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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 13, 2021 10:45:21 GMT -5
Now that LH is out, what are your thoughts on her?
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Post by vectoring34 on Sept 13, 2021 11:15:11 GMT -5
Takes the worst non-villain leader prize by a country mile. The fact that the prophecy ends up referring to her saving the clan from HERSELF makes that pretty clear, doesn't it?
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Sept 13, 2021 11:47:11 GMT -5
I hate her just as much as I did before, maybe more. She's a terrible leader. The only good thing about it was that we got to know cats like Sunfish, Frogleap, and Mosspelt - who are wonderful.
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Post by Hollyfall on Sept 13, 2021 11:55:28 GMT -5
She's certainly more of an interesting character to me, but I still strongly dislike her. I did enjoy her relationships with a lot of the supporting characters like Whitefang, Whiteclaw, Sunfish, Frogleap, and Mosspelt though.
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Post by Chicken on Sept 13, 2021 11:57:26 GMT -5
I haven't read the book yet, and I probably won't, but from the spoilers, I still don't like her. Her reasoning was pretty much the same as Mudclaw's but she also had that prophecy thing thrown in, and they wrote her to be way more sympathetic which was kind of annoying IMO. She's basically a less likable Mudclaw with a sympathy factor.
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Post by Moonblazer on Sept 13, 2021 12:00:00 GMT -5
I like her more now. The SE sounds super interesting and I love her characterization. Unpopular opinion but this SE might become one of my favorites.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Sept 13, 2021 12:11:53 GMT -5
I like how complex she is, it's nice to finally see a darker point of view in Super Editions for once. And I'm glad the books didn't sugarcoat how she behaved in the past, but at least showed how she ended up the way she did. I'm also glad the book clarified certain things, especially where she stood morally. I think because of how she developed later in life she's definitely much more redeemable, so I still don't think she's the worst leader, that title goes to a much more obvious choice.
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Post by vectoring34 on Sept 13, 2021 12:25:22 GMT -5
I like how complex she is, it's nice to finally see a darker point of view in Super Editions for once. And I'm glad the books didn't sugarcoat how she behaved in the past, but at least showed how she ended up the way she did. I'm also glad the book clarified certain things, especially where she stood morally. I think because of how she developed later in life she's definitely much more redeemable, so I still don't think she's the worst leader, that title goes to a much more obvious choice. The book didn't sugarcoat most of it but it did throw in one huge detail which makes her look far more noble. Namely, when Firestar comes to talk about Bloodclan, Leopardstar is already willing to join up with him and fight against Bloodclan. If you read TPB, however, then she was so scared at that point that she was ready to flee and had no plan to save the elders and kits of the clan beyond just hoping they could keep up as they fled. The difference between a Leopardstar who made all of her mistakes and wanted to atone as in the SE vs one who made all those mistakes and was planning to run away with her tail between her legs until someone argued her down is not insubstantial.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Sept 13, 2021 12:46:26 GMT -5
I like how complex she is, it's nice to finally see a darker point of view in Super Editions for once. And I'm glad the books didn't sugarcoat how she behaved in the past, but at least showed how she ended up the way she did. I'm also glad the book clarified certain things, especially where she stood morally. I think because of how she developed later in life she's definitely much more redeemable, so I still don't think she's the worst leader, that title goes to a much more obvious choice. The book didn't sugarcoat most of it but it did throw in one huge detail which makes her look far more noble. Namely, when Firestar comes to talk about Bloodclan, Leopardstar is already willing to join up with him and fight against Bloodclan. If you read TPB, however, then she was so scared at that point that she was ready to flee and had no plan to save the elders and kits of the clan beyond just hoping they could keep up as they fled. The difference between a Leopardstar who made all of her mistakes and wanted to atone as in the SE vs one who made all those mistakes and was planning to run away with her tail between her legs until someone argued her down is not insubstantial. I mean her being afraid is normal though. I'm sure plenty of other cats were afraid too, especially since Scourge already displayed just how powerful he was by killing a cat like Tigerstar in front of all of them. And on top of that she already, unfortunately, had the experience of meeting Scourge prior and she wasn't fond of him then either. So I think her still being willing to want to help fight against them, but also still being afraid like other cats were, is fine. In fact, I guess I'd be more surprised if there weren't any cats afraid when all of this was going down. If Scourge can kill a cat as powerful as Tigerstar, who also had 9 lives, anyone was on the cutting board during that battle. Including Leopardstar. Her fearing for herself and her clan in a battle they might lose is understandable.
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Post by leopardclan on Sept 13, 2021 12:50:01 GMT -5
She's been my favorite character in Warriors for a long time and that hasn't changed. The book definitely isn't the best (I would have much preferred if they did one of those 3 part comics like they used to do) but they stuck to her character very well which makes me happy. Only thing that actually upset me at all was adding a romantic interest, just doesn't feel in character to me. Glad they didn't stay together at least that would have been wild.
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Post by vectoring34 on Sept 13, 2021 14:29:15 GMT -5
The book didn't sugarcoat most of it but it did throw in one huge detail which makes her look far more noble. Namely, when Firestar comes to talk about Bloodclan, Leopardstar is already willing to join up with him and fight against Bloodclan. If you read TPB, however, then she was so scared at that point that she was ready to flee and had no plan to save the elders and kits of the clan beyond just hoping they could keep up as they fled. The difference between a Leopardstar who made all of her mistakes and wanted to atone as in the SE vs one who made all those mistakes and was planning to run away with her tail between her legs until someone argued her down is not insubstantial. I mean her being afraid is normal though. I'm sure plenty of other cats were afraid too, especially since Scourge already displayed just how powerful he was by killing a cat like Tigerstar in front of all of them. And on top of that she already, unfortunately, had the experience of meeting Scourge prior and she wasn't fond of him then either. So I think her still being willing to want to help fight against them, but also still being afraid like other cats were, is fine. In fact, I guess I'd be more surprised if there weren't any cats afraid when all of this was going down. If Scourge can kill a cat as powerful as Tigerstar, who also had 9 lives, anyone was on the cutting board during that battle. Including Leopardstar. Her fearing for herself and her clan in a battle they might lose is understandable. Fear is one thing, but the difference painted here is that in the SE, Leopardstar is fearful of Scourge but also is ready and willing to join with Firestar before he speaks to her. She has had enough running from her problems and is finally ready, through her own self introspection, to face her fears head-on. One can understand here that she has realized the error of her ways and while afraid, she will fight. The version in TPB has the same fear but she isn't willing to confront it. She wanted to run from it instead and was willing to throw elders under the bus in that rout. She is a passive figure who needs to be swayed by Firestar into fighting and didn't have the courage to even consider that option by herself. Presence of fear is not the difference between the two versions, it's her response to it. One of them is ready to fight; the other is just going to run. At least to me, this is a very large difference in terms of morality as a leader with the SE giving her a little bit of polish. I will say though that the SE also takes away some polish in that it is Blackfoot who demolishes the Bone Hill first while she sits there feeling sorry for herself, so it is some definite and take.
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Aroace
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𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑
Villain Enjoyer
Taking a break from the forums because my cat died. Will probably be back mid to late October.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Sept 13, 2021 14:41:40 GMT -5
I'm still neutral on Leopardstar. She was horrible in TPB, alright in the first half of TNP but went back on her word of helping Stormfur (again) in the second half of it, fine in the first half of PoT but then not so much in the second half of it (once again) and finally was okay in her last two books being alive during OotS (cutting he some slack in the "it's my lake" situation because she was clearly not in a healthy body or mind by then and died in the next book). When it comes to content outside of the main seres she's kind of a mixed bag too as I liked how she got portayed in ASiR but thought that there were definitely some added on cruel moments in her own SE.
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Asexual
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Ṣanɗypaw™
The Shiny User
🎵Guess that's just the way it goes, easy come, easy go🎵
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Sept 13, 2021 17:20:35 GMT -5
I still don't like Leopardstar's personality but I'm glad that her character was made more interesting.
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Post by Rainsplash on Sept 13, 2021 18:54:38 GMT -5
In the main arcs she's horrible, I strongly dislike her. But on her SE I kind of liked her and her relationship with others (Sunfish and Frogleap were so precious I love them).
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Sept 14, 2021 3:43:40 GMT -5
I mean her being afraid is normal though. I'm sure plenty of other cats were afraid too, especially since Scourge already displayed just how powerful he was by killing a cat like Tigerstar in front of all of them. And on top of that she already, unfortunately, had the experience of meeting Scourge prior and she wasn't fond of him then either. So I think her still being willing to want to help fight against them, but also still being afraid like other cats were, is fine. In fact, I guess I'd be more surprised if there weren't any cats afraid when all of this was going down. If Scourge can kill a cat as powerful as Tigerstar, who also had 9 lives, anyone was on the cutting board during that battle. Including Leopardstar. Her fearing for herself and her clan in a battle they might lose is understandable. Fear is one thing, but the difference painted here is that in the SE, Leopardstar is fearful of Scourge but also is ready and willing to join with Firestar before he speaks to her. She has had enough running from her problems and is finally ready, through her own self introspection, to face her fears head-on. One can understand here that she has realized the error of her ways and while afraid, she will fight. The version in TPB has the same fear but she isn't willing to confront it. She wanted to run from it instead and was willing to throw elders under the bus in that rout. She is a passive figure who needs to be swayed by Firestar into fighting and didn't have the courage to even consider that option by herself. Presence of fear is not the difference between the two versions, it's her response to it. One of them is ready to fight; the other is just going to run. At least to me, this is a very large difference in terms of morality as a leader with the SE giving her a little bit of polish. I will say though that the SE also takes away some polish in that it is Blackfoot who demolishes the Bone Hill first while she sits there feeling sorry for herself, so it is some definite and take. Imo I don't really see a big deal, it's not much of a difference to me so I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree? To me they're the same character, and her fear is understandable, so it's not much of a problem to me.
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