication throughout all of their moments together although I still think Dovewing should have just told him to back off as she clearly wasn't interested in him and just preferred Tigerheart. I feel like her not properly rejecting him had to do with their Clanmates interrupting her thoughts on the matter and interfering in their conversations while also trying to influence the relationship.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Sept 22, 2021 15:05:21 GMT -5
bumblestripe has been nothing but kind toward dovewing, and all he gets in return is unfairness. she constantly compares him to tigerheart, and then lashes out at him when he's NOT like tigerheart....like wtf was wrong with dovewing? bumblestripe will always have my support in this situation. he has valid reasons to be upset with her. plus, people misinterpret his attempt to reconnect and offer to talk things out with dovewing about their relationship rekindling.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Sept 22, 2021 17:14:52 GMT -5
I think both cats really sucked in that scene. I'm not on either side tbh.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Sept 22, 2021 20:09:33 GMT -5
Bumblestripe to an extent. Every single time he tried to have basic communication and to figure out why she dumped him like trash, she refused to be a mature adult and tell him the truth. She chose to be his mate when she obviously never had feelings for him. She chose to never communicate when he offered to start the communication over and over. She willingly dragged him along in an attempt to get over her feelings for Tigerheart, failed to do so, and then proceeded to think cruelly and unfairly compare Bumblestripe to Tigerheart at every waking minute. I think Bumblestripe was wrong to ask her about a possible future between them during Purdy’s vigil, but he is absolutely not wrong to want to at least know why he was treated like a scratching post. He’s absolutely valid in feeling heartbroken that a cat he thought who loved him like he loved her tossed him aside without a single word as to why and then waltzed into camp with a Shadowclan leader’s kits to tell them she was leaving and never coming back to Thunderclan. The fact that Bumblestripe was even just more worried about her being okay in the end showed me he’s vastly more considerate than Dovewing could ever be. He deserves better, and I hate the way part of the fandom demonizes him. You’ve Completely read my Mind . Perfectly summarizes my thoughts on the whole ordeal . I mean sure he may have been a little Clingy , and pretty socially Inept , but not some pervertive , manipulative Monster like some people paint him as . And yeah cinderheart, ivypool, Blossomfall and Whitewing should of not interfered .but I doubt they meant anything malicious by it , or that they were intentionally trying to pressurize her into a relationship she didn’t want . And considering the Area of Dovewings Brain devoted to communication is very underdeveloped , and she’s completely incapable of voicing her discomfort , speaking out about her not wanting there interference , or that she didn’t like him, can’t really put them at too much fault . I do agree that bumblestripe should of gave up , and moved on sooner though , Dovewing wasn’t worth the heartache/headache .
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Post by Cloudstorm on Sept 22, 2021 21:04:55 GMT -5
. And the Clan absolutely pushed too hard. Instead of bugging Dove like that, they should've talked to Bumble and explain why Dove wasn't interested so his heart wouldn't break as hard as it did. Yeah , except the Only problem there , is that Dovewing never once OPENLY COMMUNICATED that she wasn’t interested in the first place to anyone . so how could they convey information to bumblestripe that they themselves are lacking ? All we get is a bunch of internal Dialogues of her expressing her displeasure silently to herself , and with bumblestripe not being good at picking up social cues , he probably missed alot of her reactions to begin with . She seriously could of had a short 2 minute conversation and been like ‘yeah, I’m not interested,sorry’ or just “I don’t have feelings for you “ . Anything really , instead of giving him Hope from the beginning , and agreeing to be Mates with him later on , to only Dump him shortly after , like some One-night Fling with no Explanation . Kinda Cruel and heartless .
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Post by scarletflames on Sept 23, 2021 1:54:24 GMT -5
I probably should’ve made my mate vs mate reply about Dove, Tiger and Bumble here lol.
I’m voting Bumblestripe to an extent. While he could have handed his end of DovexBumble more maturely at some parts of OOTS, I feel much more lenient towards him than Dovewing relationship and communication wise. For a long time he didn’t even know about Tigerfart, and even if he wasn’t right for Dove I got the impression he truly loved her. I also got the impression Dovewing basically tried to use him to get over Tigerfart, which wasn’t fair to Bumble.
While him getting short with Dovewing while she was trying to apologize might not have been the nicest response, Dovewing had been using him as a scratching post and her inner monologue during that training session felt really unfair, petty and even a little mean spirited. And I suspect if Tigerfart was there he would have made Dovewing do the exercise, and I doubt her inner monologue would have been as nasty if it was her precious Tigerfart trying to help her with the exercises. And since she was constantly short with Bumble, while two wrongs don’t make a right, I don’t feel sorry for her Bumblestripe couldn’t take it anymore and (harshly) set a boundary and wasn’t going to accept a simple “sorry” after how snappish Dovewing was.
I’ll admit Bumblestripe saying Dovewing “wasn’t the cat he thought she was” might’ve been harsh, but I couldn’t bring myself to feel sympathy for Dovewing after she used Bumblestripe and the poor guy was really hurt because unlike Dovewing, his feelings for her were real and he didn’t even know about Tigerfart at first.
Although it pissed me off Bumblestripe and Dovewing got back together after TLH, it felt like that completely un-did Bumble’s character development of being able to leave Dovewing. I was so upset they didn’t stay apart! After the way Dove treated him, the fact he mooned after her after TLH knowing she hadn’t gotten over Tigerfart bothered me.
I hear in AVOS they butcher him more to make Tigerfart look like the better mate, which really bugs me.
I understand why people might not like Bumblestripe, and I’ll acknowledge he wasn’t perfect in the relationship, I just felt a ton of sympathy for him in OOTS. I don’t know if this’ll change when I get caught up. But so far with Bumblestripe and Dovewing, I’m pretty much on Bumblestripe’s side because of how immature Dovewing was to him.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 26, 2021 13:12:04 GMT -5
Still going to take that break (for specifics, look at my thread on OTD), just wanted to update my polls before then.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Sept 26, 2021 13:17:52 GMT -5
hope u're doing well, cinder.
i voted for scorchfur to an extent. looking at things from scorchfur's pov, he's acting irrationally due to stress. even so, i still side with him because tawny and rowan sucked in AVOS
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 26, 2021 13:40:04 GMT -5
hope u're doing well, cinder. Thank you.
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Post by 𝙵𝚎𝚛𝚛𝚎𝚝𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚙 on Sept 26, 2021 13:53:14 GMT -5
I literally read the title as “Scorchfur vs. Otters” and I was so confused lol
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Post by Chicken on Sept 26, 2021 14:14:27 GMT -5
This is a hard one, I feel like Tawnypelt did nothing wrong, except when she slapped Scorchfur, but I can understand her reasoning. I can see where Leafstar could be seen as wrong, for refusing to let a pregnant queen stay, but Yarrowleaf made her bed, and Leafstar doesn't owe her anything, however, I can't blame Scorchfur for being upset about it. I can't blame him for being upset about any of it, and I can't even blame him for not listening to Tawnypelt, it's really difficult to take orders from someone once you lose respect for them. However, I do think he might have gone too far in his Rowan-bashing, I understand that he was angry, and that not everyone thinks before they act, but I can't sasy that he was 100% in the right. I'm honestly at a loss as to who to vote for. I appreciate you taking the time and energy to update these with everything you're going through.
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Post by Moonblazer on Sept 26, 2021 14:30:09 GMT -5
Scorchfur’s an awful piece of garbage, so I have 0 agreement with how he handles anything. In these scenarios, I agree more with Leafstar and Tawnypelt more than anything, though I honestly just think that Rowanstar is wrongfully overhated and never given a single chance to even try to rebuild the clan with nothing he ever does will ever be good enough for Scorchfur’s entitled ass.
So Tawnypelt, and then Leafstar for me, even though everyone was wrong depending on the situation.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Sept 26, 2021 15:07:48 GMT -5
I voted for the Other option.
They were all wrong in different situations but Scorchfur was the one who took it too far when provoking Tawnypelt into a fight and constantly bashing Rowanstar without realizing his own role in the temporary downfall of ShadowClan.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Sept 26, 2021 17:22:13 GMT -5
Leafstar and Tawnypelt. I understand why Scorchfur was so upset, but he took it too far when he started to provoke a fight.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 5, 2021 16:01:35 GMT -5
Next one up!
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Oct 5, 2021 16:23:19 GMT -5
Yes to an extent. But I feel like they could have at least helped Rowanstar somehow instead of abandoning him to become rouges.
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Post by cable on Oct 5, 2021 16:50:12 GMT -5
i cant even bring myself to sympathize with them. like boohoo we're not murdering people anymore. woe is us, somebody called me a frog-eater and i couldnt even physically assault them for it. i know, we should join a rogue and drive out our leader, then stop following the warrior code. shadowclan cant be a bunch of softies if shadowclan basically doesnt even exist anymore. genius.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Oct 5, 2021 17:36:19 GMT -5
No, they did not have a point. Them wanting to go back to how ShadowClan was when being feared by the other Clans while under the rule of Brokenstar or Tigerstar I would have lead to unnecessary battle and bloodshed. But I also still don't understand why Rowanstar was suddenly such a weak leader in AVoS even though he was doing fine previously in Bramblestar's SE. I'm not saying he handled things well but rather how hopeless his leadership became in order to hype up his son Tigerstar II instead. It just doesn't seem very fair to him as a character.
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