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Post by Aqua on Sept 16, 2021 8:37:53 GMT -5
I'm reading SqH, and Squirrelflight was pretty happy living the simple life of the Sisters when she was unhappy with the clans. Do you think she would have been happier with them, or with the clans?
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Sept 16, 2021 8:40:59 GMT -5
Although I want Squirrelfight to be in the Clans, I'll admit she may be happier living with the Sisters.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Sept 16, 2021 8:53:38 GMT -5
Depends. Considering the Sisters treat their sons and mates like trash, Squirrel might fit up that alley, lol. Also yes, that was a joke. But in all seriousness, no I don't think she'd be happy with the Sisters simply because of how sexist they are.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Sept 16, 2021 8:54:34 GMT -5
The Clans. Squirrelflight might have thought about living with The Sisters but she would have been unhappy in not being able to be around her kits and not let her sons visit in the Sisters changing camps due to their sexist rules against toms.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Sept 16, 2021 9:10:52 GMT -5
Depends. Considering the Sisters treat their sons and mates like trash, Squirrel might fit up that alley, lol. Actually, Squirrelflight treats her daughter worse than she treats her son, lol. And if today is your birthday, then happy birthday, Maplefrost!
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Sept 16, 2021 9:13:47 GMT -5
Depends. Considering the Sisters treat their sons and mates like trash, Squirrel might fit up that alley, lol. Actually, Squirrelflight treats her daughter worse than she treats her son, lol. And if today is your birthday, then happy birthday, Maplefrost! Thank you! And yeah hoenstly? She lied to the three, then later used her daughter to lie to her husband, she doesn't have some good moments. But in all seriousness I don't think she'd be happy with the Sisters simply because of how sexists they are. I highly doubt she'd be okay with doing a one-night stand with a tom and later abandoning any tom kits she has in the middle of the night.
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Post by vectoring34 on Sept 16, 2021 10:36:54 GMT -5
I think Squirrelflight would be fine living with them except that her family is elsewhere, and that's too much of a sticking point for her to leave. If they all spontaneously died or something, I'm sure she'd have no problem going with them and iving yet another kid massive issues.
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Sept 16, 2021 10:40:44 GMT -5
She seemed a bit happier when the sisters were around, I'd think it might be best for her to go with the sisters if bramblestar dies
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Post by Rainfire on Sept 16, 2021 11:43:13 GMT -5
I think she'd have fun living with the Sisters for awhile, but she'd ultimately end up unsatisfied with them, especially because of the way they treat toms.
I think one of the main reasons she thought so highly/longingly of their group in the first place was just because of her own personal issues that she had going on with the clans and Bramblestar at that moment.
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Post by Chicken on Sept 16, 2021 12:10:42 GMT -5
If it got her out of the series, then I'd happily send her off to live with The Sisters, but with how much they keep cropping up, that might not happen lol. I feel like she'd eventually grow bored of living with The Sisters, so I guess it'd be best for her to stay in the clans. Also, happy birthday ❅Maplefrost❅, I hope it's a great one!
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Post by Katanaheart on Sept 16, 2021 12:32:22 GMT -5
She seemed to greatly enjoy living with the Sisters over her Clan. I also think she would get used to sending the toms away over time. (Cultural thing and all the other toms we have seen, seemed fine sans Tree, who was sent away too young.)
So I can see Squirrelflight coming to terms and accepting that as well as enjoying being a part of the Sisters. (I don’t see her having anymore kits though since she doesn’t seem like the type to have a one-night stand and go.)
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Sept 16, 2021 14:11:42 GMT -5
she didnt care about the clans, so why not join the sisters? she was disloyal to her leader, her clan, the other clans, etc. if she supported the sisters and betrayed her clan so much for them, then why not join them then /s
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2021 14:12:41 GMT -5
she didnt care about the clans, so why not join the sisters? she was disloyal to her leader, her clan, the other clans, etc. if she supported the sisters and betrayed her clan so much for them, then why not join them then /s maybe firestar should’ve just joined windclan if he was so willing to betray his leader and clan for them
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Post by Chicken on Sept 16, 2021 14:27:27 GMT -5
she didnt care about the clans, so why not join the sisters? she was disloyal to her leader, her clan, the other clans, etc. if she supported the sisters and betrayed her clan so much for them, then why not join them then /s maybe firestar should’ve just joined windclan if he was so willing to betray his leader and clan for them That's not the same, WindClan is a fellow clan, The Sisters are an outside group who the clans have no loyalties to.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Sept 16, 2021 14:32:20 GMT -5
maybe firestar should’ve just joined windclan if he was so willing to betray his leader and clan for them That's not the same, WindClan is a fellow clan, The Sisters are an outside group who the clans have no loyalties to. yeah thats what i was thinking too. plus, someone else (i forget who or where) said the clans had a hard time trusting the sisters because of the kin, so like why should they be obligated to help when they threaten to take a clan's land or whatever...?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2021 14:35:09 GMT -5
maybe firestar should’ve just joined windclan if he was so willing to betray his leader and clan for them That's not the same, WindClan is a fellow clan, The Sisters are an outside group who the clans have no loyalties to. I don’t know how to explain to you that that shouldn’t matter? the sisters are a group of cats that, over the course of squirrelflight’s hope, squirrelflight comes to understand are trustworthy. the hesitation of the clans to trust outsiders isn’t a positive trait and is not one that we as readers should accept info our own views? it is, in this situation, the moral thing to help the sisters, and squirrelflight is doing a good thing by disobeying her leader to help the innocent. the sentiment of “outsiders bad and untrustworthy” has repeatedly been shown to be morally bad in the series, it’s a sentiment usually reserved for villains or the token “clan jerk”.
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Post by Chicken on Sept 16, 2021 14:36:34 GMT -5
That's not the same, WindClan is a fellow clan, The Sisters are an outside group who the clans have no loyalties to. I don’t know how to explain to you that that shouldn’t matter? the sisters are a group of cats that, over the course of squirrelflight’s hope, squirrelflight comes to understand are trustworthy. the hesitation of the clans to trust outsiders isn’t a positive trait and is not one that we as readers should accept info our own views? it is, in this situation, the moral thing to help the sisters, and squirrelflight is doing a good thing by disobeying her leader to help the innocent. the sentiment of “outsiders bad and untrustworthy” has repeatedly been shown to be morally bad in the series, it’s a sentiment usually reserved for villains or the token “clan jerk”. That's fair, but I don't understand how the two situations are comparable, because they aren't.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Sept 16, 2021 14:41:35 GMT -5
I don’t know how to explain to you that that shouldn’t matter? the sisters are a group of cats that, over the course of squirrelflight’s hope, squirrelflight comes to understand are trustworthy. the hesitation of the clans to trust outsiders isn’t a positive trait and is not one that we as readers should accept info our own views? it is, in this situation, the moral thing to help the sisters, and squirrelflight is doing a good thing by disobeying her leader to help the innocent. the sentiment of “outsiders bad and untrustworthy” has repeatedly been shown to be morally bad in the series, it’s a sentiment usually reserved for villains or the token “clan jerk”. That's fair, but I don't understand how the two situations are comparable, because they aren't. They're not comparable in the least. Especially since the first instance the clans have of the Sisters is literally them taking a Clan leader and deputy prisoner, and injuring one of them in the process. They were going to be kept there even longer if not for reinforcements showing up. And even outside of that they were shown getting into fights with patrols when they trespassed despite being aware of the clan's presence at that point. The Clans have no obligation to a bunch of hostile rogues over their other fellow clans who live by the same code and oath as them. (Also thanks for the B-day wish <3)
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Post by Chicken on Sept 16, 2021 14:43:13 GMT -5
That's fair, but I don't understand how the two situations are comparable, because they aren't. They're not comparable in the least. Especially since the first instance the clans have of the Sisters is literally them taking a Clan leader and deputy prisoner, and injuring one of them in the process. They were going to be kept there even longer if not for reinforcements showing up. And even outside of that they were shown getting into fights with patrols when they trespassed despite being aware of the clan's presence at that point. The Clans have no obligation to a bunch of hostile rogues over their other fellow clans who live by the same code and oath as them. (Also thanks for the B-day wish <3) You're welcome! <3 You're right, I also don't remember when Firestar ever betrayed his clan and leader in favor of WindClan, it might have happened, but I don't remember it.
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Post by vectoring34 on Sept 16, 2021 14:54:12 GMT -5
If Tallstar had kidnapped Crookedstar and Fireheart, confined them to a nest, beaten up and wounded Crookedstar when he tried to leave, and then cheerfully said that their safety was only assured so long as the other clans complied with their demands, THEN the comparison between them and the Sisters would be accurate.
That is clearly not what happened though and it's not a good comparison.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2021 15:07:02 GMT -5
If Tallstar had kidnapped Crookedstar and Fireheart, confined them to a nest, beaten up and wounded Crookedstar when he tried to leave, and then cheerfully said that their safety was only assured so long as the other clans complied with their demands, THEN the comparison between them and the Sisters would be accurate. That is clearly not what happened though and it's not a good comparison. the point that was initially being made was that squirrelflight had somehow betrayed her clan and leader by going behind their backs to do what was right. my counterpoint was that firestar had done the same thing in the first book. I’m not here to say that the sisters are perfect or even good, far from it! I’m just saying that squirrelflight was doing what was right in preventing her leader from doing something she knew was immoral (attacking a group of rogues that they severely outnumbered, who had a pregnant leader, and doing so even though the rogues promised to leave very soon)I don’t see squirrelflight as taking sides in this, she was simply doing what she could to avoid unnecessary conflict
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Post by vectoring34 on Sept 16, 2021 15:12:32 GMT -5
If Tallstar had kidnapped Crookedstar and Fireheart, confined them to a nest, beaten up and wounded Crookedstar when he tried to leave, and then cheerfully said that their safety was only assured so long as the other clans complied with their demands, THEN the comparison between them and the Sisters would be accurate. That is clearly not what happened though and it's not a good comparison. the point that was initially being made was that squirrelflight had somehow betrayed her clan and leader by going behind their backs to do what was right. my counterpoint was that firestar had done the same thing in the first book. I’m not here to say that the sisters are perfect or even good, far from it! I’m just saying that squirrelflight was doing what was right in preventing her leader from doing something she knew was immoral (attacking a group of rogues that they severely outnumbered, who had a pregnant leader, and doing so even though the rogues promised to leave very soon)I don’t see squirrelflight as taking sides in this, she was simply doing what she could to avoid unnecessary conflict I think when people talk about Squirrelflight going behind people's backs, it's not about the end of the book. They're talking about the beginning when she went out on her expedition and went and got herself and Leafstar kidnapped.
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Post by Aqua on Sept 16, 2021 19:00:21 GMT -5
If Tallstar had kidnapped Crookedstar and Fireheart, confined them to a nest, beaten up and wounded Crookedstar when he tried to leave, and then cheerfully said that their safety was only assured so long as the other clans complied with their demands, THEN the comparison between them and the Sisters would be accurate. That is clearly not what happened though and it's not a good comparison. the point that was initially being made was that squirrelflight had somehow betrayed her clan and leader by going behind their backs to do what was right. my counterpoint was that firestar had done the same thing in the first book. I’m not here to say that the sisters are perfect or even good, far from it! I’m just saying that squirrelflight was doing what was right in preventing her leader from doing something she knew was immoral (attacking a group of rogues that they severely outnumbered, who had a pregnant leader, and doing so even though the rogues promised to leave very soon)I don’t see squirrelflight as taking sides in this, she was simply doing what she could to avoid unnecessary conflict Here's the thing though. Her actions put Bramblestar into a lot of unnecessary pressure and her clan was angry at her for being dishonest. She made her own daughter LIE to her clan leader because she knew he'd be mad at her. If a SkyClan leader had to call her out for her behavior, that's pretty sad. All the clans got involved and the Sisters because Squirrelflight wanted to do things her way. I understand that she was preventing a battle, but this was a huge problem that she got her own clan involved into. It wasn't even ThunderClan's business to begin with, it was SkyClan and ShadowClan's problem. Again, I get she genuinely believed she was doing the right thing, but she WAS disloyal to her clan for siding with the Sisters, warning them about attacks,and doing things behind her leader's back. Bramblestar simply wanted his clan safe. That doesn't make him a bad cat at all. He got mad at her because she put many of her Clanmates and himself into a position that wasn't her business to begin with, hence why he gets mad at her for not talking to him first. I don't blame him or ThunderClan for questioning Squirrelflight's loyalty. She was becoming very close to the sisters for a while and betrayed the clans to them.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Sept 16, 2021 19:18:16 GMT -5
No. At the end of the day, she'd miss her family too much to ever stay forever with the Sisters.
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